I will be alone this New Year's eve, I don't even know if I will get drunk home alone, or just ignore the day.
So my real 2010 starts on Thursday Morning when my GF leaves to China for one month (my colleagues are all with families and foreign students I know go usually home for holidays)
Vital goal: $10k Bankroll, 2bb/100 stable long term winner at 6 tables/ or $20 per hour by beginning of September.
Targets:
- min 7500VPP every month until summer,
15k+VPP when my Work placement finishes
- 10 vids watched/month, 1 article read
Indirect but related targets:
- Work only 37.5 hours/week
- Go to sleep 11:30, wake up 7:30 arrive to work before 8:50.
- Gym 2-3 times per week
- Max 1 Takeaway/2weeks, eat more vegetables
Real life only target:
- Lose 15KG/33Pounds.
- Stop throwing away money, start saving
Reasoning BR/WINRATES
$20/hour will simply allow me to get by without a part time job. University is easy and I will be playing 30 hours per week(I was playing 40hrs/week+ and 12hr sessions were not unusual before I started my job), and $1.5k is all I need for expenses as my family will send me some monthly amount covering my very low rent for Britain.
That would leave some $900 per month to build my bankroll slowly.
$10k is ideal amount for NL100 pro, and I can start taking slow shots at NL200 when I reach that amount.
TARGETS
7,500 per month is just to hold my SN.
I can reach my BR goal just by keeping it and clearing bonuses.
10Vids watched/1Article read is very reasonable. I will keep my DC subscription and I also have CR for the next month.
INDIRECT TARGETS WORKING TIME
I am paid close to minimum wage and get paid 35 hours yet I work over 41 hours per week on average. I will plan better and take on much less workload.
Even my Line Manager set me this as my Personal Development goal, I simply have to say no when people need help I don't have time to finish in my standard hours and prioritise properly (I am an Administrator for 2 two teams under same department but with different areas of focus)
This should also help to increase my performance, last two months I always had 3-4 things that absolutely had to be done RIGHT NOW, which made me stressed/I couldn't plan my time. Feeling good about my job performance and not feeling overworked will have huge impacts on my life and poker win rates too.
SLEEPING REGIME
Another super important thing. Not sleeping regularly just adds to stress, and takes out focus and stamina - another impact on winrates
GYM 2-3 TIMES PER WEEK
I have been going to the gym quite regularly, when I felt like it. sometimes 3 times per week, sometimes 1 per two weeks. I would like to use the extra time I get from working less for Gym and go standard 3 times per week + Football with office buds + Floorball if I feel like it.
Regular exercise improves my confidence, and improved stamina means longer sessions at full alertness.
My fitness will be especially important when my work placement finishes and poker will change from a hobby as it is now to a job and 10hr+sessions will be needed at peak times. I couldn't do that at my current fitness levels.
EATING HABITS
That should come naturally with the regular exercise.
No drastic change, just food from my GF and cut on sweets/so frequent takeaways and pizzas and In-house canteen lunches at work.
Eating heavy food before playing sessions has negative impacts on focus and makes you tired - not crushing but significant impact on winrates.
UNRELATED GOALS
-Lose weight because I am so fucking fat its unbelievable. I was playing Floor ball for 8 years on top level- I was a goalie known for incredible reflexes and speed.
I was very slim. I moved to Britain and got a part time job in a Scottish Bakery (FREE SCOTCH PIES FOR 2 YEARS BABY). And after that I got an office job.
-Save money
I spend some 15 bucks just for water/lunch/fruit per day at work, who know how much per week on pizzas, kebabs and restaurants with my GF, and I am even lazy to go extra 200 metres to a supermarket that is 20% cheaper that the one I go to because its close.
2010
Will be awesome.
I plan on achieving my poker goals mostly through the RL Indirect stuff, as at the moment I bleed 30BI+ per month with plays that I would never make consciously that I make when I am tired.
All I need to do is not play tired/unfocused, full stop.
If I manage just the couple changes to my lifestyle and keep them I will easily surpass the modest result-wise goals I set for myself and 2010 will be the best year ever.
Vod questions, plx reply <3by Mariuslol, December 28
Hey, I got memebership for 3 sites atm. I'm usually watching a vod here and there, but thinking it might be smarter to find one player, then watch all of his. Or is that stupid, if so, why?
I really should watch more video's, since I'm at 25nl / 50nl stakes, to up my game further.
I did love Phil Galfond's movies, but sad to say, it's way over my head, even if I get all the stuff he's doing, it won't work on micro limits either I feel.
The only one I'm watching at bluefirepoker is Niman, because he has a bit lower stakes, still pretty deep shit I feel.
I got membership at Blurefirepoker, deuces and leggo.
Could you guys list your favourite teacher, and maybe what would suit me best. I'm in the stakes I said, but beating it slowly but surely. (2,9BB/100 or something)
And on deuces, sooo many series, which ones should I dl. I've seen both seasons of the coaching tree and real life micro grinder.
ok so ive started playing again, after a friendly christmas loan from my residential hero apollo, im grinding up from $20 playing PLO NL2having some q nice results sat on about 80 right now, anyone know of any good PLO books to read or coaching videos to watch ? I've read most of the stuff at pokerstrategy and i dont really know where to look so hence why im asking here
my bro is also back from afghanistan for two weeks so gunna be nice to chill out with him before he goes back to ze war.
Thanks in advance if anyone helps, appreciate it and glgl lp and hope you all had/having good holidays
get home drunk as hell
sign up for 2 tournies
double up on both
fall asleep because i'm playing in bed with laptop on top of me
roll over, laptop falls off bed
Heater + help on some handsby RAINISM, December 28
I don't know what happened this winter break but I feel like I've finally started to do well in poker. I've tightened up my play a bit and learned how to extract value from my opponents on a range of hands. Much of this is thanks to TL but I think relief from the stress of studying everyday is also a big part of clearing my mindset. I'm starting my pharm tech job this week and have been spending the nights relaxing with friends. Life seems pretty good.
Soooo I think I had my first real heater this past couple days. I wish I had a hand history program to show you guys a graph but I believe I won about 14 or 15 buy-ins at NL10. I should really get some software...
Anyways here are the hands; assume villian there is no read on any of these opponents:
Full Tilt Poker Game #17139207785: Table Change - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:46:50 ET - 2009/12/27
Seat 1: AintTooProud ($10.06)
Seat 2: Hero ($11)
Seat 3: wk5555511 ($2)
Seat 4: Marguedas ($5.71)
Seat 5: gimmeurchipslol ($10.37)
Seat 6: camshafta ($8.25)
Seat 7: maxGalaxy ($1.50)
Seat 8: Openside ($11.88)
Seat 9: point place ($5.42)
gimmeurchipslol posts the small blind of $0.05
camshafta posts the big blind of $0.10
5 seconds left to act
wk5555511 posts $0.10
The button is in seat #4
Holecards Dealt to Hero
maxGalaxy folds
Openside folds
point place has 15 seconds left to act
point place folds
AintTooProud raises to $0.40
Hero raises to $1.20
wk5555511 folds
wk5555511 adds $0.10
Marguedas folds
gimmeurchipslol folds
camshafta folds
AintTooProud has 15 seconds left to act
AintTooProud calls $0.80
Flop (Pot : $2.55)
AintTooProud checks
Hero bets $1.60
AintTooProud has 15 seconds left to act
AintTooProud calls $1.60
Turn (Pot : $5.75)
AintTooProud checks
Hero has 15 seconds left to act
Hero checks
River (Pot : $5.75)
AintTooProud has 15 seconds left to act
AintTooProud checks
Hero has 15 seconds left to act
Hero bets $3.25
Should I 2nd barrel on the turn here? If so, how much?
As played, should I bluff the river?
Full Tilt Poker Game #17111399491: Table Moss - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 20:17:26 ET - 2009/12/26
Seat 1: bastimw ($2.06), is sitting out
Seat 2: Snow Cheetah ($12.31)
Seat 3: Frost-sTw ($7.57)
Seat 4: skripka2009 ($2), is sitting out
Seat 5: Hero ($32.71)
Seat 6: USSB ($4.61)
Seat 7: kev2060 ($3.32)
Seat 8: Michlen ($2)
Seat 9: Sloppy Jon ($4.16)
Hero posts the small blind of $0.05
USSB posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #3
Holecards Dealt to Hero
kev2060 folds
Michlen folds
Sloppy Jon folds
Snow Cheetah has 15 seconds left to act
Snow Cheetah folds
Frost-sTw raises to $0.30
Hero raises to $1
USSB folds
Frost-sTw raises to $7.57, and is all in
Hero has 15 seconds left to act
Hero has requested TIME
Is a call justified here? Lots of players at NL10 do this with KK/AA imo. I haven't seen villian act out of line at all in the past 30 or so hands. What do we do if we had QQ in the same situation?
Full Tilt Poker Game #17110928357: Table Moss - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 19:55:28 ET - 2009/12/26
Seat 1: bastimw ($2.36)
Seat 2: Snow Cheetah ($10)
Seat 4: Mihanren ($3.74)
Seat 5: Hero ($33.57)
Seat 6: Pumi08 ($2.15)
Seat 7: Lim00na ($1.85)
Seat 8: Michlen ($2)
Seat 9: Sloppy Jon ($5.80)
Mihanren is sitting out
Hero posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #3
Holecards Dealt to Hero
Frost-sTw adds $5.55
Pumi08 folds
Lim00na folds
Michlen folds
Sloppy Jon calls $0.10
Mihanren stands up
bastimw folds
Snow Cheetah calls $0.10
Hero raises to $0.50
skripka2009 sits down
skripka2009 adds $2
Sloppy Jon folds
Snow Cheetah has 15 seconds left to act
Snow Cheetah calls $0.40
Flop (Pot : $1.10)
Hero has 15 seconds left to act
Hero bets $0.70
Snow Cheetah has 15 seconds left to act
Snow Cheetah raises to $1.70
Hero has 15 seconds left to act
Hero folds
Easy fold or? I don't think villian would limp with KQ.
Full Tilt Poker Game #17080968811: Table Cochran - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 16:00:33 ET - 2009/12/25
Seat 1: RAISEYOUNUTS ($8.20)
Seat 2: Kyklopen ($10.59)
Seat 3: KirillPetrovi4 ($2)
Seat 4: Xa6 ($4.92)
Seat 5: The Unbelivable ($10.02)
Seat 6: HitMach1ne ($11.67)
Seat 7: zigadooosh ($2)
Seat 8: Hero ($14.10)
Seat 9: Greggee ($3.33)
RAISEYOUNUTS posts the small blind of $0.05
Kyklopen posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #9
Holecards(Odds) Dealt to Hero
The Unbelivable folds
HitMach1ne folds
Hero raises to $0.30
Greggee folds
RAISEYOUNUTS folds
Kyklopen calls $0.20
Kyklopen bets $1.90
Hero has 15 seconds left to act
Hero calls $1.90
River (Pot : $6.65)
Kyklopen has 15 seconds left to act
Kyklopen has requested TIME
Kyklopen bets $4
Hero calls $4
Showdown Kyklopen shows a flush, Ace high
Hero mucks
Kyklopen wins the pot ($13.68) with a flush, Ace high
Hero adds $3.20
Summary Total pot $14.65 | Rake $0.97
Board:
Seat 1: RAISEYOUNUTS (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: Kyklopen (big blind) showed and won ($13.68) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 3: KirillPetrovi4 is sitting out
Seat 4: Xa6 is sitting out
Seat 5: The Unbelivable didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: HitMach1ne didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: zigadooosh is sitting out
Seat 8: Hero mucked - two pair, Aces and Sevens
Seat 9: Greggee (button) didn't bet (folded)
I think I played this REALLY bad. Now that I look back on it I should have repopped the flop or shoved the turn.
Full Tilt Poker Game #17080864983: Table Cochran - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 15:54:33 ET - 2009/12/25
Seat 1: RAISEYOUNUTS ($8.35)
Seat 2: Kyklopen ($10.59)
Seat 3: lajjers ($3.51)
Seat 4: Xa6 ($4.92)
Seat 5: The Unbelivable ($12.07)
Seat 6: HitMach1ne ($10.20)
Seat 7: bonfi91 ($3.45)
Seat 8: Hero ($13.88)
Seat 9: Greggee ($2.99)
RAISEYOUNUTS posts the small blind of $0.05
Kyklopen posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #9
Holecards Dealt to Hero
lajjers folds
Xa6 folds
The Unbelivable has 15 seconds left to act
The Unbelivable calls $0.10
HitMach1ne raises to $0.40
bonfi91 folds
Hero has 15 seconds left to act
Hero calls $0.40
Greggee folds
RAISEYOUNUTS folds
Kyklopen folds
The Unbelivable has 15 seconds left to act
The Unbelivable calls $0.30
Flop (Pot : $1.35)
The Unbelivable bets $0.30
HitMach1ne raises to $1.10
Hero has 15 seconds left to act
Should I have reraised pf? As played, how do we act on flop? Reraise to like $4 or smooth call? If we smooth call how do we act if villian fires again?
Full Tilt Poker Game #17062146625: Table Comp - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 18:37:15 ET - 2009/12/24
Seat 1: Hero ($16.61)
Seat 2: forestry ($11.84)
Seat 3: Takatichto ($2.80)
Seat 4: rabarberdeg ($14.60)
Seat 5: Wanderer488 ($10)
Seat 6: rabzouz93 ($0), is sitting out
Seat 7: Anya1992 ($2)
Seat 8: Ponders ($5.28)
Seat 9: LuAnnMarie ($9.70)
rabarberdeg posts the small blind of $0.05
Wanderer488 posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #3
Holecards Dealt to Hero
Ponders raises to $0.30
LuAnnMarie folds
rabzouz93 stands up
Hero has 15 seconds left to act
Hero calls $0.30
forestry folds
Takatichto folds
rabarberdeg folds
Wanderer488 folds
Ponders bets $0.50
Hero has 15 seconds left to act
Hero raises to $1.50
Ponders has 15 seconds left to act
Ponders raises to $3
Hero has 15 seconds left to act
Hero calls $1.50
River (Pot : $7.15)
Ponders bets $1.78, and is all in
Hero calls $1.78
Villian only has about 50bb's. I probably should have 3bet the flop but as played, do we easily fold to the turn minreraise? Bleh this was a real poorly played hand by me. I think I was just a little tilted by the results. + Show Spoiler +
Full Tilt Poker Game #17040799028: Table Dohm - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 20:27:25 ET - 2009/12/23
Seat 1: imalove ($12.61)
Seat 2: Shadow-R61 ($2)
Seat 3: alex13msk ($2)
Seat 4: DACHSXTWO ($3.90)
Seat 5: Hero ($10.25)
Seat 6: magier-s ($7.93)
Seat 7: craftyst ($2)
Seat 8: lilium ($3.67)
Seat 9: juddy96 ($7.20)
juddy96 posts the small blind of $0.05
imalove posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #8
Holecards Dealt to Hero
DACHSXTWO folds
Hero raises to $0.30
magier-s calls $0.30
lilium folds
juddy96 has 15 seconds left to act
juddy96 has timed out
juddy96 folds
juddy96 is sitting out
imalove has 15 seconds left to act
juddy96 has returned
imalove has timed out
imalove folds
imalove is sitting out
Flop (Pot : $0.75)
imalove has returned
Hero bets $0.50
magier-s calls $0.50
Turn (Pot : $1.75)
Hero bets $1.20
magier-s calls $1.20
River (Pot : $4.15)
Hero has 15 seconds left to act
Hero checks
magier-s has 15 seconds left to act
magier-s bets $5.93, and is all in
I really didn't like that river card. My plan here was check calling but the all in just seemed so fishy. Is check fold our only option here? Would betting the river here be stupid? If I do bet out, how much do I bet?
Hero bets $0.50
snopo has 15 seconds left to act
snopo calls $0.50
Turn (Pot : $1.75)
Hero has 15 seconds left to act
Hero bets $1.10
snopo calls $1.10
River (Pot : $3.95)
Hero bets $1.50
snopo raises to $8.45
Hero has 15 seconds left to act
Hero has requested TIME
I know I should have bet larger on the flop/turn, but as played, is this a easy fold? Say if we had bet bigger on both the flop and turn and villian acts the same on river, is it a fold?
I just bought a ps3 about a month ago and finally have internet working on it, so now I've been playing a bunch of modern warfare 2 online. If any of you guys are on there, feel free to add me as a friend: WisdomNine and just let me know who you are and i'll add you back. I'm kinda newbie at fps games so I'm happy to drag any of you guys' teams down
Well its finally cold enogh up here to play some good old pond hockey with the boys... sorta lol. Today I was playing witha bunch of my buddies and I fuckin fell right through the ice. I was panicing for like 5 seconds then I realized I could touch the bottom lol. My buddy pulled me out and it was all good. Except that I was freezing cold. Good thign my buddy lived just around the corner. Went and dried all my shit off and then got back to the pond and played a few dirty games. Cant wait to play a few more games before I Get back.
Notes of Fee's 6max Guideby Mariuslol, December 28
Preface
- Mix up ur starting range depending on the table, if a lot of loose/passive guys, make it tighter. If a lot of tight people, open up more hands.
- Bluffing less often (including semi bluffs), and value bet thinly with 1 pair hands, in loose games.
- In tighter games, exploit oponents tendency to fold more, semi bluff more as we find more fold quity.
* Loose players will search for an excuse to call, whereas a tight player will look for an excuse
to fold.
Table Selection
- Look for players that play to many hands, anything over 40% is great, 30% is fine too.
- Stacksizes: Full stacks to your right, short stacks and nits to your left.
- Losing/Break even Regulars: Feel free to join tables with them, develop strong reads. Don't play more than 4-5 tables. Avoid winning players.
- As a general guideline, better to play with a bunch of passive/weak/tight players than one super fish with 80% vip and 4 other regulars.
“Poker is simple, as your opponents make mistakes, you profit.”
- Against Loose/Bad players, generally you wnt to play straight forward solid poker
- Against Tight/Good players you want to mix up and play a more deceptive style. Do not make the mistake that every 20/17 multi tabling tag is tight AND good.
* Against these types of players you want to lean toward looser pre flop, and solid/tight postflop
* Let them make mistake, forcing them is not necessary.
Preflop
UtgUnder The gun (Utg)
- Your Utg range should be the tightest of the four non-blind positions.
- General starting range on a table of some fish and some regulars:
* 22+ (all pairs)
* ATs+ (meaning ATs, AJs, AQs, AKs) (s meaning suited)
* AJo+ (meaning AJo, AQo, AKo) (o meaning offsuit)
* 98s+ (meaning 98s, T9s, JTs, QJs, etc)
* KQo
* KQs
* KJs+ (KJs and Aqs [which was already covered]) (meaning suited 1 gappers)
- This will account for 13% of hands and is a conservative but very solid and profitable preflop
raising range.
Adjusting
Loose games
- Add hands like KJo or ATo, because you can make 1 pair type hands and extract value from
players calling with weaker top pair hands or second pair hands.
Tight games
- Include hands such as 65s+ or A5s. These hands widen your range against likely better players and make you a more difficult and tricky opponent.
Stack Sizes
- Against short stacks, avoid 22-55 89s type hands, replace with Kjo, Qjo, A9s etc. Because these players simply looking for top pair and pushing all in
Middle Position (MP)
- Very similar to UTG, but you can incorporate a few more hands
This accounts for about 15% of total hands. Just like UTG this range can be manipulated
based on the game quality.
Adjusting
Loose games:
- You generally want to avoid things like A9o, as its potential is very small. Just like UTG you
can still profitably raise 98s and T9s, just do it less frequently.
Tight Games:
- These games you can open up more from this position, include;
* 65s+
* A8s, A5s
* QTs
Isolating
- Have to be careful to isolate from this position. Even the fish are at their tighest range when limping utg
- Look at the table, if 2 aggro people behind you, err on the side of folding, to avoid marginal spot.
- If there are fishes in the blinds, and you don't get 3bet, played back at a lot behind you, go for it
3 betting:
- In general you should be 3betting far more in position that OOP.
- The only person you can 3bet in MP is UTG. You need to be very cautious when 3betting an
UTG opener, because this is where their raising range is likely the tightest.
The situational are very marginal, and player dependant, and you should be more inclined to do it in position.
Light 3 bets
* 56s-QJs
* Axs (x should = 5 most often, as you will be able to flop gutshot+FD+over type
hands,but 4-T are all fine as well)
* 22-77
* KQo
* Ajo
- It will generally be more profitable to call with small pocket pairs, but once in a while they make good light 3 bet candidates
- You generally want to 3bet an UTG opener with 56-T9s or Axs because with the SC's
you will generally avoid second best hands and have tremendous flop potential.
* The Axs
hands will block combinations of AA and AK (which will help avoid him 4betting you)
* Avoid all other hands as they will form second best hands
often and get you in marginal spots.
- We want to 3bet with a 80/20 ratio, 80% for value, and 20% for bluffs.
Stack Sizes
- Just like UTG adjust your raising ranges depending on stack sizes, avoid hands like 22-66 and 98s, and instead substitute in
hands like KJo, QJo, A9s, ATo
Felt like I was never gonna win one of these in past few days. This takes a massive weight of my shoulders and gives me a much needed boost of confidence. I said I did not want to be results orientated and I know downswings at these games can be long. But had to post first win of the week. It was a very long epic FT, and I really enjoyed it. My game shines when it reaches the money. Just have to survive all the suckouts prior to that.
Off to do shit round house, then grinding more this evening.
Okay time to introduce myself, I've been playing poker on and off since High School but started playing online back in October. The journey has been pretty much up and down so far, but I felt quite comfortable with 2nl so I decided to go to Atlantic City and try out my luck last Saturday. 1/2nl live was quite soft, made the easiest 100 bucks in my life time. After I got back to New York I went on a pretty hot streak and proceeded to overcome my 2nl hurdle and doubled my bankroll in 13 hour 24 tabling action. Now moving on to 5nl, excited!
Well then...I started with $100 a couple weeks back and turned it into $880, which I then tilted off at 10/20 and 15/30 FL. I can afford to do it since I have a good paying job..but I enjoy the satisfaction of kickin some ass. Anyway..i redeposited 600 on stars and now I'm up to 1076. My question is ..I've been a marginal winner at 50NL after only 6k hands and a loser at 25NL over 25k hands...with less than 25 bi for 50nl but close to it ..do I continue at 50nl or drop back to 25nl and work on my game? Thanks for input
Well, after being spanked around the first little bit I have rallied very substaintially the 2 weeks, its nice having lots of free time and no work/school for a month :D.
Sometimes you just have to put your head down and grind through the variance and what seems like an endless asskicking from the poker gods.
Anyways no need to make this too long, I will do a year end update in a couple of days.
Is learning NL the way to go?by PillPoppin, December 28
Hello lp, been lurking for a few months now, finally decided to make an account.
Anywho, Ive been doing pretty well at Limit Hold'em microstakes recently, been able to make a fairly consistent 5-10 big bets/hour on .25/.50 limit FR on stars per table (cant rly handle more than 4). But ive been feeling like branching out.
There seems to be this recurring idea of edges slowly going away in NLHE, and while I don't want to miss out on the most popular form of poker, I don't want to just be doomed to living off of rakeback or what have you.
The only other game ive had some decent success (at the lowest stakes mind you) is .05/.10 HORSE on full tilt.
My question is, would it be a better investment of my time to just stick to limit hold'em, to go ahead and learn how to play Omaha8, stud8, stud, and razz well (rather than just playing tight and capitalizing on ppl who are clueless about those games), or to give NL a try?
One factor I can think of is that there seems to be a lot better poker literature on limit games out there than there is about NL (seems like the vast majority of this forum disapproves of all NL books that are geared towards beginners).
Seriously, been playing it on repeat nonstop. Sick grind music.
Anyway, continuing the 180man sit and go grind today. Think im running sick bad at the moment. Getting my hands in good and getting suck out alot. Hilarious shit. You just wouldn't believe it. But fuck short term results. I think I am also not playing my best. Folding too much on turn after being called on flop. I need to improve.
Made a stupid shove in the daily 30k last night, shoving 55 with 19bbs over an UTG x 2.5 raiser who i had only 2 hands on, who had 3 times my stack. He called with 99. Results orientated. No? Bad time to make a shove like that on someone who I have no info on.
Anyway, Im grinding these 180man all week or untill i go bust.