To hell with NL2

I can't really tell if this is a serious post or a level? There should be no lack of fish at NL2

I can find them, but it takes loong loong time to actually get some action from them on iPoker. Especially with my beginner's tight strategy.
And at least 30% of players are multitablers who play mechanically, although with leaks, but they are hard to exploit because I am forced to multitable myself to avoid complete boredom (trust me, usually I play 7 tables with 3+ people on all of them usually).

Switch to stars, play nl2. Win. Move up to nl5.

Yeah as soon as I unlock my $100 bonus I am gone. The counter, buy-in levels and many bugs I encountered with CDpoker make it weird. And Btw NL4 is so much easier to pwn on iPoker for me its not even funny. On NL2 finding a loose fish and take the whole stack is so much harder than on NL4, where their stack is 'involved' after first 3bets.
Maybe its the free $50, maybe something else, but I have much easier time on NL4.

I taught two of my friends how to beat NL2 simply by playing specific hands and pot pot shoving anytime they got a piece of their premiums.

If you're struggling at NL2, then it is 100% sure your game has a leak. You should post some stats and we can probably go from there.

Moving up is surely a mistake.

i lol'd

listen to these other people

The micro stake games ($5 - $25 buy-ins) are extremely easy to understand how to win profitably at. Unlike the higher stakes, you will very rarely play with an opponent who knows how to play well. All you need to know is hand ranges, bet sizing. At the micro stakes, very few people actually understand the basics of the game. Almost every time you hit a strong hand, you will want to get your money into the pot, as many people will give you their money with mediocre hands.

At the microstakes there will be many people who play up to 40% or more of their hands, and pray for any type of pair or supercombo. Once they do hit a pair, they will believe they have the best hand and may raise with a pair of kings with a very bad kicker, such as a 5. The best and most profitable way to win at these stakes is to play tight preflop, playing the best hands, and then play your hands very aggressively.

I've already made the mistake of moving up without the BR for it when i first started. I strongly recommend you don't move up. If NL4 is as easy as you say then you just hope you dont go bust from the variance..

"i cant beat this limit so im moving to a higher one"

On February 10 2009 00:51 YoUr_KiLLeR wrote: "i cant beat this limit so im moving to a higher one"

sorry but rofl.

you have a lot to learn.

Move up where there are more fish

dude, wtf is with your first post bitching about 100bb play... what exactly is your point? ^_~~~

the bigger the stacks relative to the blinds, the higher the edge should be for the more competant player, however it sounds like you hate NL2 because you have to buy in for atleast 50bb. Unless im reading this completely wrong...

Either way, being able to buy in 250bb deep at NL2 definitely isnt a bad thing since you can just stack the loose fish for even more money when u do get a good hand vs the mediocre ones they're willing to get it in with. And the fact that people cant buy in for <50bb means that you actually get room to play postflop.

As everyone else here has said, moving up stakes with 300bb's for the next lvl is utterly, utterly stupid. Stay a NL2, considering your roll just buy in for $2 (100bb, which is the standard BI for all levels >NL5) and learn from the hands you play. If you're having trouble post some stats + hands you've played and get some help.

edit: btw, every single post supporting your opinion, including the one above me, is totally sarchastic with good reason. What makes you think NL4 is filled with easier people to play than NL2 exactly...

i like 10000 bb play

I'm also having surprising trouble with this limit. I'm approaching 10k hands on stars and I'm down $5 over all. I'm not trying to play fancy at all. I'm playing standard tight/aggresive robotic micro stakes play.I regularly get close to 2 extra buyins but I keep losing it all with a top set (I think I'm giving them too much credit, I don't expect them to call a pot raise on a flush draw, but they do! ) I don't mind that really because in the long run I should win against it, but I'm finding the biggest problem is actually getting these people to put their money in the pot in the first place. Even when I choose high flop % tables they're still reluctant to call my 3 bets/flop pot bets (unless they're on a flush draw, these people sure love their flushes!)

Ah well, that's poker, gotta get used to it Still gotta make 150 dollars before I can move up a limit so I'll be here a while

On February 10 2009 04:47 Kanin wrote: I'm also having surprising trouble with this limit. I'm approaching 10k hands on stars and I'm down $5 over all. I'm not trying to play fancy at all. I'm playing standard tight/aggresive robotic micro stakes play.I regularly get close to 2 extra buyins but I keep losing it all with a top set (I think I'm giving them too much credit, I don't expect them to call a pot raise on a flush draw, but they do! ) I don't mind that really because in the long run I should win against it, but I'm finding the biggest problem is actually getting these people to put their money in the pot in the first place. Even when I choose high flop % tables they're still reluctant to call my 3 bets/flop pot bets (unless they're on a flush draw, these people sure love their flushes!) Ah well, that's poker, gotta get used to it Still gotta make 150 dollars before I can move up a limit so I'll be here a while

why 150 at nl2, buyin for $5 at nl5 and use 20bi rule

if u cant find fish then u are fish ...

I CAN find fishes easily lol.

Its just that on NL2 when I 3Bet PF almost everyone folds. Yes, you have around 2-3 really dumb people at a table, but also 2-3 multitablers who play mechanically. So I have to wait my turn when I hit my 14% PF cards,
hope that the multitablers don't have better and reraise me, hope that those dummies got A10 or simmilar and call me.

People don't respect their blinds on NL2 on iPoker, and I hit the all-stack max twice per session. (and I buy in for $2 to avoid playing with my BR mgmt) Although profitable, its a loong adventure and a loss of time. The forced multitabling doesn't allow me to focus on my game which needs a lot of improvement.


Sure I got leaks, as I posted earlier I am an idiot with One pair play and I put a massive red post-it on my screen 1 PAIR = FOLD, but in order to improve I need to start actually playing.
My 3Bets are called like 20% on NL2.

And to how I play:

$2 Buy-in
AA,KK,QQ 4BB+X
AK Aks 5BB+x
JJ, TT LP= 3BB+x, EP= call
99-22 Call 2BB Max, 3+ Inpot call 5BB max
AQ LP=Raise EP= Call/ fold a non-minimum raise
AJs Call MD-LP
Axs Call 1BB mid-late position, 2+ In pot call up to 2BB, increase if more
7/10s J10s Qks JQs 3+ Inpot call max 3BB


This is hoe I PF post flop its usually 2/3 raise, pot raise if there is a potential in flush draw coming, check/fold when I don't hit anything.

Yes, I do rise but very very slowly and it starts to be very demotivational. I won enough BR to have 16 buy-ins shortstacked on NL4 now. So do you still reccomend to stay at NL2 you folks?


I want to play with $1 NL4, rebuy under 20BB, change table with 40BB with same PF play as described