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LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Feb 10 2009 00:09. Posts 15163
Thats it, I am done with NL2 and I don't know why anyone who knows the basics should play it on iPoker, no matter what BR he has

1) The Minimum Buy-in of $1 makes prudent Shortstack theory worthless. 100 BB all the time is simply too much. $2 is a must when catching an occasional fish, but BR doesn't allow me to go higher.

2) The ridiculous 10s counter encourages multitabling. Which increases delays between rounds even more, forcing me to 8table after 5 days of poker to get some action here and there.

3) The 50 BB min and many people coming with $5 (max allowed on all NL2 tables on iPoker) cripples the windfall from stealing blinds, and because of the ridiculous amount of multitablers it takes ages to find a fish that calls by 3Bets with lower cards.

4) The motivation plummets - 100 BB's, loong loong games or rock multitablers make it a fishing expedition which is very hard. I am forced to multitable, don't pay attention to tables and can't squeeze PT stats into the small windows.

I am moving up to NL4, even with my $13 BR on VCPoker.
NL2 showed me hands value and some basoc tricks, but many rules of poker and strategies for almost any different stake are not applicable there. Time to play some real poker now and get my $1 buy-ins worh it

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93% Sure! Last edit: 10/02/2009 00:12

Bejamin1   Canada. Feb 10 2009 00:13. Posts 7042

I can't really tell if this is a serious post or a level? There should be no lack of fish at NL2

Sorry dude he Jason Bourned me. -Johnny DramaLast edit: 10/02/2009 00:17

LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Feb 10 2009 00:21. Posts 15163

I can find them, but it takes loong loong time to actually get some action from them on iPoker. Especially with my beginner's tight strategy.
And at least 30% of players are multitablers who play mechanically, although with leaks, but they are hard to exploit because I am forced to multitable myself to avoid complete boredom (trust me, usually I play 7 tables with 3+ people on all of them usually).

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BalloonFight   United States. Feb 10 2009 00:23. Posts 1380

Switch to stars, play nl2. Win. Move up to nl5.


LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Feb 10 2009 00:34. Posts 15163

Yeah as soon as I unlock my $100 bonus I am gone. The counter, buy-in levels and many bugs I encountered with CDpoker make it weird. And Btw NL4 is so much easier to pwn on iPoker for me its not even funny. On NL2 finding a loose fish and take the whole stack is so much harder than on NL4, where their stack is 'involved' after first 3bets.
Maybe its the free $50, maybe something else, but I have much easier time on NL4.

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edzwoo   United States. Feb 10 2009 01:20. Posts 5911

I taught two of my friends how to beat NL2 simply by playing specific hands and pot pot shoving anytime they got a piece of their premiums.

If you're struggling at NL2, then it is 100% sure your game has a leak. You should post some stats and we can probably go from there.


Uptown   . Feb 10 2009 01:27. Posts 3557

Moving up is surely a mistake.

Half Pot! 

terrybunny19240   United States. Feb 10 2009 01:41. Posts 13829

i lol'd

listen to these other people


SugoGosu   Korea (South). Feb 10 2009 01:45. Posts 1793

The micro stake games ($5 - $25 buy-ins) are extremely easy to understand how to win profitably at. Unlike the higher stakes, you will very rarely play with an opponent who knows how to play well. All you need to know is hand ranges, bet sizing. At the micro stakes, very few people actually understand the basics of the game. Almost every time you hit a strong hand, you will want to get your money into the pot, as many people will give you their money with mediocre hands.

At the microstakes there will be many people who play up to 40% or more of their hands, and pray for any type of pair or supercombo. Once they do hit a pair, they will believe they have the best hand and may raise with a pair of kings with a very bad kicker, such as a 5. The best and most profitable way to win at these stakes is to play tight preflop, playing the best hands, and then play your hands very aggressively.

Say this outloud! Why was six afraid of seven?......Because Seven Eight NineLast edit: 10/02/2009 01:46

DoomsdayVic   New Zealand. Feb 10 2009 01:45. Posts 159

I've already made the mistake of moving up without the BR for it when i first started. I strongly recommend you don't move up. If NL4 is as easy as you say then you just hope you dont go bust from the variance..


joLin   United States. Feb 10 2009 01:51. Posts 3818

"i cant beat this limit so im moving to a higher one"

YoUr_KiLLeR @ TL 

Baalim   Mexico. Feb 10 2009 02:12. Posts 34305


  On February 10 2009 00:51 YoUr_KiLLeR wrote:
"i cant beat this limit so im moving to a higher one"

Ex-PokerStars Team Pro Online 

lazymej   Canada. Feb 10 2009 02:49. Posts 2897

sorry but rofl.

you have a lot to learn.


fenner   Australia. Feb 10 2009 02:49. Posts 2188

Move up where there are more fish

 Last edit: 10/02/2009 02:50

Ftrunkz   Australia. Feb 10 2009 02:53. Posts 384

dude, wtf is with your first post bitching about 100bb play... what exactly is your point? ^_~~~

the bigger the stacks relative to the blinds, the higher the edge should be for the more competant player, however it sounds like you hate NL2 because you have to buy in for atleast 50bb. Unless im reading this completely wrong...

Either way, being able to buy in 250bb deep at NL2 definitely isnt a bad thing since you can just stack the loose fish for even more money when u do get a good hand vs the mediocre ones they're willing to get it in with. And the fact that people cant buy in for <50bb means that you actually get room to play postflop.

As everyone else here has said, moving up stakes with 300bb's for the next lvl is utterly, utterly stupid. Stay a NL2, considering your roll just buy in for $2 (100bb, which is the standard BI for all levels >NL5) and learn from the hands you play. If you're having trouble post some stats + hands you've played and get some help.

edit: btw, every single post supporting your opinion, including the one above me, is totally sarchastic with good reason. What makes you think NL4 is filled with easier people to play than NL2 exactly...

y x x a x x x rb x x rb x x yLast edit: 10/02/2009 02:55

YoMeR   United States. Feb 10 2009 04:25. Posts 12438

i like 10000 bb play

eZ Life. 

Kanin   United Kingdom. Feb 10 2009 05:47. Posts 19

I'm also having surprising trouble with this limit. I'm approaching 10k hands on stars and I'm down $5 over all. I'm not trying to play fancy at all. I'm playing standard tight/aggresive robotic micro stakes play.I regularly get close to 2 extra buyins but I keep losing it all with a top set (I think I'm giving them too much credit, I don't expect them to call a pot raise on a flush draw, but they do! ) I don't mind that really because in the long run I should win against it, but I'm finding the biggest problem is actually getting these people to put their money in the pot in the first place. Even when I choose high flop % tables they're still reluctant to call my 3 bets/flop pot bets (unless they're on a flush draw, these people sure love their flushes!)

Ah well, that's poker, gotta get used to it Still gotta make 150 dollars before I can move up a limit so I'll be here a while


fenner   Australia. Feb 10 2009 05:51. Posts 2188


  On February 10 2009 04:47 Kanin wrote:
I'm also having surprising trouble with this limit. I'm approaching 10k hands on stars and I'm down $5 over all. I'm not trying to play fancy at all. I'm playing standard tight/aggresive robotic micro stakes play.I regularly get close to 2 extra buyins but I keep losing it all with a top set (I think I'm giving them too much credit, I don't expect them to call a pot raise on a flush draw, but they do! ) I don't mind that really because in the long run I should win against it, but I'm finding the biggest problem is actually getting these people to put their money in the pot in the first place. Even when I choose high flop % tables they're still reluctant to call my 3 bets/flop pot bets (unless they're on a flush draw, these people sure love their flushes!)

Ah well, that's poker, gotta get used to it Still gotta make 150 dollars before I can move up a limit so I'll be here a while



why 150 at nl2, buyin for $5 at nl5 and use 20bi rule


wolfheart   Estonia. Feb 10 2009 06:01. Posts 7592

if u cant find fish then u are fish ...

Never give up. 

LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Feb 10 2009 08:34. Posts 15163

I CAN find fishes easily lol.

Its just that on NL2 when I 3Bet PF almost everyone folds. Yes, you have around 2-3 really dumb people at a table, but also 2-3 multitablers who play mechanically. So I have to wait my turn when I hit my 14% PF cards,
hope that the multitablers don't have better and reraise me, hope that those dummies got A10 or simmilar and call me.

People don't respect their blinds on NL2 on iPoker, and I hit the all-stack max twice per session. (and I buy in for $2 to avoid playing with my BR mgmt) Although profitable, its a loong adventure and a loss of time. The forced multitabling doesn't allow me to focus on my game which needs a lot of improvement.


Sure I got leaks, as I posted earlier I am an idiot with One pair play and I put a massive red post-it on my screen 1 PAIR = FOLD, but in order to improve I need to start actually playing.
My 3Bets are called like 20% on NL2.

And to how I play:

$2 Buy-in
AA,KK,QQ 4BB+X
AK Aks 5BB+x
JJ, TT LP= 3BB+x, EP= call
99-22 Call 2BB Max, 3+ Inpot call 5BB max
AQ LP=Raise EP= Call/ fold a non-minimum raise
AJs Call MD-LP
Axs Call 1BB mid-late position, 2+ In pot call up to 2BB, increase if more
7/10s J10s Qks JQs 3+ Inpot call max 3BB


This is hoe I PF post flop its usually 2/3 raise, pot raise if there is a potential in flush draw coming, check/fold when I don't hit anything.

Yes, I do rise but very very slowly and it starts to be very demotivational. I won enough BR to have 16 buy-ins shortstacked on NL4 now. So do you still reccomend to stay at NL2 you folks?


I want to play with $1 NL4, rebuy under 20BB, change table with 40BB with same PF play as described

93% Sure! Last edit: 10/02/2009 08:38

 
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