KK RR-Pot 3way

I know I have medjlik crushed, don't have much history with reefy. Problem is reefy probably knows medjlik is kinda weakish, so I figured he could be making a strong move.

Well, I'm confused

Submitted by : Tycho

PokerStars Game #10666964508: Hold'em No Limit ($1/$2) - 2007/06/28 - 17:00:54 (ET)
Table 'Ingeborg V' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: Reefypoopoo ($235.10 in chips)
Seat 2: hartsa ($387.20 in chips)
Seat 3: PretenderTUW ($288.90 in chips)
Seat 4: Capps420 ($161.75 in chips)
Seat 5: Lucky69han ($174.20 in chips)
Seat 6: mjedlick ($345.05 in chips)
Lucky69han: posts small blind $1
mjedlick: posts big blind $2

Holecards
Dealt to PretenderTUW
Reefypoopoo: raises $6 to $8
hartsa: folds
PretenderTUW : raises $18 to $26
Capps420: folds
Lucky69han: folds
mjedlick: calls $24
Reefypoopoo: calls $18

Flop (Pot : $79.00)

   
mjedlick: checks
Reefypoopoo: checks
PretenderTUW : bets $52
mjedlick: calls $52
Reefypoopoo: raises $157.10 to $209.10 and is all-in

mjedi's cold call of the 3 bet scares me. I think i can find a fold here esp when he flats flop too. based on action i fold this.

i was positive mjedi's was holding crap or JJ/TT, hes a total donk

I usually end up calling in these situations but IMO this is an ez fold.

o boy, you're so screwed.

I think it's pretty safe to assume at least one of them has you beat.

yeah sometimes u gotta call becauase of cold, called, it sucks when the idiot folds tho.

call .. cant foldvv

well, i think the only hand taking this line that you beat is a spade draw. Reefy poo poo did raise UTG, does he do this with all PP? Do you think he would ever flat after mjedlick flats with AA? Would he call after mjedlick calls with AQ JQ KQ? It's a really really tough spot. If reefy is tighter and probably doesnt raise anything other than suited broad way as far as suited cards go it really puts him on a range of only AK, KQ, QJ, JT, KT, JT, AT etc. And then these have to be suited. Also it could be possible he has 44. If he's also competent enough to be aware the mjedlick is a donk then the possibility for him to make a move with these FD's rises significantly. We're really only in trouble if he has the 44 or the Q and I'm not sure any decent player is going to play many hands to this action that contain a Q.

I really think this is probably a call...

from me and freak (landerD):

you have 2 options

1. 70 on flop, fold to this shove after betting 70. you can't bet less because mjedi is so likely to c/c and that gives reefy such excellent odds with a FD (esp given that you're now committed to playing for stacks). also, if you bet 70, it is much harder/worse for reefy to be making any kind of crazy move (even though it's crazy in this spot too), so it makes your fold clearer.

2. check behind. if you check behind and...
- the turn bricks, and jedi leads then reefy shoves, your hand is underrepped and you probably have reefy beaten and you almost certainly have jedi beaten, so you call the shove. you're definitely WA/WB reefy here, but you are WA far more often.
- the turn bricks, and jedi checks then reefy bets, just call because you're WA/WB and you're not sure the frequencies of those two states. if jedi now shoves over your call, you fold instantly.
- the turn bricks, and both players check. value bet around 70 and play just like on the flop.
- the turn is a really awful card like the Ts, Js, As...play for a cheap showdown, maybe sneak in a value bet on the river if your opponents both check twice (and it's not a fourth spade)

hope that helps

i don't think this is a call as played. reefy just isn't capable of making a huge move here. he doesn't have TT and he doesn't have spades. he's 22/13 and his AF is kinda low. yeah he's aggro but he's neither sick enough to think so deeply that you can call here, nor is he maniacal enough to shove here just because he's insane.

addendum:

from option 2, checking behind:

- if the turn brings a low spade, we are vbetting the turn if checked to, then usually checking down on any river. we are calling a turn bet and folding to river strength as well. sometimes if our read is really good we can vbet the turn and do something like vbet the river for the same amount, in the case that the action goes like...

turn: [low spade], jedi checks, reefy checks, you vbet, jedi reluctantly calls, reefy folds...river blanks, jedi checks...now you can vbet again probably, unless you just have a bad feeling about the situation.

that said, i prefer to check behind here rather than 70 the flop and fold to this kind of action. i think the presence of jedi being a really bad player, along with the fact that checking allows us to play really well against reefy, combined with us having position means that we will get more value by checking here and playing correctly from there out. if jedi was more of a tough player, i think i would prefer bet/fold the flop.

addendum again:

from option 2, checking behind

- the turn bricks and jedi bets and reefy folds. pretty clear you're playing for value here but raising is probably out of the question. call, re-evaluate a river bet, and definitely vbet the river if he checks.


* furthermore, when we said...

- the turn bricks, and jedi leads then reefy shoves, your hand is underrepped and you probably have reefy beaten and you almost certainly have jedi beaten, so you call the shove. you're definitely WA/WB reefy here, but you are WA far more often.

we are assuming that your read remains that jedi is not strong. if for some reason you are just certain jedi's lead is really strong, then you're in trouble and should probably fold.

fold then make a note to stab him in the face if you see him for having a queen in this spot.

BLEH

no wonder postcounts are so high, you make like 5 posts for the same hand in a row :-P. Anyways, bet a little more on the flop and then fold. As played, fold.

results?

On January 05 2011 22:40 Reefypoopoo wrote: results?

LOL?

I fail to see how this flopbet should be bigger. What on earth do you accomplish on this type of board with a big bet? This board is perfect for 52$.

i like flop check ;-0

Im sure the op likes your comments 3,5 years ago