why do people shortstack? - Page 3

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playing vs shortstackers is easy, don't let them dictate the action, and do not gamble with them

get it in ahead, bust them

that simple

even if they do double up to ugh, 40x bb, its still so easy to take it back, and if they hit and run, the seat fills with a most likely fullstacked player where you are getting more ev from the table

shorties are jokers

i must add that shorties 5/10 and above are fairly strong and not to be picked on

On November 17 2008 01:09 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On November 16 2008 23:37 DarkFury wrote: Waht do you think ? Is it possible to shortstack 6max for good amount of bb/100 ?! fuck you no.

haha blazing smile is better than nattylocks to me, so he gets pushed first... i dont mind natty at the tables...

Just look at the shortie's stats and adjust. If he is 3betting 20% from blinds, you know you can call him with a whole bunch of hands. If he folds 90% of his BBs, you can raise with anything you will raise against the other playing in the blinds. Very few shortstackers are good. Some are, but even then you just need to do some math and figure out what their range is and what you should be calling them with.

what tilts me is the nl200 idiot shortstacker who will limp low pocket pairs utg and call a huge iso to setmine with 70$. This guy plays a lot of tables too, asdfasdfasdfasdf

On November 17 2008 23:55 NeillyJQ wrote: playing vs shortstackers is easy, don't let them dictate the action, and do not gamble with them get it in ahead, bust them that simple

ROFL u retard

On November 17 2008 21:49 Sloverville wrote: Who do you push off a cliff first? A. Blazingsmile B. Nattylocks

As long as they both get pushed off along with dumbo2000 I don't care who goes first. I'll be adding pokerpoopy to the list as well actually.

Out of curiosity I checked my PT DB to see how these players go. I have 3.5k hands on Blazing and he is up ~$200, dumbo and Natty I have about 2.5k hands on and they are both down ~$200.

haha, i love how neilly presents himself as the big experienced high stakes poker player who tells us that shortstackers at 5/10 + are quite good.

On November 17 2008 21:49 Sloverville wrote: Who do you push off a cliff first? A. Blazingsmile B. Nattylocks

Dumbo2000 as well

Dumbo2000, 3.4k sample up $52,70
Nattyflocks 1k sample, down $49,70
Blazingsmile 1.4k sample, up $130,80

On November 18 2008 08:37 Royal_Rumble wrote: haha, i love how neilly presents himself as the big experienced high stakes poker player who tells us that shortstackers at 5/10 + are quite good.

i've busted many a roll playing vs shortstackers at 5/10 and 10/20, a forum is for giving advice, correct?

On November 18 2008 09:46 NeillyJQ wrote: Show nested quote + On November 18 2008 08:37 Royal_Rumble wrote: haha, i love how neilly presents himself as the big experienced high stakes poker player who tells us that shortstackers at 5/10 + are quite good. i've busted many a roll playing vs shortstackers at 5/10 and 10/20, a forum is for giving advice, correct?

you are not qualified to give advice

On November 17 2008 23:55 NeillyJQ wrote: playing vs shortstackers is easy, don't let them dictate the action, and do not gamble with them get it in ahead, bust them that simple

can you elaborate on the "dictate the action" thing.

lets say you raise EP 3,5bb and they shove 20bb. How are you gonna dictate that action?

How has this thread reached 3 pages? Shortstacking is nothing new, why is this such a controversy across the poker net? Maybe it's from grinding SNG's in the early days, but anyone should be comfortable playing against short stacks. An entire thread on short stack theory at 2p2, UNNECESSARY. If you are ever shoving all your money in no matter how much you have left, you are doing it for one purpose and one purpose only. To get called. Learn the short stackers range, and some do it with 66+, some QQ+, and others (idiots) any Ax. Whatever the case they expect to be ahead of your calling range, thats it. So dont fuckin call if you have T9s, or AJo. If you have to play vs one, sit to his RIGHT, to avoid him fucking up every pot you want to engage in. Dont bother stealing blinds, and depending on what he shoves with, just call with that much higher.

I dunno I've never had a problem playing against short stackers. I've even tried it at 10 tables low limit just to see if I could be profitable but its more +EV to just play full, rather than table hopping constantly looking for a game. If there are 3+ short stackers at your table then theres no point in even playing unless you also intend to shortstack.

On November 18 2008 10:18 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On November 18 2008 09:46 NeillyJQ wrote:   On November 18 2008 08:37 Royal_Rumble wrote: haha, i love how neilly presents himself as the big experienced high stakes poker player who tells us that shortstackers at 5/10 + are quite good. i've busted many a roll playing vs shortstackers at 5/10 and 10/20, a forum is for giving advice, correct? you are not qualified to give advice

k no more advice then!

On November 18 2008 10:18 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On November 18 2008 09:46 NeillyJQ wrote:   On November 18 2008 08:37 Royal_Rumble wrote: haha, i love how neilly presents himself as the big experienced high stakes poker player who tells us that shortstackers at 5/10 + are quite good. i've busted many a roll playing vs shortstackers at 5/10 and 10/20, a forum is for giving advice, correct? you are not qualified to give advice

Are you? :D Neilly play higher stake than you O_O!

On November 18 2008 11:48 hawking wrote: If you are ever shoving all your money in no matter how much you have left, you are doing it for one purpose and one purpose only. To get called

...no, you are very often shoving to get people to fold. if you play MTTs you are more familiar with this concept (3bet bluffing allin with 15-20 BBs) than anything else.

and most retarded breakeven shortstacks at $1/2 happen to be dumb nits who only shove good hands and are somehow convinced that it's smart, but the HUGE majority of winning shortstackers are shoving to make you fold FAR more often than for any other reason. they are shoving A4, KJ, T9s, etc. they know that when you open for 3.5 BB you can have a huge range of hands and you can't call very often, so they shove anything with marginally good equity against your calling range, to capitalize on the huge amount of fold equity they have

shortstackers are not shoving to get called. some shortstackers happen to be dumb and nits, but your perception of shortstacking in a general sense is way way way off

On November 17 2008 23:19 C0n5pir4cy wrote: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/54/poker-beats-brags-variance/10k-day-273042/

Knowing that that is NL5000 make the $10k figure a lot less impressive.