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NewbSaibot   United States. Apr 17 2018 13:40. Posts 4822
Been awhile... actually I couldnt connect to LP.net for like the last 6 months, not sure why site would just time out. Was randomly clicking bookmarks today and it opened up!

So much has happened... for starters, my pretty little cheapo Saab blew up on me Coolant jug sprung a leak and before I knew it my temp gauge was red lining while driving home. Pulled over, popped the hood and some hose blew off and started spraying boiling coolant everywhere. Luckily my training kicked in and I was able to do an aerial split tsukahara flyaway and didnt get any on me. But I was told I blew a head gasket and warped the cylinder heads. Estimate to fix? $4000. So much for my piddling little poker bankroll I was growing. And my checking account. And my savings. Any literally every last dime I had to my name.

Since the repairs were more than the car was worth I junked it and got a loan for a newer car that is certainly more reliable and one in which any repair shop can work on. I bought a 2013 Nissan Altima. 67k miles and seems to be in great condition, only downside is that due to declaring bankruptcy last year I got stiffed with a 16% APR loan lol. But I really had no choice, because no car = no job.

Which brings us around full circle, because I finally quit my job! How did I quit my job with no poker bankroll, no income at all to speak of, and a car loan on top? Easy, by just giving up on life! You can do it too! In reality I put my last $500 on to ignition and decided I was going to move home where I could sleep on my mom's couch and live rent free for a bit until I got a job again. I quit my current job because it was making me borderline suicidal. I hated it so much. I worked IT for a collection agency which has to be one of the most subhuman morally reprehensible industries on earth. While I wasnt doing the thieving, just working there made me so ashamed. What a fucking trash company that was. And after my 1 year anniversary and numerous discussions about a raise and promotion, coupled with completing the most important project our team was tasked with in the last 5 years, I get passed over with a "ok so we're gonna put you on a review period for this promotion, unpaid of course to see if you can handle it, and then reconvene next quarter". I walked out of the meeting, gathered my personal belongings, left the office and never came back. I just cant bring myself to get horse fucked that badly. Call it pride or whatever, but I have a few principles in me and running the entire desktop support team by myself, overworked, no overtime (just told to take long lunch breaks to make up for it) and meeting all objectives just to be given the endless runaround? No sir, fuck you. FUUUUUUCK YOU. I fucking hope it stung them as bad as they did me leaving the dept in shambles and forcing them to miss all their deadlines for the next big software upgrade cycle since I was the only one who knew how to assemble the packages.

Anyyyyyyyway... so this new girl I was seeing at the time invited me to come stay with her rather than move out of state, and in that time I've been grinding my online roll using hilariously bad bankroll management up to 3k playing NL200 now. This means I can actually pay my bills. I'm pretty sure Ive been running hot but hey we all deserve a little rungood sometimes dont we? I actually do NOT intend to move up any higher since my goal now is just self-sustainability, and NL200 seems to offer that. I can afford my car payment, my tiny bit of gas since i dont drive anywhere, and food in my belly. All things considered thats all I need right now. If and when I grind up to 10k or something I may or may not start playing live again, namely because I am really enjoying the freedom and lack of expenses associated with playing online. I'd probably rather grind NL200 online than 2/5 live. Those tips/food/gas/accommodations really take a bite out of your earnings.

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listening to edzwoo has made u a nit... *sigh* - Zalfor 

dnagardi   Hungary. Apr 17 2018 19:40. Posts 1541

I dont get it why are some ppl so obsessed with playing poker for a living while they obviously cant afford it. I would advise you to stay away from poker, get normal job or an education which you like


NewbSaibot   United States. Apr 17 2018 21:29. Posts 4822

Well telling someone they cant "afford" to play poker is like saying they cant afford to be an artist. While it might not be profitable to pursue such a career, the passion to do so exists nonetheless. I've worked jobs before. I'm in my 30's now and have climbed the proverbial corporate ladder starting at 28k salary all the way to 64k in a manner of 15 years. And before that I did typical highschool stuff like work as a cashier. I even had a paper route as a kid which I used to buy a gameboy and super nintendo. I hated every minute of it for all 15+ years, even the paper route. But like most people I accepted that this is my life, and this is just what you do. Was I suffering? Of course not. But I was never happy. Poker is the only lifestyle that I have truly felt at peace with. Maybe it's being able to sleep in every day. Maybe it's being able to take time off without asking permission. I think a big part of it is simply not being reliant upon a single individual who can choose to ruin my life at their whim via termination, demotion, etc. Is this what being a business owner feels like? Answering to no one but yourself? I dont know, but thats what it sure feels like. It's very empowering to be your own boss.

I had actually gone so far as to study which cars are best for living out of and how to be homeless without living on the streets in the event I could support myself at NL50. How I could buy a used Toyota Prius who's rear seats fold down completely flat so you can rest evenly, and who's climate control can be run off the hybrid battery using about half a gallon of gas per night, whilst maintaining a stealthy appearance so you can camp out in neighborhoods and what not without drawing attention. What kind of food is best for storage, and what gym's are best for memberships so you can use their showers and bathrooms. Playing poker for a living means that much to me. That I'd rather live out of my car than be beholden to some cunt who's mission in life is to deliberately hold me back and pay me as little as I'm willing to take to keep me from quitting, and even then I am still dispensable if I fuss too much. That type of submission has been my entire life up until this point, even with the decent paying jobs I always had a boss who ultimately always decides my fate. I just didnt want that any more. Now I decide my fate.

listening to edzwoo has made u a nit... *sigh* - Zalfor 

Floofy   Canada. Apr 17 2018 23:14. Posts 8667

Not sure if this will help in any ways, but i'm personally doing a tech support job where there is no calls 40% of the time (because we offer a near instant service). In this 40% i can play games or browse reddit etc. I'm kinda enjoying it.

About poker, its fine for now, but i doubt its a good idea long term. Games are likely to only get tougher. You get no social benefits, etc.

That being said, being your own boss might not be a terrible idea. My GF is her own boss. Essentially, i decided she's good at massages so we decided she's a massage therapist. She's making 40$/hour doing massages at our home. She takes time off whenever the fuck she wants

This might be completly random and potentially stupid, but you could maybe attempt programming stuff. Some people are making fortunes doing shit mobile games lol. Or maybe try to learn about starting your own company.

james9994: make note dont play against floofy, ;( 

PuertoRican   United States. Apr 18 2018 07:00. Posts 11142


  On April 17 2018 20:29 NewbSaibot wrote:
Well telling someone they cant "afford" to play poker is like saying they cant afford to be an artist. While it might not be profitable to pursue such a career, the passion to do so exists nonetheless.


I wouldn't compare playing poker to being an artist.

Most people aren't artists because they're trying to make money to support themselves. They're people who grind as artists for most of their lives with not much to show for it, while only 1% or less from each artistic field actually make enough money to live off of.

You play poker because you need money, and you aren't comfortable doing anything else in life.

The best thing to do while you still have a bankroll is to take your mom's offer and move back home. While there, you can still grind poker while finding a real job that will bring in consistent paychecks.

Like you said, you're currently running good. One bad night/week/month can put you on tilt and take away everything you have, thus leaving you no choice but to move back home. So why wait? I'd suggest to move back home asap.

Rekrul is a newb 

LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Apr 18 2018 10:00. Posts 14590

You know there's people who actually love to compete, study and play poker by choice PuertoRican?
People with education who have had careers, good education and do it by choice, not because they have to, but because they want to?

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LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Apr 18 2018 10:15. Posts 14590

having said that
based on the information I have Saibot
You're a fucking degen and will fail ineviteably if you play online haha

You need to
1) Cut your espenses
- move to a cheaper country
- or back home
- ditch the car altogether
2) Dont be stupid when it comes to BRM
coming from live with 3k now you should be hopping between NL25 and NL50 while studying heavily

3) get some damn resolve, what the fuck happened you you being a live pro, you seemed so excited
You have to constantly study when you want to beat online poker, you will hit rough stretches and have to go through those too


If you stay on the current path you will dissapear again for a while only to come back saying you're quitting yet another job or post how you were unlucky and failed



NL5 Grinder 4LifeLast edit: 18/04/2018 10:21

NewbSaibot   United States. Apr 18 2018 10:56. Posts 4822


  On April 18 2018 06:00 PuertoRican wrote:
The best thing to do while you still have a bankroll is to take your mom's offer and move back home. While there, you can still grind poker while finding a real job that will bring in consistent paychecks.

This is one common statement I've always had issue with. Tell someone who just got laid off how consistent their pay is. Walk into the HR department of any large business and ask how many people they fired today. I know at my job it was about 15-20 per day, out of about 1600 employees. I know this because our team was responsible for disabling their user accounts when it happens, and we were on a "NLE - No Longer Employed" email group. Each one of those people blindsided by what they thought was a consistent paycheck. If anything I have had more fear of inconsistent pay working a job than I ever had as a poker player. My failures as a poker player were my fault and my fault alone. You can be the best employee on your team but if the boss thinks he can hire 2 people for the price of 1 then you're gone. Heck if you dont act a certain way around certain people you're gone. To me thats more scary than regs outplaying me or just running bad for a few months.

As to managing my current finances well I have cut them. Instead of living at home I'm living with my girlfriend who charges me nothing since the only added expense she has incurred is higher utility bills which I pay the difference for. (If last year her elec bill was $80 and this year it's $120 I give her $40, plus a healthy serving of D of course). I pay for my own food, gas, car, insurance, etc. I actually have been applying for jobs, had a few interviews that went well but no follow ups. I definitely dont want a car payment, that occurred when I was still employed. Despite how good of a car it is, it's a 10k loan and if I can dump it for another 3k banger as a poker player then I will. I only got a 10k car so I'd have something reliable for work since I cant go missing multiple days in a road saying my car is in the shop, and uber rides were costing $50/day roundtrip.

I actually grinded about 20k hands at NL50 on ignition and was up $300 or so. What was killing me was the rake, $4 per pot any time I got stacks in. But I have considered just full timing it since $500/month profit might actually be livable. Now that I have a 3k roll I've put the job hunt on hiatus at the moment so I dont jeopardize my poker potential, since I dont believe working and playing poker mesh well together. You come home exhausted not thinking as sharply as you would if you had the day off, and you miss out on prime time hours between 11pm-3am EST since you're sleeping.

listening to edzwoo has made u a nit... *sigh* - Zalfor 

Floofy   Canada. Apr 19 2018 03:49. Posts 8667

I don't know how it is in USA, but where i live when you lose your job you get a pretty decent "Job insurance" salary. And worst case, if u dont find a job whitin 4-6 months, there is still "social security" which is 600$/month.

Playing poker full time for a living for 500$/month sounds like a terrible idea to me. You're better off trying to find a job where its possible to play it on your cell during the job hahaha

james9994: make note dont play against floofy, ;( 

NewbSaibot   United States. Apr 19 2018 14:52. Posts 4822

In the USA you only collect unemployment benefits if you are terminated. If you willfully quit your job like I did you get nothing for obvious reasons For the moment a $500/month income would still maintain my quality of life since I live in a 2 bedroom apt in a nice area of town, have a car, and food. So it's not like im slumming it. The worst case scenario fallback plan was just $500/month living out of my car. I think it would be more stressful if I was thrust into homelessness with no hope in sight. There's just something different about it when you make the choice willingly. Definitely not looking forward to that idea though.

Anyway I snagged a copy of DriveHUD to track results and will post here and there if things go well

listening to edzwoo has made u a nit... *sigh* - Zalfor 

LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Apr 19 2018 19:22. Posts 14590

I'd be like super surprised if you actually stick to being an online pro
Hope you make it, post hands and stuff

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dnagardi   Hungary. Apr 19 2018 20:37. Posts 1541

as I understand you want a job without a boss telling you what to do. There are lot of other options beside playing low stakes poker to be self employed.
isnt this some kind of addiction to poker?


NewbSaibot   United States. Apr 20 2018 00:02. Posts 4822


  On April 19 2018 19:37 dnagardi wrote:
as I understand you want a job without a boss telling you what to do. There are lot of other options beside playing low stakes poker to be self employed.
isnt this some kind of addiction to poker?

I dont really know of any other options. At least nothing that wouldnt require years of training and education or something starting from the ground up. At least with poker I have some of that training already under my belt.

listening to edzwoo has made u a nit... *sigh* - Zalfor 

Baalim   Mexico. Apr 20 2018 03:41. Posts 32167

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Floofy   Canada. Apr 20 2018 04:50. Posts 8667

Btw not all IT jobs sucks. Just find the right one for u. I like mine.

james9994: make note dont play against floofy, ;( 

iop   Sweden. Apr 20 2018 14:23. Posts 4943


  On April 18 2018 09:56 NewbSaibot wrote:
Instead of living at home I'm living with my girlfriend who charges me nothing since the only added expense she has incurred is higher utility bills which I pay the difference for. (If last year her elec bill was $80 and this year it's $120 I give her $40, plus a healthy serving of D of course). I pay for my own food, gas, car, insurance, etc.



It doesn't really sound like you're living together, it sounds like you're renting a shared room from a girl you're seeing. You don't really buy your own food when you're living with your girlfriend.

Hope you make it out the other side a float man, you're choices must put a lot of strain on the heart.

Milkman lol i didnt spend half a thousand on a phone so i could play it cool and be all stealth 

iop   Sweden. Apr 20 2018 14:26. Posts 4943


  On April 18 2018 09:56 NewbSaibot wrote:
Walk into the HR department of any large business and ask how many people they fired today. I know at my job it was about 15-20 per day, out of about 1600 employees.



I don't man, unless it's a telemarketing call centre, I have a hard time seeing a 1,600 person company firing over >1% of it's staff on a daily basis.


  On April 18 2018 09:56 NewbSaibot wrote:
Instead of living at home I'm living with my girlfriend who charges me nothing since the only added expense she has incurred is higher utility bills which I pay the difference for. (If last year her elec bill was $80 and this year it's $120 I give her $40, plus a healthy serving of D of course). I pay for my own food, gas, car, insurance, etc.

It doesn't really sound like you're living together, it sounds like you're renting a shared room from a girl you're seeing. You don't really buy your own food when you're living with your girlfriend.



Hope you make it out the other side a float man, you're choices must put a lot of strain on the heart



  On April 18 2018 09:56 NewbSaibot wrote:
I only got a 10k car so I'd have something reliable for work since I cant go missing multiple days in a road saying my car is in the shop, and uber rides were costing $50/day roundtrip.



Considering your net worth, a 10k car seems a bit extravagant, especially since you don't need it since you don't have a job to drive to?

Milkman lol i didnt spend half a thousand on a phone so i could play it cool and be all stealthLast edit: 20/04/2018 14:29

NewbSaibot   United States. Apr 20 2018 15:38. Posts 4822


  On April 20 2018 13:26 iop wrote:
Considering your net worth, a 10k car seems a bit extravagant, especially since you don't need it since you don't have a job to drive to?

Oh absolutely, car is a huge money pit now since it just sits in the drive way all day getting maybe 20 miles per week put on it. Remember I bought it when I really needed something reliable for work. I already lost over 3k on the Saab which was my attempt to be frugal/responsible and only buy an A to B car. Problem is now I'm stuck with a payment, since I cant exactly cash out my roll to buy a car anymore.

listening to edzwoo has made u a nit... *sigh* - Zalfor 

casinocasino   Canada. Apr 20 2018 19:47. Posts 3309

Every year I read a similar blog from you..


LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Apr 20 2018 20:38. Posts 14590


  On April 20 2018 18:47 casinocasino wrote:
Every year I read a similar blog from you..


lol you're right
https://www.liquidpoker.net/blog/viewblog.php?id=1147701
more or less exactly a year ago :D

NL5 Grinder 4LifeLast edit: 20/04/2018 20:48

 
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