nl10 fr: too nitty?

villian is 10/7 over 130 hands, 3 and 4 bet stat of 0, went to show down zero times

Submitted by : Into Infinity

PokerStars Game #33031878958: Holdem No Limit ($0.05/$0.10 USD) - 2009/09/19 10:08:20 PT [2009/09/19 13:08:20 ET]
Table Hugo 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: xx_dfr_xx ($9.75 in chips)
Seat 2: Infenion ($12.15 in chips)
Seat 3: Brigante777 ($1.70 in chips)
Seat 4: RunGOODplz ($10 in chips)
Seat 5: nukko77 ($11.55 in chips)
Seat 6: kondziowy ($3.35 in chips)
Seat 8: dmon79 ($9.55 in chips)
Seat 9: jewishjalopi ($4.60 in chips)
nukko77: posts small blind $0.05
kondziowy: posts big blind $0.10
michael4414: sits out

Holecards
Dealt to RunGOODplz
dmon79: folds
jewishjalopi: folds
xx_dfr_xx: folds
Infenion: raises $0.30 to $0.40
Brigante777: folds
RunGOODplz: raises $1 to $1.40
nukko77: folds
kondziowy: folds
Brigante777 said, "infenion is stealing blinds"
Infenion: raises $2.60 to $4
RunGOODplz: folds
Uncalled bet ($2.60) returned to Infenion
kondziowy leaves the table
Infenion collected $2.95 from pot

Summary
Total pot $2.95 | Rake $0
Seat 1: xx_dfr_xx folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 2: Infenion collected ($2.95)
Seat 3: Brigante777 folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 4: RunGOODplz (button) folded before Flop
Seat 5: nukko77 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: kondziowy (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: dmon79 folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 9: jewishjalopi folded before Flop (didnt bet)

yes, too nitty

he may have aces but i never fold here at nl10

hands like this piss me off ..

do this if you want to throw money into fire

wtf are you guys saying here
I like this fold, I could never do it tho

burning money?

That a huge exagaration

I personally wouldn't do this with such a "small" sample size, but its probably not as terrible as some of the posters are implying.

Call and try to hit a set next time.

looks terrible, why would you 3bet this then instead of flatting if youre planning on folding?

because villain is raising 7% of his hands and we are beating his raising range, not sure if we are so much ahead of his 4betting range tho.

On September 19 2009 16:27 daysare wrote: because villain is raising 7% of his hands and we are beating his raising range, not sure if we are so much ahead of his 4betting range tho.

true should make him fold then before he can put money in the pot with worse

yes, speedyjack 3betting good hands is always a bad idea, coz it often makes people fold worse hands. let's not 3bet at all!

when you're looking at his 4bet stat you should look at the sample on that and not just the amount of hands you have on him total, like he might've been 3bet once before in those 130 hands so the stat doesnt tell you anything

whoever thinks that folding KK Preflop on 10NL even vs a 2/2 guy should just stop posting in the poker related forums

On September 19 2009 16:27 daysare wrote: because villain is raising 7% of his hands and we are beating his raising range, not sure if we are so much ahead of his 4betting range tho.

you dont 3bet only bcuz youre ahead of his range. you need to consider how hes going to react to your 3bet, and how youll react to that. against this villain we have no idea what he does vs 3bets. does he fold to 90% of 3bets? does he call 3bets out of position, or does he only 4bet or fold?

without much of a read, 3betting and folding to a 4bet bcuz you put him on AA is really really really bad.

this fold is good


for villan

btw even for mega-ultra-nit 2/2 KK have 62% so wtf, go allin and be happy

Whats your 3bet % ?

if you are going to make these kinds of folds, you shouldnt post them on LP

friendly advice

level.

lol ^

And to OP 130 hands really isn't THAT big of a sample to make you positive he has aces here..

I literally think folding is here is fine

If folding here is fine, play 6-max.

On September 19 2009 18:09 joLin wrote: Show nested quote + On September 19 2009 16:27 daysare wrote: because villain is raising 7% of his hands and we are beating his raising range, not sure if we are so much ahead of his 4betting range tho. you dont 3bet only bcuz youre ahead of his range. you need to consider how hes going to react to your 3bet, and how youll react to that. against this villain we have no idea what he does vs 3bets. does he fold to 90% of 3bets? does he call 3bets out of position, or does he only 4bet or fold? without much of a read, 3betting and folding to a 4bet bcuz you put him on AA is really really really bad.

I did not mean to advocate folding here since even if the villain is unbelievable nit we still have the odds to move in. It's just going to be only slightly ev+:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 52.115% 48.69% 03.43% 75028236 5284278.00 { KK }
Hand 1: 47.885% 44.46% 03.43% 68510568 5284278.00 { QQ+, AKs }


But come on.. you don't need to know a villain's behaviour to 3bet KK vs him

IDIOT

nights post is seriuosly making me rofl for some reason

digusting. don't post this shit here it makes me sick

you have odds to call to setmine here, easy c/f on any flop if you miss

this has to be a level that people are saying this is a good fold at nl10 ROFL


it is nl10

get dat value

monster poker

Meh. Put the money in.

you should also consider trapping this villain with a smooth pf call

100% if you're 3 betting a villian and are going to fold to his 4 bet in position. then i suggest you just flat.

is there anything wrong with folding here? i'd say a majority of the time yes but as long as you learn from it it's fine. I do not 3 bet KK unless i'm getting it against the OR 100% of the time for FR. If i do believe he's that nitty and i would fold out QQ or lower then i'll flat.

I really hate flatting pre ever vs a 10/7.

At NL10, I would say it's very unlikely that people are capable of folding QQ or AK to a 3bet where the thought process is "okay lemme see a low flop so I can stackoff" (bad) or "lemme just spike an A or K" (also bad) or "QQ+ AK SHIP SHIP" (fine for the most part). 10/7 nits will also snapfold the same low flops to a c/r and maybe double barrel in a single raised flop saying "he always has a set".

Basically they make more mistakes in 3bet pots than they do in single raised pots, so easy 3bet.