High Stakes Poker - Page 146

On May 03 2010 11:12 LikeASet wrote: Show nested quote + On May 03 2010 10:44 Tien wrote:   On May 03 2010 03:26 SpasticInk wrote: it's a crime to even have Mike on that show. +1 Throwing away KQs. Nothing beats when Mike folded KK to Phil Helmuth during one of the older seasons.

Just to let everyone remember how horrible Matusow is.


I love Hellmuth:


"It's a new game today boys" hahaha

matusow is terrible for television. he never shuts the fuck up, his laugh is annoying as fuck all, and he plays like 2 hands per episode.

Galfond's call looks bad on TV but I guess it's pretty standard. Although Daniel has never bet river as a bluff. What do people think of his J6 instacall? I was pretty surprised he called so quickly.

On May 03 2010 13:09 zulu_nation8 wrote: Galfond's call looks bad on TV but I guess it's pretty standard. Although Daniel has never bet river as a bluff. What do people think of his J6 instacall? I was pretty surprised he called so quickly.

Because that's how Doyle would play a big ass draw... I've seen his ass play like that so many times. And Daniel probably picked up on that. Pretty easy call, IMO.

On May 03 2010 11:52 Tien wrote: Show nested quote + On May 03 2010 11:12 LikeASet wrote:   On May 03 2010 10:44 Tien wrote:   On May 03 2010 03:26 SpasticInk wrote: it's a crime to even have Mike on that show. +1 Throwing away KQs. Nothing beats when Mike folded KK to Phil Helmuth during one of the older seasons. Just to let everyone remember how horrible Matusow is. I love Hellmuth: "It's a new game today boys" hahaha

Umm, since when does Hellmuth EVER make a big bet like that (80% of the pot) when he has a big hand? He always vbets so small with strong hands.

On May 03 2010 13:39 TheHuHu3 wrote: Show nested quote + On May 03 2010 13:09 zulu_nation8 wrote: Galfond's call looks bad on TV but I guess it's pretty standard. Although Daniel has never bet river as a bluff. What do people think of his J6 instacall? I was pretty surprised he called so quickly. Because that's how Doyle would play a big ass draw... I've seen his ass play like that so many times. And Daniel probably picked up on that. Pretty easy call, IMO.

pretty easy fold actually...theres only a few hands in doyles range where daniel is a favorite, and nit doyle would prolly not raise those

further confirmation that mike is playing with his entire roll at the table here?

On May 03 2010 14:00 shootair wrote: Show nested quote + On May 03 2010 13:39 TheHuHu3 wrote:   On May 03 2010 13:09 zulu_nation8 wrote: Galfond's call looks bad on TV but I guess it's pretty standard. Although Daniel has never bet river as a bluff. What do people think of his J6 instacall? I was pretty surprised he called so quickly. Because that's how Doyle would play a big ass draw... I've seen his ass play like that so many times. And Daniel probably picked up on that. Pretty easy call, IMO. pretty easy fold actually...theres only a few hands in doyles range where daniel is a favorite, and nit doyle would prolly not raise those

Oh yeah, I know that Daniel is behind against Doyle's range but Daniel knows he has the best hand and he's going to run it twice no matter what.

To clarify, shit like pair + FD or OESFD or overcard + FD > Daniel but I think Daniel put him on that thus the call.

the comment after the hand with elky ('people must be playing different kind of poker than i am') is like the first durrrr moment on televised poker that i hated

On May 03 2010 15:58 n1ck wrote: the comment after the hand with elky ('people must be playing different kind of poker than i am') is like the first durrrr moment on televised poker that i hated

1. it was probably cut, so elky tanked for a reasonable time
2. durrrr was losing millions to isildur at that time
3. he was not referring to elky, just to these matusow/elezra shouts "wauwww wat a greatttt callllll" just after elky threw the chips in, 1/3 of the table was shocked how great call it was (was obv good imo, but not super hero call esp vs this opponent)

its pretty obvious for durr to vbet 10s there that he thinks 10s is a snapcall

On May 03 2010 16:18 CrownRoyal wrote: its pretty obvious for durr to vbet 10s there that he thinks 10s is a snapcall

not trying to be a dick but ur logic is flawed, if durrr is v betting tens+ in that spot then he has to be bluffing a shitload for elky to not have have an easy snap fold.

On May 03 2010 10:04 PoorUser wrote: Show nested quote + On May 03 2010 04:54 Baal wrote:   On May 03 2010 02:20 PoorUser wrote:   On May 03 2010 02:11 Baal wrote: the fuck is Dwan talking about Elkys call is not insta when Dwan is probably never bluffing there. T_T. im not saying its not a call when elky is getting nearly 4-1 for a call but he took 16 seconds to call and Dwan seems way too upset about it. from what the people said it sounded like elky thought for a long time and they just editted his thought time out. seems kinda out of line for dwan to say something to elky but i guess it was while he was getting raped by isildur so its ok but was T_T'ing at 'when Dwan is probably never bluffing there'. elky probably has the top of his range, minus a very rare ax (call 5th pot flop check behind turn). if dwan can vb 9x pretty confidently shouldnt that tell you a lot already? :|

Well he can vbet 9x there because Elky either has Ax or a pair lower than 9x the vast majority of time but that doesnt means he bluffs much in that spot and it would be so weird for Dwan to c-bet 9 high on that board that small ammount oop vs 4 opponents imo, for sure its a valuebet, it was small so i think Elky was forced to call but i dont think Elky calls a much bigger bet there

Yeah he can valuebet 9x but what 9's does he have in his range anyway. He's usually just calling almost every 9 he plays preflop. 89s, 9Ts he's not gonna squeeze there as seen in every other hand he played on HSP.

Also with his small bet on the flop I think he represents what he has, a high pocketpair.

So basically he has TT+ imo and I think Elky's call is VERY borderline. I guess he thought he could have 77/88 or something. 99 bets turn most likely anyway because on the turn (after flop call) the majority of Elky's range is Ax I think.

I mean yeah if you view it as a single bet on a single street then the call becomes easy because he's getting 3 to 1 and he has a decent hand but with all the previous action I don't see him beating a lot of Durrrr's range.

On May 03 2010 20:31 Twisted wrote: Yeah he can valuebet 9x but what 9's does he have in his range anyway. He's usually just calling almost every 9 he plays preflop. 89s, 9Ts he's not gonna squeeze there as seen in every other hand he played on HSP.

He squeezed 89s oop like 5 shows ago

On May 03 2010 19:55 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On May 03 2010 10:04 PoorUser wrote:   On May 03 2010 04:54 Baal wrote:   On May 03 2010 02:20 PoorUser wrote:   On May 03 2010 02:11 Baal wrote: the fuck is Dwan talking about Elkys call is not insta when Dwan is probably never bluffing there. T_T. im not saying its not a call when elky is getting nearly 4-1 for a call but he took 16 seconds to call and Dwan seems way too upset about it. from what the people said it sounded like elky thought for a long time and they just editted his thought time out. seems kinda out of line for dwan to say something to elky but i guess it was while he was getting raped by isildur so its ok but was T_T'ing at 'when Dwan is probably never bluffing there'. elky probably has the top of his range, minus a very rare ax (call 5th pot flop check behind turn). if dwan can vb 9x pretty confidently shouldnt that tell you a lot already? :| Well he can vbet 9x there because Elky either has Ax or a pair lower than 9x the vast majority of time but that doesnt means he bluffs much in that spot and it would be so weird for Dwan to c-bet 9 high on that board that small ammount oop vs 4 opponents imo, for sure its a valuebet, it was small so i think Elky was forced to call but i dont think Elky calls a much bigger bet there

T_T

On May 03 2010 21:15 Bluffed1331 wrote: Show nested quote + On May 03 2010 20:31 Twisted wrote: Yeah he can valuebet 9x but what 9's does he have in his range anyway. He's usually just calling almost every 9 he plays preflop. 89s, 9Ts he's not gonna squeeze there as seen in every other hand he played on HSP. He squeezed 89s oop like 5 shows ago

oh.

still think a 9 with the other stuff I mentioned is unlikely though

On May 03 2010 21:25 PoorUser wrote: Show nested quote + On May 03 2010 19:55 Baal wrote:   On May 03 2010 10:04 PoorUser wrote:   On May 03 2010 04:54 Baal wrote:   On May 03 2010 02:20 PoorUser wrote:   On May 03 2010 02:11 Baal wrote: the fuck is Dwan talking about Elkys call is not insta when Dwan is probably never bluffing there. T_T. im not saying its not a call when elky is getting nearly 4-1 for a call but he took 16 seconds to call and Dwan seems way too upset about it. from what the people said it sounded like elky thought for a long time and they just editted his thought time out. seems kinda out of line for dwan to say something to elky but i guess it was while he was getting raped by isildur so its ok but was T_T'ing at 'when Dwan is probably never bluffing there'. elky probably has the top of his range, minus a very rare ax (call 5th pot flop check behind turn). if dwan can vb 9x pretty confidently shouldnt that tell you a lot already? :| Well he can vbet 9x there because Elky either has Ax or a pair lower than 9x the vast majority of time but that doesnt means he bluffs much in that spot and it would be so weird for Dwan to c-bet 9 high on that board that small ammount oop vs 4 opponents imo, for sure its a valuebet, it was small so i think Elky was forced to call but i dont think Elky calls a much bigger bet there T_T

damn wrong again? why dont you "T_T" too :<

On May 03 2010 23:27 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On May 03 2010 21:25 PoorUser wrote:   On May 03 2010 19:55 Baal wrote:   On May 03 2010 10:04 PoorUser wrote:   On May 03 2010 04:54 Baal wrote:   On May 03 2010 02:20 PoorUser wrote:   On May 03 2010 02:11 Baal wrote: the fuck is Dwan talking about Elkys call is not insta when Dwan is probably never bluffing there. T_T. im not saying its not a call when elky is getting nearly 4-1 for a call but he took 16 seconds to call and Dwan seems way too upset about it. from what the people said it sounded like elky thought for a long time and they just editted his thought time out. seems kinda out of line for dwan to say something to elky but i guess it was while he was getting raped by isildur so its ok but was T_T'ing at 'when Dwan is probably never bluffing there'. elky probably has the top of his range, minus a very rare ax (call 5th pot flop check behind turn). if dwan can vb 9x pretty confidently shouldnt that tell you a lot already? :| Well he can vbet 9x there because Elky either has Ax or a pair lower than 9x the vast majority of time but that doesnt means he bluffs much in that spot and it would be so weird for Dwan to c-bet 9 high on that board that small ammount oop vs 4 opponents imo, for sure its a valuebet, it was small so i think Elky was forced to call but i dont think Elky calls a much bigger bet there T_T damn wrong again? why dont you "T_T" too :<

On May 03 2010 19:55 Baal wrote:
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On May 03 2010 10:04 PoorUser wrote:

On May 03 2010 04:54 Baal wrote:

On May 03 2010 02:20 PoorUser wrote:

On May 03 2010 02:11 Baal wrote:
the fuck is Dwan talking about Elkys call is not insta when Dwan is probably never bluffing there.


T_T.


im not saying its not a call when elky is getting nearly 4-1 for a call but he took 16 seconds to call and Dwan seems way too upset about it.



from what the people said it sounded like elky thought for a long time and they just editted his thought time out. seems kinda out of line for dwan to say something to elky but i guess it was while he was getting raped by isildur so its ok

but was T_T'ing at 'when Dwan is probably never bluffing there'. elky probably has the top of his range, minus a very rare ax (call 5th pot flop check behind turn). if dwan can vb 9x pretty confidently shouldnt that tell you a lot already? :|



Well he can vbet 9x there because Elky either has Ax or a pair lower than 9x the vast majority of time but that doesnt means he bluffs much in that spot and it would be so weird for Dwan to c-bet 9 high on that board that small ammount oop vs 4 opponents imo, for sure its a valuebet, it was small so i think Elky was forced to call but i dont think Elky calls a much bigger bet there

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you think its weird for dwan to cbet <9x but not TT into 4 other people?