High Stakes Poker - Page 63

Ah, so Ax is a standard vb on that river? I guess that makes Ziigmund's play pretty bad then throughout the whole hand... I thought it was ok because I was thinking Eastgate would check back most Ax on the river and if he does that and he rarely has a jack there, his vb range suddenly becomes very small.

Thanks

lol what, checking 3 times the Ace? his play was standard, actually his check on the turn was good but durrrs 3rd check was better.

Barrys call is relatively questionable, its not as bad as u all make it seem i mean, sure we see eastgate playing very solid and its unlikely he has Tx, but Durrr can easily raise garbage and Eastgate "might" have overcalled with Tx and Barry doesnt want to be the jackass who folds a huge AA on TV, he called to see what went on the turn, maybe he hoped that Durrr slow down and went check/check and he could throw a vbet on the river.

Again, its not a great call, but its not a ridiculous "zomg how can he call" like Zigmund with the 99.

On March 09 2009 19:26 Baal wrote: lol what, checking 3 times the Ace? his play was standard, actually his check on the turn was good but durrrs 3rd check was better.

dunno whether you were talking to me, but we were talking about the Ziigmund vs Eastgate hand.

On March 09 2009 19:39 Orome wrote: Show nested quote + On March 09 2009 19:26 Baal wrote: lol what, checking 3 times the Ace? his play was standard, actually his check on the turn was good but durrrs 3rd check was better. dunno whether you were talking to me, but we were talking about the Ziigmund vs Eastgate hand.

oh true sorry, and its not a std vbet with Ax on that spot by eastgate, especially not the kind of Ace that limp/calls (weak ace)

On March 09 2009 15:59 VanDerMeyde wrote: http://pokerroad.com/radio/tips-from-the-bear/player/hsp-season-5-episode-2-aces-vs-dwan-and-eastgate Very interesting interview with Barry Greenstein about the sick hand

lol barry doesn't bet tens full there on the flop hahaha.

I dont think that not betting 1010 is bad at all on that flop.

wow sick hand from duur, i'm just kind of surprised that barry didn't call because duur is basically representing squarely TT by the time it reaches turn and he bets again.

I listened to the interview from barry afterwards and he proposes some very interesting thoughts that I didn't consider, but even after having heard that I still feel that barry should have had enough information to make a call on the turn, he even says so himself in hindsight because duuur was so confident to bet again when eastgate could easily have had tens full....so why is duuur not slowing down? because duuur has Tx (barrys initial read and a likely holding for duurr, becoming less likely after duur makes the turn bet) or TT and that's pretty much all he can have there.

anyway the read from duur isn't that impressive, what impressed me is the fact he had balls enough to feel he could actually get those guys to lay their hands down. I did think "i wonder if duur bets here strongly, would these two actually fold?" and hten duuur actually DID bet and i came in my pants (i wouldn't have the balls to do that lol).

btw I don't think eastgate could possibly call there, he is in the most difficult spot by far. he has 2x with a weak kicker, he has no information on where the other Tx in the deck are, and he's facing barry behind.

barry gains a lot of valuable information when eastgate folds his hand, and it's very obvious that eastgate has 2x from the flop action, hence barry has a lot more solid info to work with whereas eastgate is operating in a void.

On March 09 2009 15:59 VanDerMeyde wrote: http://pokerroad.com/radio/tips-from-the-bear/player/hsp-season-5-episode-2-aces-vs-dwan-and-eastgate Very interesting interview with Barry Greenstein about the sick hand

LOLOL setmining on the flop!

I wonder if Durr would do this on any turn

Probably not a T or 2, maybe not an a A or K (though he still does cause Barry folds half the time)

On March 09 2009 21:54 SakiSaki wrote: I dont think that not betting 1010 is bad at all on that flop.

this, i think checking with TT is best i mean, if Barry leads into 23849239 oponents, everybody will get out of the way and if u have TT its not like ur gong to build the pot for something massive, and if you check maybe some poor bastard catches an underfull

Barry's talk was very interesting. Made me even more excited about what durr did.

On March 09 2009 19:54 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On March 09 2009 19:39 Orome wrote:   On March 09 2009 19:26 Baal wrote: lol what, checking 3 times the Ace? his play was standard, actually his check on the turn was good but durrrs 3rd check was better. dunno whether you were talking to me, but we were talking about the Ziigmund vs Eastgate hand. oh true sorry, and its not a std vbet with Ax on that spot by eastgate, especially not the kind of Ace that limp/calls (weak ace)

then doesn´t that make Ziigmund´s call good? If Eastgate doesn´t bet an ace on the river and he usually doesn´t bet a jack on the turn, his range is pretty heavily weighted towards bluffs, no?

wow, suck a sick last hand. Impressive. Even more impressive was the fact the Durrr knew exactly where he was in that hand ,and was willing to bet on eastgate having the best hand at the end.

Respect.

ziigmunds call makes tons of sense vs alot of players, but it has to be pretty level 1 opponents for his call to be correct imo

next time on hsp: who walks into quads again


geez AJ thanks a fucking lot

good thing i dont remember

haha neither do i, i forget immediately