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I dont ever want to have a car payment again.

My goal either through live shot taking or online shot taking is to grind a new bankroll up to 30k and then become a pro again, and this time do things right.

'm really enjoying having an easier job for once. So you know, we'll see where I really end up. It'll just be really cute if this time next year I'm writing a blog on $250 to $30k bankroll challenge

How have you not been able to run up even a small roll in a year? You talk about how you want the freedom of playing for a living, but you literally want to put in minimal effort.

You don't want to play poker for a living. You're lazy and just want an easy life with no responsibilities.

build from 50nl, there's no reason to start at 200nl if all you need is 500/month for now


You should read through your past blogs for perspective..


What's your backup plan if you go broke playing poker? I suggest you set a deadline on how long you want to try this, along with a goal (and post it here for accountability). If you don't achieve the goal at the end of your deadline, then make yourself quit poker. This is what I'm doing now, since I started playing online again a few months ago. Without any self analysis you risk being stuck in this self destructive loop

On April 20 2018 22:31 Trav94 wrote: How have you not been able to run up even a small roll in a year? You talk about how you want the freedom of playing for a living, but you literally want to put in minimal effort. You don't want to play poker for a living. You're lazy and just want an easy life with no responsibilities.

On April 21 2018 00:59 k4ir0s wrote: build from 50nl, there's no reason to start at 200nl if all you need is 500/month for now You should read through your past blogs for perspective.. What's your backup plan if you go broke playing poker? I suggest you set a deadline on how long you want to try this, along with a goal (and post it here for accountability). If you don't achieve the goal at the end of your deadline, then make yourself quit poker. This is what I'm doing now, since I started playing online again a few months ago. Without any self analysis you risk being stuck in this self destructive loop

he can move back home and look for jobs
I actually think going for it without having a backup plan (or at least the illusion that "this is it" is good for you, you just whatever you have to do to succeed.
You have to actually grit your teeth and do the work tho heh, not go "fuck learning at NL50 rake's too high xD"

well I assume you are still young. If you plan ahead attend some learning course (dont have to be university) for 1-2 years which gives you a decent profession you like then you can still live nicely for the next 40 years

On April 21 2018 07:35 LemOn[5thF] wrote: Show nested quote + On April 21 2018 00:59 k4ir0s wrote: build from 50nl, there's no reason to start at 200nl if all you need is 500/month for now You should read through your past blogs for perspective.. What's your backup plan if you go broke playing poker? I suggest you set a deadline on how long you want to try this, along with a goal (and post it here for accountability). If you don't achieve the goal at the end of your deadline, then make yourself quit poker. This is what I'm doing now, since I started playing online again a few months ago. Without any self analysis you risk being stuck in this self destructive loop he can move back home and look for jobs I actually think going for it without having a backup plan (or at least the illusion that "this is it" is good for you, you just whatever you have to do to succeed. You have to actually grit your teeth and do the work tho heh, not go "fuck learning at NL50 rake's too high xD"

for sure. I tell myself that I have no backup plan. technically i do have one, but part of me would rather die than fail some of us just aren't cut out for the 9 to 5 life

On April 20 2018 22:31 Trav94 wrote: How have you not been able to run up even a small roll in a year?

Because I was living paycheck to paycheck, and what little I was able to save was always spent on emergencies. I guess what I'm really trying to do is just commit myself to poker by putting all my eggs in one basket, so at least that way I wont have any excuses as for why I didnt even try.

Using my bitpay card loaded with funds withdrawn from Ignition to buy food the last few days has been more rewarding than an entire year of earning a paycheck being told what to do at my company.

You don't want to play poker for a living. You're lazy and just want an easy life with no responsibilities.

Mostly sure, but if I have a skillset that enables me to do this is that so bad?

You already invested in the car, seems like a freeroll to shove the raise or I quit line at least.
Having said that, anything to accelerate building your br, which includes sucking back your pride for another quarter, would've been an overall more +EV move finance wise.

Based on your replies, obviously you don't care for any of that, but let me ask you something no one else has so far; what are you doing to improve in poker? You skill set is is relative to everyone else's skill set, or lack there of. Lets assume your current run hot win rate is sustainable - how long before your competition catches up? Also you mentioned you're in your 30s now, and lets not kid ourselves, mental capacity is downhill from here on out just like our bodies. So whats the plan for improvement?

^ well I've always struggled with training when it comes to emulation vs application. I learn best as a doer vs study. I have to actually play and make mistakes to realize what's going on. So to answer your question, I improve through the following:

Playing

Looking at opponent hole cards (ignition lets you download these whether they mucked or not), this is insanely valuable for understanding how a lot of players approach hands

Watching Doug Polk vids

Watching Live at the bike (Bart Hansen does an excellent commentary/practically free coaching through this)

Reading "PAHWM (Play a hand with me)" threads on 2p2

Bouncing hands off the 2 successful poker friends I have (I dont do this often so as to avoid bugging them, but they both make 6 figures per year and are willing to talk to me)

Posting here to get berated and consider alternative points of view to poker in general

If you wait until you're ready, you'll be waiting for the rest of your life

On April 22 2018 17:17 NewbSaibot wrote: ^ well I've always struggled with training when it comes to emulation vs application. I learn best as a doer vs study. I have to actually play and make mistakes to realize what's going on.

In case you didn't realize this, if you're playing 200NL on a 3k bankroll with no other income source, you really can't afford to make mistakes to learn. Back when poker was easy, I think most responses on forums was to have 6-12 month of living expenses put aside (range referenced as a minimum, some say 6 months some say 12, etc.)

On April 22 2018 17:41 NewbSaibot wrote: If you wait until you're ready, you'll be waiting for the rest of your life

That hardly applies to you. If anything you should plan.. like just a little bit. Anyways, good luck this time around.

^ well saving 20k+ will take me years at this point, since the holes in my resume are only qualifying me for entry level IT work under 40k salary. Look I get it, I'm not delusional, I recognize the risk of ruin is almost 100%. But if I dont at least try to play i'll certainly fail. I'll save future blog updates for actual results from now on though since I know how annoying it is to see someone talk about trying to succeed and only just fail fail fail

Your learning plan sucks for Online poker, it's like you're ready to fail without actually trying
TBH I didn't even ask you because it was obvious without you even saying anything

I think today's climate favors the off table study player more than the 'learn by doing it' type of player,most of the very good players today are deep into the piosolver and off table study game, and if you don't excel in that area, it is unlikely you will do well, although you may still earn a modest living. one thing you have going for you is that you are american and that means you can still make it in online poker, since the american sites are a couple years behind pokerstars in terms of skill level.

All of the approaches you listed for learning poker are not good ones, imo: watching doug polk and live at the bike is fairly useless, so is watching runitonce, and posting hands on forums is also fairly useless. If you do well for a reasonable sample on ignition poker, and want to do serious off table work, I could help you in the off table analysis area since that's the only way i study poker and it is what i excel at. Ignition is the perfect site for off table study, as well.

^ ok as soon as I put in 50k hands I'll seek some hand review / training / whatever. You guys think I should go back and play NL200 live? The big motivator to play on Ignition besides being on a short roll was downloading my opponents hole cards and seeing the LUL worthy hands theyre playing. I mean look at this shit lol

Hand History driven straight to this forum by DriveHUD - http://drivehud.com

NL Holdem $2(BB)
HERO ($198)
SB ($75)
BB ($243.2)
UTG ($246.68)
HJ ($251.18)
CO ($285)

Dealt to Hero Jd Qd

UTG Folds, HJ Raises To $8, CO Calls $8 , HERO Raises To $35, SB Folds, BB Folds, HJ Calls $27), CO Raises To $277, HERO Folds, HJ Calls $216.18 (allin)

Flop ($574.18) 7s 4c Td

Turn ($574.18) 7s 4c Td Ah

River ($574.18) 7s 4c Td Ah 6c

HJ shows Kh 6h

CO shows Kc Ac

CO wins $536.36


This is like super regular occurrence at this limit on Ignition

I'm not rooting for you to fail and I'm not bothered seeing your blog. I'm just not sure you realize the variance involved in this game. I feel like you're finding ways to stack the deck against yourself and justify it by saying you're not cut out for 9-5, or how you're being mistreated at your job, or waiting gets nothing done. Those are to all truths to some degree, but we all make sacrifices one way or another.

Look, I'm not saying don't follow your dream, I'm saying the way you are going about it now, you're making it more likely to fail than to succeed because you don't have the necessary financial buffer to withstand a downswing. I'm saying your skill set now may work for this site you're playing on, but with almost 100% certainty, your skill set in time, will either not be suffice as others catchup or as your mental capacity/capabilities deteriorate.

The reason why I brought up the car is because you obviously needed one for the job you had. That car was serving a purpose, now its a drain on your monthly expenses. If you went and got another job, shit even stocking shelves at a grocery store, that would cover your monthly expenses including food and car and pride via I dunno, helping your girlfriend out with some of the household bills, your bankroll will still be growing faster playing a lower number of hours because you're not taking your BR to pay for bills and 18% loan for your car. Knowing that your job is an acceleration towards your goal/dream will make it that much easier to grind out the mindless hours.

If you're so set on going down this path of only poker, I would personally play whatever game has the lowest variance, be it live or ignite. If ignite, I would definitely play smaller than 1/2

edit: There used to be a poker variance calculator, I'm sure you can google one and play around on it

The only problem I have with NL200 live is that the players are buying in so short and the rake is the same as 2/5 @ $7 per hand. So you get people with $80 opening for $15. Just felt like playing a super short 2/5 game. At least on IG most of the people are sitting 75-125BB.

This blogs are pretty interesting like the old Neilley's ones, getting a glimpse into the inner workings of a self-delusion

well neilly posted blogs painting himself as a winning player who for a variety of circumstances just didnt have a bankroll at the moment. I suppose if there's any delusion I have it's that I might someday have a bankroll

The reality is that I post here for ya'lls amusement. The only reason I still play honestly is because my game today is not the same game it was 2 years ago or 2 years before that. I'm not saying I've improved, I'm just saying I play completely different, and therefore feel I'm always in the "testing phase" of whether or not this time I will yield strong results.

The other big issue for me is how to study. I have never once seen a video, read a book, a forum post, an article, or anything meaningful whatsoever that addresses some of the ludicrous play you see at small stakes. Every training video or book tends to just focus on rather straight forward play and none of the unorthodox stuff that requires a solid week of observation to encounter. Because of this I run into lots of issues with the spastic players and just cant make the proper adjustments.