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LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Aug 18 2009 18:04. Posts 15163 | | |
My Goals
NL25 done, it took me a week to double my roll at this limit. (Running hot is good :o)
I must say than I dodged my rule of cashing to 20 BI at a limit (If I lose 2BI AND I break my non-multitabling rule) by always first pwning a couple BI at 4 tables and then multi table once I get tired (4tabling is WAY harder then 9 tabling for me btw).
And As I set the stop loss rule for a day I managed to cheat myself this way. My spews obviously came during multitabling again, and I lost about 5 stacks where I shouldn't really. My red line also suffered by doing this, and I think its easily sustainable to have it just below 0 at NL25 and push standard winrate to 6bb/100 levels with decent tables.
A Hand
I will post interesting hands from NL25 later, just one from today
This is about the biggest rape I have been exposed to to date. 36/6/1 Turbonit Villain (with 10% WTSD and 40% Fold turn,) called, after I squeezed wide UTG/high fold to 3bet fold opener and him (who also folded to majority of 3bets)
I believe he folded every single time in situations like this before, even with much better hands.
I am always reluctant to really believe these people pay attention to table image, but this time I was wrong (I was fairly aggressive at the table). Dunno what it was, probably my timing tells and non call inviting bet sizing, but this dude completely raped me.
He had what I thought he might have, and I was 100% sure he would fold.
Pure pwnage, and I typed 'owned' to the chat myself, I was amazed somebody at micros could make such a read and actually alter their game.
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The Results


My Game

As I try to play completely reactive style, the weekend brought my VPIP and PFR way below my 'standard'. Calling Stations all over the place is not a place for LAG, although today and yesterday I finally got to some nitty tables and could employ full blown 34/30 with 20% 3bets.
Also interesting is how my stats don't get too much tighter in early position, the reason was complete lack of light 3bettors - I could open AXs utg profitably all the time and sometimes I was opening even hands like JTo as I had tables with 4 nits and one fish (regs at NL25 don't adjust and just let you exploit the fish forever :o)
Also what I can see there is that I don't 3bet on the Button and CO enough, and thats something I have to work at before I get to NL100.
-I almost perfected my 3betting from the blinds against exploitable opponents, and I learned a new move -> 3bet into check/fold with junk against nits with superhigh fold to 3bet, on boards that are not super great for 3betting.
I always was cbetting without really thinking about their range, which is rarely folding non scary flops and even turns.
-I found a good spot to 4bet bluff only three times, and 3barrel bluff only twice.
-I also learned that it doesn't matter that you are getting 6:1, the fish simply don't minraise with Junk
-I tilted, but as I was only playing 4 tables when running bad those were microtilts and I quickly pulled myself together ( I lost a couple 89% Equity spots and got once pwned with 200bb stack with 80% Equity shove on flop (which instantly pwned my stop loss and I had to quit fo the day -,-))
Conclusion
I had fun at NL10 and NL25. It made me remember that no matter what limit you play, it is still the same game and every person is different and can't be completely generalised.
Sure, you can play a standard game aimed towards the limit standard players only using stats, but this will never let you get to the core of every individuals mistakes and won't let you completely own the game.
I wish I could remember this every single time I start playing more then 4 tables and stop paying attention to every single pot, and avoid the evil of multitabling.
I am back at my regular limit, and I have learned a good few things in the process (I watched entire micro stakes grinder series while 3 tabling ). Losing over 70% of my BR was painful, but I believe that because of the things I learned it might actually be +EV In the long run.
P.S. If you ask why I only made $500 when it takes $600 to go from 24BI at NL25 to 24BI at NL50, my answer is simple: I cheated by donking $100 in Supernova Freeroll.
But don't judge me you punk, as I know you cowardly add your rake back to your BR while I buy Phil Hellmuth books and other junk for it.
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rockman255   Canada. Aug 18 2009 18:22. Posts 4471 | | |
thats not a sick read, you are overthinking it, hes a bit stationy and people hate folding on paired boards. you didnt even run into the part of his range that calls on account have having a spade (or gutshot), it should tell you how wrong you were about your read..
like are you leveling? paired boards never get folded on because people (correctly) feel like their pairs are enhanced, 3-flush boards get snapped all the time by flush draws, 3-straight boards get snapped all the time by gutshots, this is unbelievably the absolute worst time to bluff.
i am officially giving up on you entirely seeing as you dont want to drop the fancy play syndrome :O i was really trying to help you all this time, too. |
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rockman255: its not easy being superman U N0 MySteeZ: mega man. rockman255: same thing U N0 MySteeZ: no | Last edit: 18/08/2009 18:58 |
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Naib   Hungary. Aug 18 2009 18:28. Posts 968 | | |
I have to agree with rockman there, that seems like a huge station to me, nothing else. |
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rockman255   Canada. Aug 18 2009 18:29. Posts 4471 | | |
| he folded with much better hands |
rofl, thats a good one. how do you know?
this is textbook fancy play syndrome, you're making all sorts of assumptions about your opponents play when hes really just a button mashing fish, and you're pretending like you have sick reads and sick plays, when really nothings going on at all, and hes just a sick fish. |
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rockman255: its not easy being superman U N0 MySteeZ: mega man. rockman255: same thing U N0 MySteeZ: no | Last edit: 18/08/2009 18:31 |
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LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Aug 18 2009 18:31. Posts 15163 | | |
Well he is not stationy at all from what I have seen here and during hands after that
The only thing is that I didn't know how he reacts in 3bet pots, its possible that he is one of those fish that don't fold when they 'invested' in the pot.
I strongly believed he would call any T or PP on the flop and fold it on turn as most likely did many times before and after this hand in normal raised pots. His flop calling frequency and turn folding frequency is just ridiculously high. |
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LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Aug 18 2009 18:32. Posts 15163 | | |
And yeah I don't know that, I only assume :o |
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rockman255   Canada. Aug 18 2009 18:37. Posts 4471 | | |
guess what? half of all pocket pairs have a spade
1/4 of all nines or tens in the deck have a spade
if hes playing 96 97 98 9T 9J 9Q 9A then 28% of his nines (or tens) come with a gutshot
and this is only the beginning...... |
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rockman255: its not easy being superman U N0 MySteeZ: mega man. rockman255: same thing U N0 MySteeZ: no | Last edit: 18/08/2009 18:59 |
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rockman255   Canada. Aug 18 2009 18:38. Posts 4471 | | |
but you had a sick tell, right? so none of this is possible.
completely motherbleeping delusional. |
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rockman255: its not easy being superman U N0 MySteeZ: mega man. rockman255: same thing U N0 MySteeZ: no | Last edit: 18/08/2009 19:00 |
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dahornnn   United Kingdom. Aug 18 2009 18:40. Posts 693 | | |
| On August 18 2009 17:38 rockman255 wrote:
but you had a sick tell, right? so none of this is possible.
completely motherfucking delusional. |
as strong as you may feel, i think this is a bit harsh  |
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rednalluk   Sweden. Aug 18 2009 18:57. Posts 626 | | |
Atleast he's honest. And he's somewhat right aswell. Thats a pretty megaspewy play and you'll do better without them. Im currently working on my FPS aswell so I should know how this feels like. The most important thing though (which rockman mentioned) is that you dont fool yourself with that he had a good read on you. Some people just dont like folding and there is alot that he wont fold there.
Otherwise, I like your ginding mentality and its nice to see that you made it back so fast to NL50. Keep it up! |
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if you have a high 3bet% like 20 that is a standard calldown after he made the pf call that imo is still bad. |
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i gave up on lemon some time ago
he doesnt want to learn, thus he doesnt has what it takes.
i see all these numbers and stats and 3bet% preflop but in the in you're still playing nl25 after months of poker. |
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and wtf at the 42s hand, ur just dumping money to someone who isnt to be bluffed. |
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longple   Sweden. Aug 18 2009 20:03. Posts 4472 | | |
this blog has just been raped ;O |
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im sry it wasnt my intention, but sometimes i feel lemon needs to snap out of it. |
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matdon460   United States. Aug 18 2009 20:22. Posts 1089 | | |
| On August 18 2009 18:50 gororokgororok wrote:
and wtf at the 42s hand, ur just dumping money to someone who isnt to be bluffed. |
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Of course it was a good shove, I won | |
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hey I was playing nl10 after 6 months of poker
but I may be retarded as well, gotta check my birth certificate |
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mikeymoo   Canada. Aug 18 2009 21:14. Posts 988 | | |
How was the Phil Hellmuth book? It looks like it was highly recommended in that thread you linked a while ago. |
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dogmeat   Czech Republic. Aug 18 2009 21:38. Posts 6374 | | |
| On August 18 2009 20:14 mikeymoo wrote:
How was the Phil Hellmuth book? It looks like it was highly recommended in that thread you linked a while ago. |
you didnt see it? that bluff is textbook hellmuth's play |
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LiLZhiMiNG   Australia. Aug 18 2009 23:47. Posts 637 | | |
its ok lemon...i like your style...you helped me a lot with your fancy play syndrome...and now you on nl50 you can help me build my roll more =) jks!!! keep up the good work...but seriously take all the solid advice from rockman and gororok...and honestly I'd like to see you maintain that 10PTBB/100..... |
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gs.RO   United States. Aug 18 2009 23:58. Posts 84 | | |
TL;DR...but there is a pretty interesting cycle to your blogs |
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gs.RO   United States. Aug 18 2009 23:59. Posts 84 | | |
| On August 18 2009 19:22 matdon460 wrote:
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On August 18 2009 18:50 gororokgororok wrote:
and wtf at the 42s hand, ur just dumping money to someone who isnt to be bluffed. |
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mikeymoo   Canada. Aug 19 2009 03:15. Posts 988 | | |
| On August 18 2009 20:38 dogmeat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2009 20:14 mikeymoo wrote:
How was the Phil Hellmuth book? It looks like it was highly recommended in that thread you linked a while ago. |
you didnt see it? that bluff is textbook hellmuth's play
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awesome, ordering asap |
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LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Aug 19 2009 03:43. Posts 15163 | | |
I was thinking about the hand and I must admit I completely disregarded my conclusion: Don't play just by stats.
When someone has 10% wtsd over a large sample, it is a statistical certainty he will fold second pair hands.
I had only 80 hands.
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