Poker in the Rear

Sat at a table with a HUGE fish and managed to get sucked out in every hand I hit vs him. And then when he did the same donk moves to other people on the table, their hands held. So he was basically a middle man for me to donate all my money to the rest of the table, cause he wasn't keeping any and I sure as hell wasn't making any.

Now, on this hand, 2nd set vs flush coming on the turn with an aggro image, I think I have to push here even if we are both nice and deep.

Submitted by : k2o4

PokerStars Game #14565177286: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2008/01/14 - 22:04:25 (ET)
Table 'Katanga III' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: digdog166 ($220.15 in chips)
Seat 2: philds3 ($177.45 in chips)
Seat 3: C.M. Burns ($48.25 in chips)
Seat 4: k2o4 ($268.80 in chips)
Seat 5: Yakuza520 ($142.05 in chips)
Seat 6: msbigcub ($28.20 in chips)
msbigcub: posts small blind $0.50
digdog166: posts big blind $1

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to k2o4
philds3: folds
C.M. Burns: folds
k2o4 : raises $2.50 to $3.50
Yakuza520: folds
msbigcub: folds
digdog166: calls $2.50

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $7.50)

   
digdog166: checks
k2o4 : bets $6
digdog166: calls $6

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $19.50)

   
digdog166: checks
k2o4 : bets $14.50
digdog166: raises $17.50 to $32
k2o4 : raises $227.30 to $259.30 and is all-in
digdog166: calls $178.65 and is all-in

River (Pot : $440.80)

   

Showdown
digdog166: shows (a flush, Ace high)
k2o4 : mucks hand
digdog166 collected $437.80 from pot

Summary
Total pot $440.80 | Rake $3
Board  
Seat 1: digdog166 (big blind) showed and won ($437.80) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 2: philds3 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: C.M. Burns folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: k2o4 mucked
Seat 5: Yakuza520 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: msbigcub (small blind) folded before Flop

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I had a serious tilt session on Thursday night and the worst part is that I couldn't get myself to just shot down Stars... So once I finally got away from the computer I felt like shit cause I knew I'd played too long while playing badly. To get over the pain I started watching season 1 of Heroes.

So for the last 36 hours all I've done is eat, sleep and watch Heroes. Sweet. The first 2 episodes kinda sucked, but the third one got the story going and from the fourth one on it's been an awesome ride. Got like 3 episodes left for the first season, and I've started to DL the second season episodes too.

Nothing like watching a full season of a fun show to get rid of that tilty feeling. I feel a million times better and know that when I go back to the tables I can do it with a fresh start and a clear head. I plan to get back into the swing of things tonight... I just wanna get through the last 3 episodes first. Gotta find out what happens!

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Things have been going well and I've been consistently winning over the last 7,500 hands or so with a small 1,500 hand downswing. I've gotten into the habit of playing shorter session which are usually around 500 hands (normally about 1 hour). I find if I keep playing beyond that I get sloppy, and for some reason I keep starting to feel like I'm not on my game and when I check I've played somewhere between 450 and 550 hands pretty often.

I have been playing 1-2 sessions a day since January 1st so I'm playing 500-1,000 hands a day. Not a lot but 4-5 tabling I feel like it's not bad. The results are great so far and I'm up about $2,700 @ NL100 so far this month.

Now I'm getting close to the move up to NL200 as I plan to start taking shots @ a $6,000 BR. I definitely know that I've run well so far this month and have scored even bigger thanks to the many bad players @ NL100. I am definitely going to make the move up to NL200 when I hit 6,000 but I want to go into it with my eyes open so that I don't get crushed.

I'd love to hear some thoughts from people who have recently moved to NL200 on PS about what the differences are, if any. I'd also love to hear from anyone who has moved back and forth between NL200/NL100 before to hear what they think the differences are. I feel good about how I'm playing even though it still needs a lot of work. I just am curious if my play is going to be good enough @ NL200. I know that when I first moved to NL100 I felt like I was way outclassed.

Cheers

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Ran well again. That was a short downswing. WooT!





That puts the BR @ about $4,900. The plan is to start taking shots @ NL200 when I make it up to $6,000. A bit nitty but I expect a solid change in competition and want to have a good cushion. I'm determined to get solidly into NL200 by the end of this month. I know I am definitely running amazingly well @ NL100 right now, but I do think part of it has been this new LAG style which has tilted people into spewing off stacks much more than I ever used to be able to induce.

I also just learned about how Myth does his coaching and wish I was in that situation. I know for sure that right now I want a coach and if I'm not winning in NL400 by the time he gets done with his 2 students, then I will definitely be doing all I can to get him to coach me. I might do it even if I am winning cause he's a great player and what he's offering is the perfect type of coaching for me.

I also sent an application in for the Cardrunners protege search. Nothing has been announced yet and I think my chances are pretty slim in that huge field of applicants. I put a lot of effort into that application but I wasn't as creative as some of the others and have a feeling mines gonna get lost in the mix. But if I do get chosen I'll be pretty much the happiest guy in the entire world.

On the personal life things are good with my GF and we're apartment hunting. Thinking of maybe getting a 2 bedroom place near the office since it's a cheap part of town and we can make the 2nd bedroom into the "poker office" for me. I think we'll set her a desk in there too, but it will be my poker den in my head, hehe.

So now I'm off to go through my hands from the second session tonight and find out what I did wrong. I'm sure there's plenty of it!

EDIT: Here's my hands that I have Q's on from the second session. Gonna post em up in threads on the forumz later, but I'm tired now and just want to get em down somewhere before I got to sleep. Hands are in the spoilers like usual.

1) I know that you gotta get a set all in on the flop whenever possible. My question is that when it's a 3 connected board like this and a passive player is getting active, and you're both a bit deep, does that idea still apply? I'm pretty sure it does but I want to ask now in case I'm wrong so I don't repeat it in the future.

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2) I had been pretty active raising hands and the previous hand I'd checked with Tp and a good kicker on the flop and won the hand at showdown after getting aggressive on the turn. So when he raised I thought he may be thinking that I was cbetting weak since I was slowplaying top pair before. I guess I'm jumping up too many levels eh? So I decided to repop and when he shoved I figured I was probably vs a set or an overpair. Vs a set I was drawing dead and vs an overpair I had 5 outs, figured it was better to just fold here. Do I need to call cause of the odds?

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3) This guy was a standard TAG with a high Cbet percentage and a low double barrell percentage. I decided to float him here but that may have been a really bad idea since it was a 3bet pot. I folded the turn cause I didn't think he'd hit the second barrell with air. Thoughts?

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4) I felt like he was weak with his flop bet but his call of my raise confused me a bit. Hitting the king I figured I was best but also figured I was only getting a call there from a flush, and wanted to check for pot control. I normally bet in this spot but I guess I've gotten a bit scared - is that the right move? Anyway, then on the river I figure my turn check is inducing a bluff and I have to pay off a 1/3 pot bet.

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5) Here's a similar spot but this time I hit the turn figuring that I don't want to give a draw to a flush for free and that a call from him there means I will check behind on the river. Meh, not sure I like handling it this way either!

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6) Bad time to check the turn? I figure there's not much he can be on and he folds things like queens on the turn to a bet. I felt like I get more value out of him by checking the turn and calling the river. Also mixes up my lines a bit.

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Managed to loose 4.5 buyins yesterday. I'd say 2.5 were due to running bad, but 2 were definitely due to tilt/stupidity. The first session was the worst as I lost 3.5 buyins. The sudden shock of EVERYTHING failing threw me off and I started to tilt a bit and threw 2.5 buyins away. Serious donation.

Soon as I saw that tilt overtaking me I closed PS asaply and played some COD4. Then I came back calmed down and proceeded to play quite well but still lost another 2 buyins.

Today's gone better and I've won back a little over 2 buyins. Plan to do another session after this post. But I realized while reviewing the earlier session that I lost most of the unnecessary money through bad river bets. I made a post on the forumz but I'm gonna repost it here to get maximum exposure.

I also filmed this last session and am planning to upload the vid tonight while sleeping. I'll probably post it up tomorrow and am hoping to get some advice. I've kept most of my vids to a close group of friends until now but I wanted to see if anything good comes from opening it up to a larger audience. It will probably get like 5 DL's and 2 comments, but it's worth a shot =)

Here's the hands from earlier tonight (they're in the spoilers):

1) Villian running 28/1/0.6 and was a total station. I figured he'd play it like this no matter what hand he had, be it a shit ace or a pocket pair. I was playing very lag about 35/30 or so. I figured I'm good here a large amount of the time. His river raise definitely stood out but at that point I was pretty committed. If he'd raised the turn I can find a fold, but meh, not sure what to think about this.

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2) Villian running 40/2/.5 or so and I didn't have him pegged as a station but rather as someone who'd fold the flop pretty often... I put him on an A, maybe AJ, and maybe a pair with a str8 draw. I was betting for value. I think the river bet was a bad idea. At the time I figured I wouldn't bet pot or stack off since he'd probably only call that with a hand like AQ for the str8. But now looking back, I think this may be a situation where checking behind on the river is the better part of valor, or at least a much smaller bet? I dunno..

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3) This villian was running 62/7/.5. I originally put him on either a weaker A or a flush draw. Felt it was pretty much the same on the turn. Then on the river I thought the same and went for value. I think that was a mistake. My hand wasn't that strong and I don't see many hands worse calling me there. A lot of weaker aces have made 2pair... the flush didn't come so a flush draw is probably folding. Of course a set/2pair is coming along, and maybe a stronger ace. I think this was a time to check behind. Thoughts?

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I gotta be running hot. I am pretty sure that my LAG style has an edge @ NL100, but not THIS big. Ever since I started playing LAG on the 1st of January things have been going amazingly well. My last 2 sessions have been huge thanks to my newfound ability to FOLD in bad spots. I have also won a few flips which is definitely putting me ahead, but I think I'd still be winning even if I ran bad in them, just not @ such a huge level. Tonight was especially good since people were just donking off chips left and right. Sadly most of them were shortstacks... and I was running hot vs shortstacks which is nice but it sucks since I'm getting lucky in spots where there's not much profit. I'd much rather run well vs large stacks and bad vs shortstacks.

But fuck man, this sux. Last time I ran like this was when first moved to NL50. I was super hot and it was great but man o man, when I started losing again it really blew. I'm also looking at pokerEV and I'm looking break even in there... gay. I don't like the main graph's for pokerEV anymore cause it can't really take into account situations where you put them on a pretty accurate range and get it all in, but they have the least likely hand in their range. So it's a spot you should definitely push but all pokerEV knows is you got in with the worst of it so that's what it graph's. I like the all-in luck graph a bit better since it's just very clearly showing all-in situations, but it's still not perfect. It just shows if you sucked out/got sucked out on, not whether you made a good read and play based on the situation vs his range.

With all that, I still do feel like I'm running quite well. Not getting many set over set's or shit like that, and I especially tonight I hit most all of my draws. But that was mostly only in fights vs shortstacks where I pretty much won when best in big pots and lost when worst.

I just really hope that my success playing LAG isn't some sorta crazy heater rather than good play. I feel like I'm playing well and am only doing 4-5 tables and really paying very close attention to everything and trying to make the best decisions for the longterm. But I dunno, pokerEV just put some doubt in me. DAMN YOU POKEREV! I will keep posting hands and maybe make some videos of me playing so that good players can watch my overall game and see if I'm just luck-sacking my way through right now.

Anyway, here's tonights session:




And here's January so far since I started playing LAG (Pokergrapher keeps freezing so no regular graph):








Here are most of my big winners of the night and reasons I played them. Plz tell me if it seems like I'm luckboxing or not:

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/353356 - Villain was super laggy and I'd seen him overbet the pot like that before and everyone folded. I felt like he was bluffing there and went with it. Checked in PT and I was ahead 56 to 44 on the flop, so it was a flop. I honestly expected him to fold and maybe call with a draw.

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/353364 - I'd seen him being pretty crazy so I figured it was ok to call the 4bet with position. After that flop I knew I was going all the way and snap called his push. I figured my A was good, hearts were good, T was probably good and maybe even the Q.

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/353358 - This guy was being very LAG, 3 betting me a lot, and had been aggro on the flop on scary boards w/ Air before. He's the guy who 4bet me with small suited 1gaps earlier and pushed on a 3 suited board. I honestly felt I'd take it with a Check-Raise. When he pushed I went "shit I'm behind" but felt that with the pot odds and the high chance that he'd do that with any pair 7 and up I had to call and got lucky.

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/353365 - Standard AA vs AK and A flops.

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/353367 - Standard AK vs AT when A flops and I induce his shove.

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/353368 - Again another standard AK vs AT and I bet it all the way. I'd been pretty good about building a maniacal image and felt he'd definitely call me down with any ace and maybe even a Q.

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/353369 - Not any real history vs this guy but he was pretty tight. I figured he'd repop me pre w/ AA or KK. When he flat'd and I saw that flop I felt I had to make a bet @ it and represent AA / KK and maybe fold out JJ and lower while having 6 outs vs QQ. Of course I had to call his raise. I felt that it was either check/fold or bet out cause a CR he'd be pot committed. Got lucky.

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/353370 - Again, standard 2pair vs TpTk and we get it in on the flop.


So those are my 8 biggest wins of the night. Half were standard and the rest seemed overall pretty good to me. The I checked a few more of my winners that are just below these and they're standard things like KK vs 22. So I don't FEEL like a luckbox!

Oh well, thanks for any comments. I think I'm doing ok and that LAG is working out very well for me =)

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It was a rocky transition up as I ran cold, then ran stupid, then dropped back to NL50, then played well and ran ok and have stuck to it ever since. I've opened up my game a lot and become semi LAG. Added a lot more moves and good bluffs thanks to my hand reading skills going up like crazy. Putting in a decent amount of hands, about 3,500 over the last 4 days. I feel like I'm soaking up a lot of lessons and doing a good job of reviewing my results. I spend more time studying poker than I do playing, which I think is an OK thing to do.

My main problem is that I have these spewy tilty sessions. Earlier today I got on and just aggro donked my way into a several buyin loss. Didn't win any pots but got stacked like 3 times. Realized that I was tilting and got away to play some COD4 and eat dinner with the GF. Once I'd chilled out I came back and won it all back and an extra $375 on top of it. So I basically turned a 6-7 buyin session into a 4 buyin one. I hate myself for that and really wish I'd gotten off the tables earlier cause I knew I wasn't playing my best but I told myself to refocus and try a bit longer. I should have just left right away. I keep having a great session and then an idiotic/tilty one. If I just dumped these bad sessions I'd be cruising.

On a personal level I'm spending more quality time with my GF which is great. Definitely wishing that House, PrisonBreak and 24 were back on the air. House is the only quality show out of the 3, and PrisonBreak is definitely the worst, but I've been watching them forever and don't want to bother learning new shows. So when I need some mindless entertainment those are the guys I go to. But no new episodes for any of them to torrent so I don't watch anything anymore. I tried watching real TV today and just channel surfed for 30 minutes, then turned it off.

Anyway, here's some screens and wutnot of my entire time @ NL100.








Oh, and here's my sickest bad beat ever - it was so disgusting that I loved it to death.

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/352386

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I want either him or Edwards... I'm so glad Hillary got 3rd! Keep her far away.

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Well after playing a marginal winning session (about 2 buyins) earlier tonight where I dumped about half my winnings away in the last 5 minutes, I felt hopeless. I sat down a few hours later and inspired by a comment Myth made in one of my hand threads about playing 30% of his hands, I decided to really go for it with some LAG play. I've always been a pretty wussy LAG whenever I try it and end up reverting to TAG play. Hell, my lag attempts usually turn out with me playing 20/18 which is pretty much good TAG play, and when I try to play TAG I'm like 17/14.

It was a weird experience but after establishing the image I was able to push my big hands all-in and get calls where I used to get folds. I played many draws like the nuts and did make a few mistakes with bad pushes and I must have gotten stacked at least 5 times during the session, but I found lot's of good spots to bluff and triple barrel profitably on top of getting paid off on good hands. It was a really nice session and I think I sucked out just about as much as I got sucked out on.

Here's the stats and all that jazz for today overall. I think this second session was about 6 buyins while the first was about 2.






It really felt like playing LAG was starting to make sense. I hope I'm not just lucksacking my way through. I definitely have a LOT more to learn and am gonna go whore some more CR vids, but it was the best feeling session I've had in ages. I would have come out with about 11 buyins if not for 2 really stupid pushes where I wanted to reverse time and undo them the second I made them. hehe.


EDIT: adding my 7 biggest losing hands. advice is much appreciated!

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/350881 - bad push. very bad push.

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/350882 - bad read and bad bluff. I thought he was weak enough to push off for some reason. this was early in the session and I feel I learned a big lesson from it.

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/350883 - had history with him and had been very aggro and he'd been playing back. I thought he'd come with me very light and he'd also been raising my Cbets a lot. This helped set up another push later where I stacked him 150BB deep, so I dunno if it's sooo bad.

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/350884 - cooler imo - think I have to push the river... but maybe check/call it?

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/350885 - think I could have found a fold here but didn't stop to think after he CR'd Ai

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/350887 - cooler again I think - felt like a good call

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/350888 - guy was pretty lag and I thought I might induce him to bet it all the way with a smaller PP. = dunno, probably a lot of reasons this was a mistake.

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Had a great start to my session today and got up 4 buyins very quickly, but then donked it off at the end. I keep calling down in bad spots or pushing it all in on bluffs that fail horrendously. I'm getting owned by people who slowplay is what it comes down to. Damn. Was going through hands to post but got frustrated and didn't finish putting em all together. Here's the ones I got together:

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/350551 - not sure how to handle this turn. should I have raised the flop? Calling the flop allows AK to hit on the turn. Guy was TAG so I figured he would triple barrell AA/KK/AQ, and if AK hit on the turn he'd keep betting. JJ he'd slow down on the turn and fold to a turn bet, and he might fold AA/KK to a turn bet after his check there. I dunno, just felt like a good spot to keep calling, but not sure if it was.


http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/350557 - check behind on this turn? Then push river?

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/350558 - first raiser was kinda loose, 3bettor was TAG... do I squeeze this? do I push? Or is the fold ok?



Garrhhh!

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