Hero : bets $10.25
ahvas: raises $28.70 to $38.95 and is all-in
Hero : calls $14.75 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($13.95) returned to ahvas
River (Pot : $63.85)
Showdown Hero : shows (a pair of Aces)
ahvas: shows (a straight, Six to Ten)
ahvas collected $60.85 from pot
Summary Total pot $63.85 | Rake $3
Board
Seat 1: Killovicz folded before Flop
Seat 2: ahvas showed and won ($60.85) with a straight, Six to Ten
Seat 3: ratunda folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: kiki2J (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Sams0nite (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: Hero (big blind) showed and lost with a pair of Aces
hand 2:
This one is terribly played imo, i beat nothing, easy fold? + Show Spoiler +
Submitted by : voodoouser
PokerStars Game #21782883544: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/11/05 13:48:24 ET
Table 'Rimito' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: N0S0up4Y0u ($31.10 in chips)
Seat 2: cubann ($31.35 in chips)
Seat 3: Schauter ($16.60 in chips)
Seat 5: BWilbs17 ($20.05 in chips)
Seat 6: Hero ($70.40 in chips)
Schauter: posts small blind $0.10
BWilbs17: posts big blind $0.25
Holecards(Odds) Dealt to Hero
Hero : raises $0.75 to $1
N0S0up4Y0u: folds
cubann: folds
Schauter: calls $0.90
BWilbs17: folds
Schauter: checks
Hero : bets $3.25
Schauter: raises $10.35 to $13.60 and is all-in
Hero : calls $10.35
River (Pot : $33.45)
Showdown Schauter: shows (three of a kind, Nines)
Hero : mucks hand
Schauter collected $31.80 from pot
Summary Total pot $33.45 | Rake $1.65
Board
Seat 1: N0S0up4Y0u folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: cubann (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Schauter (small blind) showed and won ($31.80) with three of a kind, Nines
Seat 5: BWilbs17 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: Hero mucked
So played a little hu today. Started out nicely and was up 5 buyins, then lost 3 buyins in one pot (ie pot was 6bi) and 1.5 in smaller ones. Later this night I started another session (still tilted from the 80-20 ahead for 3 bi) and spewed badly for a -6buyins day. I think Ill stop playing HU for now, I get too frustrated too easily when not hitting hands and in general spew so much.
People literally try to give you money in NL5. I don't know how you could possibly lose at it.
Submitted by : edzwoo
PokerStars Game #21784529050: Hold'em No Limit ($0.02/$0.05) - 2008/11/05 14:52:19 ET
Table 'Erato IV' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: KIKO_PSJ ($10.31 in chips)
Seat 2: Mig29-M ($10.23 in chips)
Seat 3: UGOR LANDO ($7.95 in chips)
Seat 4: ATOJ5 ($2.43 in chips)
Seat 5: edzwoo ($14.82 in chips)
Seat 6: ivanwinWSOP ($10.22 in chips)
Seat 7: Al75641 ($13.02 in chips)
Seat 8: ZzSINGHzZ ($13.23 in chips)
Seat 9: Evergates ($3.90 in chips)
ivanwinWSOP: posts small blind $0.02
Al75641: posts big blind $0.05
Holecards(Odds) Dealt to edzwoo
ZzSINGHzZ: raises $0.10 to $0.15
Evergates: folds
KIKO_PSJ: folds
Mig29-M: folds
UGOR LANDO: folds
ATOJ5: folds
edzwoo : raises $0.30 to $0.45
ivanwinWSOP: folds
Al75641: folds
ZzSINGHzZ: raises $1.50 to $1.95
edzwoo : calls $1.50
Showdown ZzSINGHzZ: shows (a pair of Eights)
edzwoo : shows (two pair, Kings and Eights)
edzwoo collected $25.23 from pot
Summary Total pot $26.53 | Rake $1.30
Board
Seat 1: KIKO_PSJ folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Mig29-M folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: UGOR LANDO folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: ATOJ5 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: edzwoo (button) showed and won ($25.23) with two pair, Kings and Eights
Seat 6: ivanwinWSOP (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: Al75641 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: ZzSINGHzZ showed and lost with a pair of Eights
Seat 9: Evergates folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Here are some hands I spewed just because I felt like it:
I've been running a game on my PC and my monitor keeps going into power save mode. I've updated the drivers for my vid card and monitors but it still has this issue. I also went into the control panel and turned all the power save and hibernate options to 'Never'. Still no luck even after searching Google and seeign many people have had this issue, but no one seems to have found a resolution for it.
It of course may be that my system wasn't exactly bought for gaming and I need to upgrade a little bit. Although I can't confirm that this is the issue, I have no problem upgrading the vid card (GeForce 7300LE) and RAM (1GB) if anyone has any suggestions of what and where to get it. I don't want top of the line stuff just something to update me into the last year or so. I assume I can do this from 50-200 bucks.
analyzing october part 2by MadeInPolanD, November 05
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/561733 - 21/13/3 500 hands, fold to 3bet: 57%(7) so i decide to cbet, then i guess i should check cause FD does't change much ad he'll prolly fold QQ-KK to another bet?
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/561735 - 21/17/3 800 hands, i should fold to shove on river, i talked myself that he can have K9 or other two pair
Next I have to say "FINALY THE SELIFSH PRICKS AND IGNORANT BASTARDS LOST!"
Then I have to justify that comment.
I first met Logan in 3rd grade. He was known as "Dumbo" because his ears stuck out like he could take flight at any moment. In 5th grade he had surgery on his ears and thereforthe become Logan. My girlfriend in 8th grade dumped me to date him for 2 weeks and then dump him. I was heartbroken.
By 9th grade (Freshman year in highschool) we were great friends, and we've stayed close ever since. In 2004 we were roomates and he was supporting Bush while I wanted Kerry. We had many a fight but maintained our friendship. Now we're both 25 and he has gone from being a real estate agent to running his own energy drink company. It's a small business but he's making much more than I do and he's still very Republican.
Now this is where we get back to my argument. I love Logan and would do anything I could to help him out, but I also think he's a selfish prick and I've told him so to his face. I've mocked his business which is a huge rip off and he's flat out admitted I was right. That's why I love him - he doesn't buy his own BS. I hate that he's fucking idiots over, but at least he doesn't think he's noble.
He decided to vote for McCain because he thought he'd get a better tax break from the Republican side of the ticket. As I've learned from TenBagger, most likely he'd only save $300 under McCain cause he's not making big bank right now. This is why I say that McCain got the "Selfish" votes - they didn't research it hard and any amount over 0 in extra taxes is too much for them.
Next let's go with a guy I met while canvassing for Obama. I knocked on a door looking for a 47 yr old Male named John who had told us he was leaning McCain the last time we talked to him. A ~20 yr old male answered the door, and when I asked for John and explained the past relationship, he told me that he hopes "Obama dies", and asked me why I supported Obama. I asked why he supported McCain and he said "Gimme 3 minutes and you will be a McCain supporter". His first talking point was "Obama hates my mom cause she's white". He followed it up with "Obama is a terrorist" and closed with "Obama wants to raise my taxes". This was almost funny coming from a guy who's family, by the look of his house, would be really lucky to break 60k a year.
We got into a 45 minute conversation where I slowly and kindly corrected him on his BS. He justified the "white hate" by Reverend Wright. I explained that all of my best friends, people I grew up with since 3rd grade and who I'd die for, all voted Bush and are supporting McCain. I pointed out the fact that even though they are the people I spend the most time with, the ones I go out and drink with, the ones who I think of as brothers, I totally 200% disagree with them on political policy issues. If I ran for president as a Liberal and people tried to say I was a right wing Republican because my best friends thought that way, it would be a load of BS, because I don't agree with them at all. The ability to still be friends with them DESPITE our disagreements was a sign of strength, not of weakness. He agreed.
I went on to deal with all of his points in a similar matter, and at the end we shook hands he he told me that even though we were voting for different people, we were still "Americans" and that's what mattered most. I agreed with him wholeheartedly and though he started with a death threat to my candidate, we ended as friends who respected each others beliefs while disagreeing.
I truly believe that if I spent a month with him, 24/7, going over non partisan sites like FactCheck.org and so on, we'd find even more common ground and he'd probably support Obama. He'd been so pumped full of fear by Fox news that a rational conversation was hard for him to achieve.
Now when we take this HUGE FUCKING OBAMA LANDSLIDE (HHHHEELLLZZ YYYEEAA!!!) into account, I think we can definitely say that the ignorant BS and selfish shit finally lost. I'm proud of my country for that and I'm extremely happy to be someone who's blogged for this change over the last 10 months. Thanks to EVERYBODY who has shown support to my blog, and a HUGE THANK YOU to everyone who voted Obama. We're on our way to real change!
Yes
We
Did.
EDIT: And for fun, a funny video sent to me by a friend taking Dr. Seuss look at Palin:
-8BI Today, without tilting any off.by Night2o1, November 05
I put so much effort into this, and I can't have a session where I win more than $13. I wouldn't mind so much if I _ever_ had some evidence of maybe being a winning player. I can't possibly play so badly as to deserve this after putting so many hours into learning this game.
Full Tilt Poker Game #8819732953: Table List (deep 6) - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 3:26:55 ET - 2008/11/05
Seat 1: 2jpimpin ($83.10)
Seat 2: noahg66 ($70.40)
Seat 3: Hero ($50)
Seat 4: Agent086 ($51.50)
Seat 5: Rev3nton ($30.65)
Seat 6: itsme212 ($27)
Agent086 posts the small blind of $0.10
Rev3nton posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #3
Holecards(Odds) Dealt to Hero
itsme212 folds
2jpimpin raises to $0.85
noahg66 calls $0.85
Hero raises to $3.50
Agent086 folds
Rev3nton folds
2jpimpin folds
noahg66 has 15 seconds left to act
noahg66 calls $2.65
noahg66 checks
Hero bets $14.75
noahg66 has 15 seconds left to act
noahg66 raises to $41.50
Hero calls $25.50, and is all in
noahg66 shows
Hero shows
Uncalled bet of $1.25 returned to noahg66
River (Pot : $101.20)
noahg66 shows a Royal Flush
Hero shows a full house, Jacks full of Queens
noahg66 wins the pot ($98.20) with a Royal Flush
Hero adds $50
Summary Total pot $101.20 | Rake $3
Board:
Seat 1: 2jpimpin folded before the Flop
Seat 2: noahg66 showed and won ($98.20) with a Royal Flush
Seat 3: Hero (button) showed and lost with a full house, Jacks full of Queens
Seat 4: Agent086 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: Rev3nton (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: itsme212 didn't bet (folded)
Full Tilt Poker Game #8819550915: Table Galatea (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 2:59:37 ET - 2008/11/05
Seat 1: LittleDonny ($35.90)
Seat 2: GOOD GAME NO RE ($73.10)
Seat 3: smithstyle ($17.95)
Seat 4: ddalrock ($25.35)
Seat 5: Fenykel ($24.15)
Seat 6: Hero ($25)
LittleDonny posts the small blind of $0.10
GOOD GAME NO RE posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #6
Holecards Dealt to Hero
smithstyle folds
ddalrock has 15 seconds left to act
ddalrock folds
Fenykel raises to $0.85
Hero calls $0.85
LittleDonny folds
GOOD GAME NO RE folds
Flop (Pot : $2.05)
Fenykel bets $1.50
Hero raises to $4.75
Fenykel calls $3.25
Turn (Pot : $11.55)
Fenykel checks
Hero bets $8.25
Fenykel has 15 seconds left to act
Fenykel calls $8.25
River (Pot : $28.05)
Fenykel has 15 seconds left to act
Fenykel bets $10.30, and is all in
Hero calls $10.30
Showdown Fenykel shows a flush, King high
Hero mucks
Fenykel wins the pot ($46.25) with a flush, King high
Hero adds $24.15
Summary Total pot $48.65 | Rake $2.40
Board:
Seat 1: LittleDonny (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: GOOD GAME NO RE (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: smithstyle didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: ddalrock didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: Fenykel showed and won ($46.25) with a flush, King high
Seat 6: Hero (button) mucked - three of a kind, Sixes
Full Tilt Poker Game #8819569009: Table Early (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 3:02:12 ET - 2008/11/05
Seat 1: SebQtaneus ($25.35)
Seat 2: MomsVisa ($38.50)
Seat 3: HarleyLau ($30.30)
Seat 4: vball400000000 ($12.50)
Seat 5: Laguerra8112330 ($40.05)
Seat 6: Hero ($28.80)
HarleyLau posts the small blind of $0.10
vball400000000 posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #2
vball400000000 checks
Hero bets $2.50
SebQtaneus has 15 seconds left to act
SebQtaneus has requested TIME
SebQtaneus calls $2.50
MomsVisa folds
vball400000000 folds
Hero bets $7.50
SebQtaneus has 15 seconds left to act
SebQtaneus has requested TIME
SebQtaneus calls $7.50
River (Pot : $24.10)
Hero bets $15.25
SebQtaneus has 15 seconds left to act
SebQtaneus calls $14.35, and is all in
Uncalled bet of $0.90 returned to Hero
Showdown Hero shows a flush, Ace high
SebQtaneus shows a flush, Ace high
SebQtaneus wins the pot ($50.20) with a flush, Ace high
Hero adds $21.55
Summary Total pot $52.80 | Rake $2.60
Board:
Seat 1: SebQtaneus showed and won ($50.20) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 2: MomsVisa (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: HarleyLau (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: vball400000000 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: Laguerra8112330 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: Hero showed and lost with a flush, Ace high
Full Tilt Poker Game #8818423538: Table Pale (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 0:55:41 ET - 2008/11/05
Seat 1: StckaD0nk ($27.15)
Seat 2: fluoro ($30)
Seat 3: Jackfrost77 ($26.35)
Seat 4: jmts2000 ($21.60)
Seat 5: Night2o11 ($25)
Seat 6: Size12font ($25)
Jackfrost77 posts the small blind of $0.10
jmts2000 posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #2
Holecards(Odds) Dealt to Night2o11
Night2o11 raises to $1
Size12font folds
StckaD0nk folds
fluoro has 15 seconds left to act
fluoro folds
Jackfrost77 calls $0.90
jmts2000 folds
Jackfrost77 bets $4.25
Night2o11 raises to $11
Jackfrost77 raises to $23.60, and is all in
Night2o11 calls $11.25, and is all in
Jackfrost77 shows
Night2o11 shows
Uncalled bet of $1.35 returned to Jackfrost77
River (Pot : $50.25)
Jackfrost77 shows a full house, Sevens full of Queens
Night2o11 shows a full house, Sixes full of Queens
Jackfrost77 wins the pot ($47.75) with a full house, Sevens full of Queens
Night2o11 adds $25
Summary Total pot $50.25 | Rake $2.50
Board:
Seat 1: StckaD0nk didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: fluoro (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: Jackfrost77 (small blind) showed and won ($47.75) with a full house, Sevens full of Queens
Seat 4: jmts2000 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: Night2o11 showed and lost with a full house, Sixes full of Queens
Seat 6: Size12font didn't bet (folded)
Full Tilt Poker Game #8818234961: Table Stats (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 0:38:02 ET - 2008/11/05
Seat 1: pokerplyrcab ($24.40)
Seat 2: Walker0902 ($25.40)
Seat 4: Night2o11 ($25)
Seat 5: fzilco ($1.85)
Seat 6: launchpad91 ($61.30)
Walker0902 posts the small blind of $0.10
Night2o11 posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #1
Holecards(Odds) Dealt to Night2o11
fzilco raises to $1.85, and is all in
launchpad91 raises to $5.90
pokerplyrcab raises to $24.40, and is all in
Walker0902 folds
Night2o11 has 15 seconds left to act
Night2o11 has requested TIME
Night2o11 raises to $25, and is all in
launchpad91 has 15 seconds left to act
launchpad91 calls $19.10
Night2o11 shows
fzilco shows
launchpad91 shows
pokerplyrcab shows
Night2o11 shows a pair of Kings
launchpad91 shows a pair of Aces
launchpad91 wins side pot #2 ($1.20) with a pair of Aces
pokerplyrcab shows a pair of Queens
launchpad91 wins side pot #1 ($65) with a pair of Aces
fzilco shows a pair of Aces
launchpad91 wins the main pot ($7.15) with a pair of Aces
pokerplyrcab adds $25
Night2o11 adds $25
fzilco is sitting out
Summary Total pot $76.35 Main pot $7.50. Side pot 1 $67.65. Side pot 2 $1.20. | Rake $3
Board:
Seat 1: pokerplyrcab (button) showed and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 2: Walker0902 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: Night2o11 (big blind) showed and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 5: fzilco showed and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 6: launchpad91 showed and won ($73.35) with a pair of Aces
Full Tilt Poker Game #8818372813: Table Pale (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 0:50:59 ET - 2008/11/05
Seat 1: StckaD0nk ($26.90)
Seat 2: fluoro ($13.55)
Seat 3: Jackfrost77 ($24.65)
Seat 4: jmts2000 ($25.45)
Seat 5: Night2o11 ($34.45)
Seat 6: Size12font ($25.05)
jmts2000 posts the small blind of $0.10
Night2o11 posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #3
Night2o11 bets $7.50
fluoro calls $2.30, and is all in
Uncalled bet of $5.20 returned to Night2o11
Showdown Night2o11 shows two pair, Aces and Threes
fluoro shows three of a kind, Threes
fluoro wins the pot ($27.20) with three of a kind, Threes
Night2o11 adds $4.10
Summary Total pot $28.60 | Rake $1.40
Board:
Seat 1: StckaD0nk didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: fluoro showed and won ($27.20) with three of a kind, Threes
Seat 3: Jackfrost77 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: jmts2000 (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: Night2o11 (big blind) showed and lost with two pair, Aces and Threes
Seat 6: Size12font didn't bet (folded)
Full Tilt Poker Game #8818029005: Table Young (deep 6) - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 0:19:08 ET - 2008/11/05
Seat 1: Godwad ($188.35)
Seat 2: Night2o11 ($65.55)
Seat 3: tubesauks ($55.95)
Seat 4: LineWooD1 ($27.65)
Seat 5: racedonkey ($71.10)
Seat 6: play4pennies ($25.65)
tubesauks posts the small blind of $0.10
LineWooD1 posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #2
Holecards Dealt to Night2o11
racedonkey folds
play4pennies folds
Godwad raises to $0.85
Night2o11 calls $0.85
tubesauks folds
LineWooD1 folds
Flop (Pot : $2.05)
Godwad bets $1.25
Night2o11 has 15 seconds left to act
Night2o11 raises to $3.50
Godwad calls $2.25
Turn (Pot : $9.05)
Godwad checks
Night2o11 checks
River (Pot : $9.05)
Godwad bets $6.75
Night2o11 has 15 seconds left to act
Night2o11 has requested TIME
Night2o11 calls $6.75
Showdown Godwad shows a straight, Five high
Night2o11 mucks
Godwad wins the pot ($21.45) with a straight, Five high
Summary Total pot $22.55 | Rake $1.10
Board:
Seat 1: Godwad showed and won ($21.45) with a straight, Five high
Seat 2: Night2o11 (button) mucked - two pair, Aces and Twos
Seat 3: tubesauks (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: LineWooD1 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: racedonkey didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: play4pennies didn't bet (folded)
Less horrendous beats, more like did I play it ok? Do I just never get there?
Full Tilt Poker Game #8818691225: Table Stats (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 1:21:29 ET - 2008/11/05
Seat 1: mongooseFTP ($25)
Seat 2: thustle ($29.15)
Seat 3: Matt Cargill ($36.35)
Seat 4: Night2o11 ($25)
Seat 5: fzilco ($39.35)
Seat 6: Kim Gustavo ($26.20)
Matt Cargill posts the small blind of $0.10
Night2o11 posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #2
Holecards Dealt to Night2o11
fzilco raises to $0.85
Kim Gustavo folds
mongooseFTP folds
thustle folds
Matt Cargill folds
Night2o11 calls $0.60
Showdown fzilco shows a pair of Kings
Night2o11 mucks
fzilco wins the pot ($33.55) with a pair of Kings
Night2o11 adds $17.60
Summary Total pot $35.30 | Rake $1.75
Board:
Seat 1: mongooseFTP didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: thustle (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: Matt Cargill (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: Night2o11 (big blind) mucked - a pair of Queens
Seat 5: fzilco showed and won ($33.55) with a pair of Kings
Seat 6: Kim Gustavo didn't bet (folded)
Full Tilt Poker Game #8819758803: Table List (deep 6) - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 3:31:01 ET - 2008/11/05
Seat 1: 2jpimpin ($82.25)
Seat 2: noahg66 ($121.15)
Seat 3: Night2o11 ($50)
Seat 4: Agent086 ($51.15)
Seat 5: Rev3nton ($29.15)
Seat 6: itsme212 ($26.15)
Agent086 posts the small blind of $0.10
Rev3nton posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #3
Holecards(Odds) Dealt to Night2o11
itsme212 folds
2jpimpin folds
noahg66 folds
Night2o11 raises to $1
Agent086 calls $0.90
Rev3nton folds
Showdown Night2o11 shows a pair of Aces
Agent086 shows two pair, Aces and Nines
Agent086 wins the pot ($30.20) with two pair, Aces and Nines
Night2o11 adds $15.75
Summary Total pot $31.75 | Rake $1.55
Board:
Seat 1: 2jpimpin didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: noahg66 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: Night2o11 (button) showed and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 4: Agent086 (small blind) showed and won ($30.20) with two pair, Aces and Nines
Seat 5: Rev3nton (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: itsme212 didn't bet (folded)
Actions speak louder than words
I really hope Obama isn't assassinated or we will never learn our lesson
I'll be honest and start him with a fresh clean slate as soon as he swears in
So let's see what happens shall we
Some food for thought ---------------------------------------------------------->
A really good read --------------------------------------------------------------->
What I’m really interested in is how to get from where I am to Liberty, and I will gladly join up with other Americans who are willing to submerge all their differences and create an organization that has one and only one aim: LIBERTY. That means Liberty for me, for you, and for everyone else. That includes people we disagree with on all sorts of issues. If we understand that Liberty means that you choose your own governance and I choose mine, exclusive of interfering with one another violently, then we can unite under this one banner: LIBERTY.
The idea that we should be free to choose our own governance is a radical idea, the most radical idea in political history. It is an idea that the Founding Fathers shrank from. They still thought in terms of a single national government. Their main compromises with Liberty were to suppose that Liberty could be attained via a single limited government and, in fact, that this government was necessary to secure that Liberty. Both assumptions were wrong, dead wrong. They also compromised our Liberty in a Constitution that had a great many loopholes that allowed for a truly enormous government power. We simply must surpass them and go the next step in order to bring into being the freedom to choose our own governance, and this means that there cannot be a single government over all who live in America.
This means breaking old and deeply ingrained habits of thought. Francis Bacon wrote: "The human understanding when it has once adopted an opinion (either as being the received opinion or as being agreeable to itself) draws all things else to support and agree with it." The opinion that the State is a necessary evil is unbelievably entrenched in the minds of people the world round. They cannot imagine any other alternative. Having adopted that opinion, they rationalize it with all manner of false argument.
It will take a large educational effort by many of us to smash this wall of mis-belief and replace it with a new vision.
Liberty is whole and undivided. It cannot be sustained by a dose of limited poison (the State) in its midst that is anti-Liberty and yet is supposed to protect Liberty. The poison grows and grows and eventually paralyzes the body politic. There is simply no way of ever attaining Liberty without ending government as we know it. There can be no monopoly government that is limited. There can be no Liberty with people shifting the responsibility for solving their personal problems to this government, for then it becomes unlimited in scope and power. There can be no Liberty without self-governance. This most assuredly does not mean every person becomes an isolated atom. It means the very opposite. Liberty implies the Liberty to associate with others to choose the social governance that one desires. This is the polar opposite of being made to associate in one huge group in one delimited territory under rules formulated by distant and unaccountable officials and bureaucrats.
We who support Liberty could benefit if there were a group of 10–20 million Americans who shared this common goal. We could then move toward this goal. Winning political office within the existing system is not consistent with the ultimate objective, for there should ultimately be no single State in America or else there can be no Liberty in America. But winning political office serves two intermediate objectives. The main one is educational: elect people who spread the message of Liberty, what it means, how to get it, and why we want it. The second objective is to reduce the more egregious violent acts of the State that infringe the liberties of large numbers of Americans.
I'm really not into winning elections and ruling others. Far from it. But things are looking more and more desperate in America. Police in Washington are starting to search people before they can use the subway. If a coalition of 10–20 million voters could be put together, it would shift the balance of power tremendously. Winning elections to foster the non-rule of the winners over the losers is a sensible objective.
Ron Paul, had he been nominated, would have been the Republicans' strongest candidate – easily. He could have amassed far more votes than their ticket will get. He could have given Obama a real run for his money, indeed Ron Paul might even have won. Americans have been bullied and pushed around long enough. They may be confused but they know something is wrong and needs to be put right. It would have been very easy to take Mr. Obama apart and reveal his deceits and lies, to reveal who owns him, to reveal his pet prejudices and favorites, and to show just how badly he will end up ruling with his panoply of programs. Dr. Paul had the issues squarely on his side.
So instead of that picture, we have the Republican Party choosing a far, far weaker candidate. Why didn’t Ron Paul win the nomination of his Party?
While there are many things that one can point to, I will emphasize three deep reasons. (1) Ron Paul goes against the basic ideas of the Republican Party that go back to Lincoln in 1860. He may be a Jeffersonian Republican but the Republican Party is Lincolnian. Perhaps Dr. Paul is an Old Right Republican, but they were eclipsed in the Party long ago. Republicans stand for the Union above all, which is the national State. They don’t believe in a limited State. They have stood for high tariffs, subsidies to business, and subsidies to build infrastructure. They are very weak on civil liberties. I could go on at length to underscore my point, which is virtually self-evident. Republicans routinely vote in large numbers against Ron Paul’s proposals. They don’t believe in his principles.
(2) If Ron Paul had secured the nomination, he would have vastly altered the distribution of power within the Party. It would have meant a shift from those who support the internationalist-banking-big business-militarist-fascist orientation to a completely opposite orientation. Obviously, parties are all about power and position and getting the election goodies. The Republican bigwigs could not tolerate a Ron Paul.
(3) The Republicans preferred running a weak candidate and having a Democrat win than running Ron Paul who might start a peaceful revolution. This is because they wish to maintain their duopoly of power and privilege. The Democrats and Republicans have a duopoly when it comes to political power. The fiction that the two parties differ (when they do not differ in any significant way) keeps Americans divided and constantly focused on trivial differences, personalities, trivial expenses, trivial personal matters, etc. Meanwhile the two parties have such a hammerlock on election rules, campaigns, debates, candidates, contributions, and the media, that no upstart party stands a chance. They have rigged the system entirely in their favor. For a Ron Paul to have run and exposed this system nationally for months on end would have been unthinkable. And if he had won the presidency, the members of his own Party would have been attacking him in all sorts of ways to discredit him and his views.
These are the three fundamental reasons why Ron Paul failed to secure the nomination of his Party, despite the very high probability that he would have done much better than McCain and Palin, and may even have beaten Obama.
Obama will win. I expect that he will put the economy even more into the tank than it already is. He could even make it bad enough that his re-election is doubtful, but he will blame his predecessors and argue that he has not had enough time to fix 8 years of Republican rule. He will also try very hard to solidify his coalition by giving them favors.
Despite all that, Ron Paul will become even more of a viable opposition candidate. But the Republicans will never go for him because of the factors above. Besides there will be the Palins and others who will want to have the power.
Paul’s only alternative is a third party run. He can't establish a new party because of the difficulties of getting on the ballot. That leaves the Libertarian Party. Its commitment to Liberty is very strong, but it is vague on the key thing, which is to act in such a way as to free people to choose their own governance.
If such a group were to target certain vulnerable Congressional districts and focus on getting Ron Paul candidates elected there, his voice in Congress would be given immensely more support and prominence. Moreover, a voting bloc of 25 Congressmen would hold the balance of power on many issues. Paul might run for President, but the real effort would be to get a voting bloc in Congress. Alternatively, maybe there are some vulnerable state legislatures. Instead of random shots spread out everywhere, the libertarians could focus their resources on getting 25 people elected to Congress, or maybe getting 25 legislators in key states where their vote would make them the key bloc to win over.
The main objective, from my perspective, is to attract that core of 10–20 million people who set aside all their differences and become single-issue voters, that issue being Liberty. But, as I outlined it at the outset, Liberty means that each of us has the freedom to choose out own governance. This poses a problem. Suppose the Libertarian Party wins a national election. It now runs the monopoly State. Does it then have a right to impose its visions upon all Americans? It certainly does not. If there are Americans who wish to live in drug-free communities and impose these or other restrictions on themselves, should they not have the Liberty to do so?
A Libertarian government can only act consistently with its principles by doing everything it can to free Americans. This can be accomplished by recognizing the right of any person of group of persons to separate themselves from the reach of the national government while still living wherever they choose to live. In this way, Americans can achieve self-governance without monopoly and in freedom. They can choose their own preferred methods of governance. The right to separate from a government while not necessarily separating physically and territorially (while retaining that option) is key. In this way, we can bring to fruition principles articulated by our Founding Fathers but as yet unrealized in modern America.
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