Lemon

wtf my gfs chinese laptop.

short version: got flu, mb swine, its no free grind time at all and i have 0 power- watchn dc vids all wknd, my gf is taking care of me.

HF guys

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Dealing with bad run of cards and not spewing excessively when you lose em' all is what will always divide the big winners from breakeven grinder zombies.

Here goes the

Add your points, and challenge the existing ones.

1) Strict Stop loss - 3BI or even 2BI. Why? When you run bad you obviously start thinking about it and any suckout's impact on your mentality will be much higher. Also, move down when you lose 10 or more BI at your limit, or when you hit a 'point of no return' when you are not comfortably rolled for your limit.

2) Cut down on tables - You run bad, your losses will just multiply

3) Brutal table selection on very few tables - You need to have as big of an edge as you can, and use it to your maximum potential.
You might get more tilted when the fish suckout on you a lot(as expected when you run bad), but overall the impact of a cold deck should be smaller if you run 10bb/100 against your villains under neutral conditions than when you play regs.

4) Focus on your play, not results.
-Don't look at your BR unless you are checking if stop loss is in place. Review your hands after the session and check if the suckouts were not in fact your mistakes that you didn't realise. (E.G. you have a straight and villain obvious fullhouse on a paired board, but you call anyway for 3/4 pot shove as you think that this can't happen again)




Disclaimer: I am reposting this as I was largely misunderstood in my previous post and people took me posting my graph as a rant about variance and not a mere impulse to write down some pointers for the times when you suddenly start to hit a run of bad cards/are doom switched.
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So its finally here... a doomswitch.
Its not just the EV, far from it, I simply have the worse hand like 90% of the time.
+ Show Spoiler +

But whatever, this is poker and I have been running soo hot past 2 weeks.
Today I didn't deal with it well as I was tired, and I continued to play at 9 to 12 tables, and I made one bad call when I had a straight, the board paired on he river and he obviously had it.

Anyway, as this can end tomorrow, but I also can be pwned by the deck for weeks, lets all pull together.
DOOMSWITCH BUSTING GUIDELINES


1) Strict Stop loss - 3BI or even 2BI. Why? When you run bad you obviously start thinking about it and any suckout's impact on your mentality will be much higher. Also, move down when you lose 10 or more BI at your limit, or when you hit a 'point of no return' when you are not comfortably rolled for your limit.

2) Cut down on tables - You run bad, your losses will just multiply

3) Brutal table selection on very few tables - You need to have as big of an edge as you can, and use it to your maximum potential.
You might get more tilted when the fish suckout on you a lot(as expected when you run bad), but overall the impact of a cold deck should be smaller if you run 10bb/100 against your villains under neutral conditions than when you play regs.

4) Focus on your play, not results.
-Don't look at your BR unless you are checking if stop loss is in place. Review your hands after the session and check if the suckouts were not in fact your mistakes that you didn't realise. (E.G. you have a straight and villain obvious fullhouse on a paired board, but you call anyway for 3/4 pot shove as you think that this can't happen again)

Obviously its hard to focus on all these points when you have been crushing anything and everyone like Chuck Norris in the the past, but dealing with bad run of cards and not spewing excessively is what will always divide the big winners from breakeven grinder zombies.




Please add your points on How to Pwn doomswitch rules, and we can potentially move it to Main Poker if some good ideas are collected.

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I have played 40 hours of poker in like 9 days, which is A LOT when you have a full time job.
My success has been enormous, and I have had the most epic month so far ever.
But...I need a break. Seriously, as I am reaching the burnout phase again and playing equals spewing only (see my previous blog)

But its so hard not to come home, auto open my comp and auto jump to LP, what if I miss anything new right?

So I am asking you guys, what do you do when you want to take your mind completely off poker?
Movies and DVDs are no good as I watch them on my PC (and I get bored so often->Open LP-> Play 2 tables while watching.

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Yesterday's hands:
Submitted by : LemOn[5thF]

PokerStars Game #35441377124: Holdem No Limit ($0.25/$0.50 USD) - 2009/11/16 14:36:11 ET
Table Norma III 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Hero ($80.45 in chips)
Seat 2: GER-ICEBEAR ($50 in chips)
Seat 3: Tavria8 ($50 in chips)
Seat 4: kijohna ($54.25 in chips)
Seat 5: johanve12 ($50 in chips)
Seat 6: iliesilies ($41.45 in chips)
Tavria8: posts small blind $0.25
kijohna: posts big blind $0.50

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to Hero
johanve12: folds
iliesilies: folds
Hero: raises $1 to $1.50
GER-ICEBEAR: folds
Tavria8: raises $3.50 to $5
kijohna: folds
Hero: calls $3.50

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $10.50)

   
Tavria8: bets $7
Hero: calls $7

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $24.50)

   
Tavria8: bets $17
Hero: calls $17

River (Pot : $58.50)

   
Tavria8: bets $21 and is all-in
Hero: calls $21

Showdown
Tavria8: shows (a pair of Aces)
Hero: shows (a pair of Kings)
Tavria8 collected $97.50 from pot

Summary
Total pot $100.50 | Rake $3
Board  
Seat 1: Hero showed and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 2: GER-ICEBEAR (button) folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 3: Tavria8 (small blind) showed and won ($97.50) with a pair of Aces
Seat 4: kijohna (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: johanve12 folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 6: iliesilies folded before Flop (didnt bet)

PokerStars Game #35441102149: Holdem No Limit ($0.25/$0.50 USD) - 2009/11/16 14:30:29 ET
Table Nunki III 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: Hero ($64.35 in chips)
Seat 2: roheni ($58.15 in chips)
Seat 3: slijmpie ($47 in chips)
Seat 4: DeepStrauss ($51.80 in chips)
Seat 5: jaydoc ($55.65 in chips)
Seat 6: Momess ($50 in chips)
jaydoc: posts small blind $0.25
Momess: posts big blind $0.50

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to Hero
Hero: raises $0.50 to $1
roheni: raises $3 to $4
slijmpie: folds
DeepStrauss: folds
jaydoc: folds
Momess: folds
Hero: raises $6 to $10
roheni: raises $48.15 to $58.15 and is all-in
Hero: calls $48.15

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $117.05)

   

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $117.05)

   

River (Pot : $117.05)

   

Showdown
Hero: shows (high card Queen)
roheni: shows (a pair of Queens)
roheni collected $114.05 from pot

Summary
Total pot $117.05 | Rake $3
Board  
Seat 1: Hero showed and lost with high card Queen
Seat 2: roheni showed and won ($114.05) with a pair of Queens
Seat 3: slijmpie folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 4: DeepStrauss (button) folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 5: jaydoc (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: Momess (big blind) folded before Flop

PokerStars Game #35439326297: Holdem No Limit ($0.25/$0.50 USD) - 2009/11/16 13:51:01 ET
Table Nunki III 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Hero ($55.70 in chips)
Seat 2: FR3SH777 ($92.90 in chips)
Seat 3: rudd4y ($50 in chips)
Seat 4: DeepStrauss ($50 in chips)
Seat 5: jaydoc ($57.85 in chips)
Seat 6: hansisch ($4.25 in chips)
DeepStrauss: posts small blind $0.25
jaydoc: posts big blind $0.50

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to Hero
hansisch: folds
Hero: raises $1.50 to $2
FR3SH777: calls $2
rudd4y: raises $5 to $7
DeepStrauss: folds
jaydoc: folds
Hero: raises $11 to $18
FR3SH777: folds
rudd4y: raises $32 to $50 and is all-in
Hero: calls $32

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $102.75)

   

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $102.75)

   

River (Pot : $102.75)

   

Showdown
Hero: shows (a pair of Deuces)
rudd4y: shows (two pair, Queens and Deuces)
rudd4y collected $99.75 from pot
FR3SH777 said, "???"
FR3SH777 said, "vnh"

Summary
Total pot $102.75 | Rake $3
Board  
Seat 1: Hero showed and lost with a pair of Deuces
Seat 2: FR3SH777 folded before Flop
Seat 3: rudd4y (button) showed and won ($99.75) with two pair, Queens and Deuces
Seat 4: DeepStrauss (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: jaydoc (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: hansisch folded before Flop (didnt bet)

PokerStars Game #35440541582: Holdem No Limit ($0.25/$0.50 USD) - 2009/11/16 14:18:49 ET
Table Nunki III 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Hero ($54.90 in chips)
Seat 2: roheni ($51.35 in chips)
Seat 3: rudd4y ($109.35 in chips)
Seat 4: DeepStrauss ($52.55 in chips)
Seat 5: jaydoc ($59.85 in chips)
Seat 6: Momess ($57.50 in chips)
Momess: posts small blind $0.25
Hero: posts big blind $0.50

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
roheni: folds
rudd4y: folds
rudd4y leaves the table
DeepStrauss: folds
jaydoc: folds
Momess: raises $1 to $1.50
Hero: calls $1

Flop (Pot : $3.00)

   
Momess: bets $1.50
Hero: calls $1.50

Turn (Pot : $6.00)

   
Momess: bets $3
Hero: calls $3

River (Pot : $12.00)

   
Momess: checks
Hero: bets $48.90 and is all-in
slijmpie joins the table at seat #3
Momess: folds
Uncalled bet ($48.90) returned to Hero
Hero collected $11.45 from pot
Hero: shows (high card Ace)

Summary
Total pot $12 | Rake $0.55
Board  
Seat 1: Hero (big blind) collected ($11.45)
Seat 2: roheni folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 3: rudd4y folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 4: DeepStrauss folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 5: jaydoc (button) folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 6: Momess (small blind) folded on the River

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I moved up to NL50 today with 50BI to be a little bit on the cautious side. Really a thin shot but hey, I can always move down when I lose a couple BI right?

As I am Steady Eddie, The Grinder, I played whopping 5 hours and played more hands than Doyle Brunson can play in two days nonstop.
Really my brain is spinning from all the hands I played and my multitasking skills were pushed to the max.
Winrate was somewhat ok, I guess it always can be worse so I don't complain.




Thanks for reading this far, and good night.

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So I open my PTR today and I have newly been assigned a tag of STEADY EDDIE



From now on, stop calling me retarded spewmonkey, and call me Steady Eddie instead please.
(E.G. Steady Eddie shoved with his gutshot, Steady Eddie 4bet bluffed 72o again etc.)



P.S. Thank you GGPLZ, Genjix and SmallfryBigF for a nice home game.
Not the ideal villains as I was taking a shot at NL50 after 3 months today, but we certainly had some good fun

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Today's games started as shit.

I rape NL25 usually, and I still got a ton of value out of fish, but I also lost 3x 90% Equity, 2%70% and one KKvTT.
I went to NL10 and I got flush under flush and other stuff.
Down $30 with a huge amount of successful value bets and almost all successful really thin bluffs
Then I started SN freerol and busted in my second orbit as usual.

Luckbox
After last week my GF won $9 in the 100FPP tourney, I set myself a goal of beating that huge score.
It went alright, but I was soon crippled to 6BB stack.

But then poker gods started compensating for my shitty run during the day and these two consecutive hands happened:

+ Show Spoiler +

L-O-L, what can I say.
After that I started to take it a little bit more seriously, and as I don't know squat about tournaments, I opened Pokerstrategy and their MTT section for Bronze Stars (NL2 players level).
I literally went by the book and played every single hand by their charts, only slightly adjusting if someone was playing very non-standard.

The only time when I didn't play by the chart was on the bubble when I had top2 stack, where everyone was so damn scared.

Then the FT came and I only played strong hands as I was always in top4 stacks, and I passed on many spots where I would autoraise in cash games.
I did play very tight and did not abuse everybody as I do in 6MAX cash, but guess its not that bad at this level.

One hand was really unlucky for me, and I could have aimed at the first place if it turned out better:
+ Show Spoiler +

Bustoed (For $1400)
by the time when it was 4 handed I didn't really care about the $300 difference, and I wanted to have a shot at winning or just bust.

I lost flip, but still - I can't complain about running bad at all during this tourney :D
Submitted by : LemOn[5thF]

PokerStars Game #35366559604: Tournament #208985167, 100FPP Holdem No Limit - Level XXXIII (50000/100000) - 2009/11/14 20:31:27 ET
Table 208985167 597 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 4: W34s3l (1856830 in chips)
Seat 5: max085 (2058818 in chips)
Seat 7: SnoXXX (2406752 in chips)
Seat 8: Hero (1314100 in chips)
W34s3l: posts the ante 10000
max085: posts the ante 10000
SnoXXX: posts the ante 10000
Hero: posts the ante 10000
max085: posts small blind 50000
SnoXXX: posts big blind 100000

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to Hero
Hero: raises 1204100 to 1304100 and is all-in
W34s3l: folds
max085: calls 1254100
SnoXXX: folds

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $2,748,200.00)

   

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $2,748,200.00)

   

River (Pot : $2,748,200.00)

   

Showdown
max085: shows (two pair, Nines and Eights)
Hero: shows (a pair of Nines)
max085 collected 2748200 from pot

Summary
Total pot 2748200 | Rake 0
Board  
Seat 4: W34s3l (button) folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 5: max085 (small blind) showed and won (2748200) with two pair, Nines and Eights
Seat 7: SnoXXX (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: Hero showed and lost with a pair of Nines

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After watching the Coaching Tree and Real life grinder series I got to the last series that I got DL'ed from my DC trial:

Turning the corner. And I seriously can't get my head around if the dude is so horrible or If I have to reinvent my poker completely.


A)77 - Limp in SB woot?

3Handed.

A 23/7/1 dude limps on the button with 55 bb stack
19/5/3 is in the bb.

Hero has 77 and the coach says HE WOULD COMPLETE?

What the flip is happening there?
77 you Jerk because you don't want to have 'Awkward stack sizes on flop vs 50bb'?
Get over yourself you dumbass, was my very natural reaction.

My reasons to raise, and raise a decent amount:
A) Our hand will be much better than villains
Ye baby, we are ahead and its a simple question of PF equity when we have more equity than enemy.

B) He is folding a ton of flops to a simple cbet.
-we will take it down sooo much of the time even if overcards fall.
-We sill have a strong hand ang can hit sets or get value from lower pp or sc that he limp calls.


Please tell me somebody how the hell can I complete ever sb with 77 with a limper, ever, period unless he plays like 7/2


40bb stack raises UTG+1, tag calls and hero calls IP Q7s
Coach: I fould fold here, but calling is not the worst thing in the world.

FUDGE MAN, I would rip his head off for calling Q7s, wtf are we hoping to flop?
Flop comes AQ3 and he folds, duh. Jsus wtf this is the worst thing in the world.

Everything else

Yeah I just couldn't stand this as it was an utter waste of time.
I don't know much about the author, and he does teach/comment on the right type of poker that you need to play to beat NL50, but he seems to lack the understanding on why exactly he would play hands in a certain way, and doesn't give proper justifications.
He might be a successful high stakes player, he just doesn't make too good of a coach.

If you don't get what I am saying, try watching Grinder or Coaching Tree series and afterwards Turning the corner.
The difference is like between $5,000 professional escort and a $50 fat hooker from the dirty corner in Bronx.



Only pron is left now?
To end this rant, I must state that unfortunately out of the couple GB DC vids I have depleted all worthwhile Low stakes session reviews/coaching vids.

I still have a ton of specific spots and theory videos, but the session reviews were helping me to tame my gamble inside by showing the common spots where I play like a madman at times, with reasoning behind the play.
My poker game is 100% adaptive and I don't have standard bet size, or standard opening hands at all and I always target my villains and table dynamics.

Many times to the extent that I forget that I am actually playing with two cards in my hand myself.

Here come the vids that help me to apply at least some sort of standards into my play.

e.g. I started to imprint the standard plays into my sub conciousness and although I simply knew inside that the 78s UTG raise simply will be profitable at the table I was playing, my mind wandered to the video and I folded. True story.


DC or card Runners or others?

For these reasons I am looking to subscribe to a video coaching site.

I am looking for:
A) Rolling Videos for NL50-NL200 6MAX,

B)Similar format as the two DC series (Typical good, bud narrow minded low to midstakes player + High Stakes player challenging him and requesting and providing advanced reasons for making almost all plays)

Failing that, at least high stakes player himself playing low stakes that explains all his plays and common spot with advanced reasoning.


I know DC has couple more series that offer this, are there any other sites that do the same?

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In 9 days I went from $410 to $1070 + like $50 equivalent in RB while taking a NL25 shot at 30BI - by running hot, watching a vid before each session and especially applying brutal table selection techniques at 4 tables.

Table Selection
I set myself a goal of having a strong catalyst at the table or at least a very aggressive player/reg to my right who gives me IP action, and the results are WAY different from 9 tabling random free tables.

Graph so far since re-thinking my approach


Shots in the past
When I took a successful shot last time to NL50 I did it with 20BI. I know I could do the same this time and that I would be at 80% successful unless I'd hit a cold deck (I still consider NL50 my regular limit, and I think I am in a shape to beat it at 6bb/100 as I did for about 60k hands before I started working and having the hypertilts issues, which I have tamed for 9 days now.)

Lesson learned
But I will not do it.
I set myself a very cast in stone 30BI rule. I believe that this will train my discipline and make me think less about higher limit and let me focus on my play, hand by hand.
I am also still prone to tilts as my working hours are getting longer and longer, as my stress levels and tiredness are quite high, and I need to go through at least 60k hands and at least one decent downswing where I spew only couple BIs and don't stop thinking about all my plays before I can start taking focus off my tilt issues.

Plan
I will stay at NL25 until I reach $1500.

13K FPP to go to my $800 bonus, and when I get it by the end of the month I will be seriously over rolled for NL50 when I move there, which can't be bad if I don't start spewing around as I will have 40BI again.


View on NL25
I found the limit much harder to own to its core for me than NL10. At NL25 people start first experimenting with aggressive bets and play, but they do it in such random ways its unbelievable. At NL50 there comes logic at least into the aggression of regs to a certain level. But at NL25 its sick how weird hands people showdown with. I was actually bluffing way more at NL10 than I do at NL25, because you never know who will try to discover the raise option with completely illogical hands.

I think almost any good player can run at 10BB/100 long term at NL10 as people play so straight forward, but NL25 is best beat by simple solid style, and I doubt it can fetch more than 7BB/100 for the best players.

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