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On March 09 2009 12:44 Orome wrote: + Show Spoiler + What do you guys think about Ziig's call with 99? I actually really liked it and unless there's some relevant history between Eastgate and Ziig I'm missing, Eastgate's turn bet with just a jack doesn't seem to make a lot of sense.

it makes sense if you think about eastgate's range. And I especially liked it because eastgate bet middle pair on the turn. It means he's definitely firing with air all the time.

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On March 09 2009 13:40 Nazgul wrote: that was quite insane best episode ever

Agree.

Sick heart from Durr

what do you think of barry's call on the flop to durrr's raise? It's 8 handed and he leads into the field after raising preflop. I mean, talk about turning your hand faceup.
I think checkcalling is a better line. And you can usually safely fold if there's a bet raise on a T22 board.

wow, the last hand of the episode was just sick

Flop call was probably not so good but given flop call turn fold was just so bad. Gotta assume Barry put Durrr on air and Eastgate on whatever 2x/Tx. Turn changed nothing gave no additional info just more of the same and he folds. He might have went with Eastgates read and followed that. Twice.

On March 09 2009 14:42 royalsu wrote: what do you think of barry's call on the flop to durrr's raise? It's 8 handed and he leads into the field after raising preflop. I mean, talk about turning your hand faceup. I think checkcalling is a better line. And you can usually safely fold if there's a bet raise on a T22 board.

I think betting was fine, but his flop call was a bit sloppy since its so obvious eastgate had a 2, but then again he did have a set draw.

On March 09 2009 14:39 royalsu wrote: Show nested quote + On March 09 2009 12:44 Orome wrote: + Show Spoiler + What do you guys think about Ziig's call with 99? I actually really liked it and unless there's some relevant history between Eastgate and Ziig I'm missing, Eastgate's turn bet with just a jack doesn't seem to make a lot of sense. it makes sense if you think about eastgate's range. And I especially liked it because eastgate bet middle pair on the turn. It means he's definitely firing with air all the time.

His "air" range isnt very wide though. I think u gotta either turn ur 99 into a bluff to run over Jx, weak Ax, and to block against gutshots, or u gotta completely give up. Betting flop and then just check-calling down is pretty horrendous imo.

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i can understand the triple check by durrr vs zig, but don't zig's bet on the river

On March 09 2009 15:35 The72o wrote: i can understand the triple check by durrr vs zig, but don't zig's bet on the river

I have trouble understanding the bet, but the real "WTF" moment for me was when he called the raise.

actually the bet is weirder to me than the call

how can you understand the triple check but not the bet from ziig.

i think it's pretty correlated

because zig had decent showdown value on that river, so he could check back and don't open to c/r
if he bets, he wants to be c/r by bluffs so he need to call, that i get

i understand that zig could bluff that river, but turning TPNK into bluff seems to be high variance play to me, only if he really thinks he will get c/r bluff a shitload from durr (that could be it, i don't know how they play against each other)

yes, but why do you think the tripple check is good then?

if you think ziigs bet is thin, then durrrs triple check isnt that good either

does HSP include every single hand?

http://pokerroad.com/radio/tips-from-the-bear/player/hsp-season-5-episode-2-aces-vs-dwan-and-eastgate

Very interesting interview with Barry Greenstein about the sick hand

Whow, that's an awesome 'interview' by Barry...a few points i wouldn't have thought about from his perspective...

And no, John Galt, they only pick out the interesting ones. The image of the table is often a bit off because of that, a lot of pots just get picked up preflop as well, it's not only a blufffest.
I don't know how much they cut out, is it like 2 eps per night of play?

On March 09 2009 15:04 NMcNasty wrote: Show nested quote + On March 09 2009 14:39 royalsu wrote:   On March 09 2009 12:44 Orome wrote: + Show Spoiler + What do you guys think about Ziig's call with 99? I actually really liked it and unless there's some relevant history between Eastgate and Ziig I'm missing, Eastgate's turn bet with just a jack doesn't seem to make a lot of sense. it makes sense if you think about eastgate's range. And I especially liked it because eastgate bet middle pair on the turn. It means he's definitely firing with air all the time. His "air" range isnt very wide though. I think u gotta either turn ur 99 into a bluff to run over Jx, weak Ax, and to block against gutshots, or u gotta completely give up. Betting flop and then just check-calling down is pretty horrendous imo.

So vb a jack on the turn there is standard? What worse hand are you hoping to get called by?

My impression was that Ziigmund was thrown off by that turn bet. He thought Eastgate would check a jack and if Eastgate doesn't bet a jack on the turn, the turn might be a fold, but the river would be a call since all draws missed and Eastgate probably isn't vb an ace there?

On March 09 2009 17:52 Orome wrote: Show nested quote + On March 09 2009 15:04 NMcNasty wrote:   On March 09 2009 14:39 royalsu wrote:   On March 09 2009 12:44 Orome wrote: + Show Spoiler + What do you guys think about Ziig's call with 99? I actually really liked it and unless there's some relevant history between Eastgate and Ziig I'm missing, Eastgate's turn bet with just a jack doesn't seem to make a lot of sense. it makes sense if you think about eastgate's range. And I especially liked it because eastgate bet middle pair on the turn. It means he's definitely firing with air all the time. His "air" range isnt very wide though. I think u gotta either turn ur 99 into a bluff to run over Jx, weak Ax, and to block against gutshots, or u gotta completely give up. Betting flop and then just check-calling down is pretty horrendous imo. So vb a jack on the turn there is standard? What worse hand are you hoping to get called by? My impression was that Ziigmund was thrown off by that turn bet. He thought Eastgate would check a jack and if Eastgate doesn't bet a jack on the turn, the turn might be a fold, but the river would be a call since all draws missed and Eastgate probably isn't vb an ace there?

I think zigmunds play is bad enough that it doesnt really matter what eastgate does w/ jacks. The range of all Axes eastgate could just normally be value betting is so much wider than the "air" hands he could have which are compromised of mainly suited gutshots that all have at least 10 outs against zigmund.