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TianYuan    Korea (South). Jul 17 2008 16:52. Posts 6817
I figure I should probably try to approach my learning omaha a little differently from how I approached learning hold'em, playing less tables and trying to look through sessions at least a little bit (and hopefully try to play every day.. yeah we'll see about that one ).


I'm happy that my W$WSF is slowly rising, I need to find more spots to 3bet preflop tho. I'm really scared of 3betting hands with an ace in them, like say, AJTQ (suited or not), because I'm not sure how I'm supposed to react if 4bet.. Leads to a bit too many check/folds from the blinds I think.


In addition, I decided to record an hour or so of play to submit to the Cardrunners "leak finder" series, if it turns out ok (still producing) I guess I'll use it, otherwise maybe I'll post it here and ask for opinions =] I wonder if the ski-slope effect coincides with me starting the recording!

Might try to make more videos (Deucescracked has a similiar series so maybe I can submit one there as well :D), just for my own review.

Hands:

A few pay-offs:
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/486762 - Ehh this is weird, I know my hand isn't super strong or anything but the only hand I could think of that he plays like this is 9T and I didn't think there were a ton of ways for 9T to get to the river.. In addition my hand might (maybe?) look more like a set of aces or something so maybe he turns some hand into a bluff.. Eh I dunno, would like opinions on what to do as a default in these spots when I don't know my opponent.

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/486739 - Bleh guess I should fold river, I've been trying to not fold as much (went to sd went from normal low 20s to 27 this session ) and my thinking was he could bet a flushdraw here too, I have a 9, he might lead kings etc. Yeah a bit too stationy.

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/486750 - I'm a little lost in these situations.. Given the river the call is fairly trivial imo but like say it blanks off completely.. I don't feel like I can continue betting turn really either, I guess a king could call 2 streets and I've got an easy fold if raised?

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/486733 - It feels like such a good card for him to just pot, pot once I c/c.. Meh. Q: preflop, how bad is it to call a raise with something like his hand, AAAX suited once?

Folds:
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/486837 - Mm, I was going to at minimum call vs only 1 player, but with the second guy calling I was sort of lost. Not only will I have a difficult time on A LOT of turns, but he could be slowplaying (since the flop is about as safe as omaha flops get for a set).. Is a call still mandatory?

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/486807 - Hmmm, given there's no special dynamic going at all (don't remember seeing him before, although my HUD stats were out of position for some reason so I thought he was a TAGgish guy, wondering why I didn't remember someone I had 800 hands on lol) can I raise the flop? Like, am I taking it too far trying to adapt to omaha from hold'em?
Is there any point in perhaps betting turn to get him off a low straight? Or is he just sandbagging KQXX too often here?

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/486881 - Should I assume my flush draw is live here? I don't think I had played with this player for very long at this point (but he seemed verrrrry aggressive later on, heh) and it feels very weird for him to make this raise on an A high board.. Could it even be a good idea to 3bet this flop?

General Qs:
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/486632 - I feel like checking here achieves the exact same result vs any boat and gives "bluffs"/weaker hands a chance to try to bluff me off aces or whatever. I think this is good..

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/486626 - hm.. raise/stack off flop I think.. I have some outs, block the big sets and am in excellent shape vs all wraps and flushdraws.

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/486844 - HUGE missed value here.. I'm not sure about turn (he could still c/r some big draw here and I don't think I can call..?). River, hrm, I was worried about a c/shove but I guess he's gonna call me pretty lightly here as there's a lot of missed draws. I'd probably check river too if I checked the turn with a set here tho, but I guess most people wouldn't. I think I worry about "what if.."'s too much.
EDIT: actually thinking about this some more, I really don't think anyone is tricky enough to not bet turn here with a set. I really need to bomb turn and PROBABLY call off at this point... If he just calls I should probably bet river too, hm.

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/486744 - Fold pf? Flop is.. flushdraw, pair, gutshot..... I think I've gotta get it in although I suppose I should be worried about him betting 3 way..? Ugh, another thing is, is the guy coldcalling MORE or less reason for me to call a 3bet? Ya, better odds but I suppose my weak 2nd FD is hurt a lot by him being in the pot?

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/486840 - Raising this flop is awkward because it looks *SO* strong, but calling is also problematic since I'll let every set draw for free. I suppose it's important I do this kind of raise if I want to do it with the naked Ah...

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/486609 - I didn't realize I had a set at first so I just checked quickly, but I think a c/r here is pretty good actually since if the 2nd guy has a bigger FD my c/r will (maybe) free up a bunch of outs for me and I'm ahead of the nuts here anyway.

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/486756 - Eh.. this is a little too loose UTG isn't it? Once I call tho (which, with position, stacks and the fact that I made a 3x open instead of pot, I have to) the hand is oh well, I think I've gotta play it like this?

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/486612 - Hm I'm thinking I shouldn't be doing these things without knowing them at least a little.. And I picked a pretty bad board for it. River is especially bad, the primary hand he'll fold is a flushdraw, which I'm ahead of. Oh well.

Some awesome hands:
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/486622 - best flop peel ever imo.





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Hm.. Off-suite socks..Last edit: 17/07/2008 17:03

TianYuan    Korea (South). Jul 17 2008 16:53. Posts 6817

Argh I accidently made 3 entries lol -.-

How do I delete?

Hm.. Off-suite socks.. 

RS_II   United States. Jul 17 2008 17:08. Posts 748

i'm interested in helping your PLO game

SKoT: I got 99 problems and a bitch aint 1 

thundza   United States. Jul 17 2008 17:16. Posts 2001

commented on one of your hands... http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/486845

try it out next time

pausing stinger video to google ninja porn - myth 

TianYuan    Korea (South). Jul 17 2008 17:28. Posts 6817

Thanks, I will for sure I've already been trying out smaller raise sizes in position (think I got it from the deucescracked omaha series) with draw-type hands, but hadn't thought to include AAXX suited type hands in there.

Btw, when you said AAXX + wrap did you mean a hand like AAJT or just any AAXX and wraps? I guess it makes sense either way.


  On July 17 2008 16:08 RS_II wrote:
i'm interested in helping your PLO game


You mean like coaching? If you have msn, feel free to add me (frozenarbiter at hotmail.com), goes for anyone who wants to talk omaha or poker.

Hm.. Off-suite socks..Last edit: 17/07/2008 17:29

thundza   United States. Jul 17 2008 19:41. Posts 2001

By wraps i mean like 3456, 79TJ, stuff like that.

pausing stinger video to google ninja porn - myth 

Bejamin1   Canada. Jul 17 2008 22:26. Posts 7042

I added my useless input to all of them <3.

Sorry dude he Jason Bourned me. -Johnny Drama 

TianYuan    Korea (South). Jul 18 2008 03:30. Posts 6817

Tyty =]

Hm.. Off-suite socks.. 

 



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