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LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Nov 14 2009 06:18. Posts 15163 | | |
After watching the Coaching Tree and Real life grinder series I got to the last series that I got DL'ed from my DC trial:
Turning the corner. And I seriously can't get my head around if the dude is so horrible or If I have to reinvent my poker completely.
A)77 - Limp in SB woot?
3Handed.
A 23/7/1 dude limps on the button with 55 bb stack
19/5/3 is in the bb.
Hero has 77 and the coach says HE WOULD COMPLETE?
What the flip is happening there?
77 you Jerk because you don't want to have 'Awkward stack sizes on flop vs 50bb'?
Get over yourself you dumbass, was my very natural reaction.
My reasons to raise, and raise a decent amount:
A) Our hand will be much better than villains
Ye baby, we are ahead and its a simple question of PF equity when we have more equity than enemy.
B) He is folding a ton of flops to a simple cbet.
-we will take it down sooo much of the time even if overcards fall.
-We sill have a strong hand ang can hit sets or get value from lower pp or sc that he limp calls.
Please tell me somebody how the hell can I complete ever sb with 77 with a limper, ever, period unless he plays like 7/2
40bb stack raises UTG+1, tag calls and hero calls IP Q7s
Coach: I fould fold here, but calling is not the worst thing in the world.
FUDGE MAN, I would rip his head off for calling Q7s, wtf are we hoping to flop?
Flop comes AQ3 and he folds, duh. Jsus wtf this is the worst thing in the world.
Everything else
Yeah I just couldn't stand this as it was an utter waste of time.
I don't know much about the author, and he does teach/comment on the right type of poker that you need to play to beat NL50, but he seems to lack the understanding on why exactly he would play hands in a certain way, and doesn't give proper justifications.
He might be a successful high stakes player, he just doesn't make too good of a coach.
If you don't get what I am saying, try watching Grinder or Coaching Tree series and afterwards Turning the corner.
The difference is like between $5,000 professional escort and a $50 fat hooker from the dirty corner in Bronx.
Only pron is left now?
To end this rant, I must state that unfortunately out of the couple GB DC vids I have depleted all worthwhile Low stakes session reviews/coaching vids.
I still have a ton of specific spots and theory videos, but the session reviews were helping me to tame my gamble inside by showing the common spots where I play like a madman at times, with reasoning behind the play.
My poker game is 100% adaptive and I don't have standard bet size, or standard opening hands at all and I always target my villains and table dynamics.
Many times to the extent that I forget that I am actually playing with two cards in my hand myself.
Here come the vids that help me to apply at least some sort of standards into my play.
e.g. I started to imprint the standard plays into my sub conciousness and although I simply knew inside that the 78s UTG raise simply will be profitable at the table I was playing, my mind wandered to the video and I folded. True story.
DC or card Runners or others?
For these reasons I am looking to subscribe to a video coaching site.
I am looking for:
A) Rolling Videos for NL50-NL200 6MAX,
B)Similar format as the two DC series (Typical good, bud narrow minded low to midstakes player + High Stakes player challenging him and requesting and providing advanced reasons for making almost all plays)
Failing that, at least high stakes player himself playing low stakes that explains all his plays and common spot with advanced reasoning.
I know DC has couple more series that offer this, are there any other sites that do the same?
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joLin   United States. Nov 14 2009 06:25. Posts 3818 | | |
i havent seen much from cardrunners but i like DC. i usually look for the same type of videos you look for too, and theres plenty of that on DC.
since you seem to like balugawhale, he does a good series with whitelime where they critique each others play. |
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dogmeat   Czech Republic. Nov 14 2009 09:09. Posts 6374 | | |
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collegesucks   United States. Nov 14 2009 12:06. Posts 5780 | | |
i could coldcall Q7s there as well... |
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palak   United States. Nov 14 2009 12:35. Posts 4601 | | |
Reasons to limp IMO.
Button tends to limp raise pre. BB is so tight it doesn't matter what u do cuz he isn't raising w/o the nuts. You can lead out many flops and still take down the pot easily. If you raise and button calls it can be semi awkward to play vs a villain who ha 50bb stack and ur OOP. He will raise over a lot of flop cbets and every flop will bring an over card pretty much. Also if villain is a calling station as his stats suggest then 77 OOP vs him with 50bb stack will suck cock cuz he'll float flops and turns with midpair type hands which will be beating u most of the time. Like say he won't fold T8 on a 28KQA board or something.
That said, raising is also OK for the reasons you brought up in ur blog. Limping is just a way to keep the pot smaller OOP with a OK hand. Either way to play the hand is almost certainly +ev and i think the difference between the two plays is negligible. |
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LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Nov 14 2009 13:43. Posts 15163 | | |
Palak this is NL50, there is no way he will ever try to limp call and try to bluff you with these stats and limp raise more than 5% of the time ever (Maybe the coach just took into account higher stakes players with same stats like you seem to do)
When you raise to $1.25-1.50 you are basically creating a pool of dead money that you will collect enormous % of the time on the flop.
Add the fact that you are slightly ahead of his range and that you create additional FE on the flop by raising pre, and I really can't see how we don't raise.
Oh and another thing - its really hard to get paid off in a limped pot.
Raising a very wide range preflop is profitable here, and 77 should be in the top half of it. (Try to watch the mentioned Real life micro grinder, the isolating oop with very wide range is so awesomely explained there and the coach taught the student how to ridiculously abuse it) |
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LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Nov 14 2009 13:57. Posts 15163 | | |
And saying that playing PP on the flop is awkward against any stack size is just lol. |
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genjix   China. Nov 14 2009 17:45. Posts 2677 | | |
i seen a lot of vids and i think theres a lot of terrible shit there that will just fuck ur game up. i just play lots of hands now myself and try to figure things out. |
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Critterer   United Kingdom. Nov 14 2009 17:55. Posts 5337 | | |
id usually complete 77, i dont like raising small pairs oop but then again im playing fullring |
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hellokittery   United States. Nov 14 2009 18:10. Posts 1399 | | |
| On November 14 2009 16:45 genjix wrote:
i seen a lot of vids and i think theres a lot of terrible shit there that will just fuck ur game up. i just play lots of hands now myself and try to figure things out. |
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TianYuan   Korea (South). Nov 14 2009 22:14. Posts 6817 | | |
If it's a straight forward or fit or fold fish then I'm raising. If he's one of those annoying "peel everything, minraise with whatever because he feels like it", then I'm completing.
Q7s vs a 40bb stack is fucking awful tho. |
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