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Lieutenant_OH7   Belgium. Mar 06 2017 16:43. Posts 5

I have been into poker cashgames and MTTs since a few months, I used to play hold'em with playchips, but that was years ago. I wasn't taking it very serious, but the game suited me well, and I wanted to try it with real money at some point... Took a few years until I really got back into poker, and 4months ago I finally started...

I was succesful in some MTTs, and won 8 of those in a pretty short time. I mainly focused on cashgames though, which seem to suit me a lot more, I realised some time later... Started playing cashgames on a bitcoin poker site (Betcoin), read a good review about it and gave it a try with my very first deposit. Quite some gamblers/fish on there so that helped to make some profit already... I played on 2 other poker providers, one of the few sites only that are legal in my country (Belgium). I got better and more refined in the game as I played cashgames. Since some time I also multi-table which worked well too.
I did loose some money, but got better along the way, more insight into the game etc, so that motivated me to continue...

But now my problem:
I was able to make really nice profits in a short time, like I started with 10$ buy-in in a room, and in the same room I went up to almost 100$, playing some hours. That convinced me I could really make good money with poker, and the possibilities had to be even much better than this, since I was still playing at really low stakes... But the problem was I seemed to loose a lot of that money in the end... Did I play too loose or overconfident when I got a big stack? Was I lucky and did I think I was already that great because I made great profit, and kept on making mistakes, after those upswings?
I think it's a combination of all those things...

But the surprising (or not surprising) thing was that this pattern seemed to repeat itself later on, in a very similar way. I won a lot in a period like a day, but lost it again sooner or later, and offcourse that frustrated me...
AT some point I made more than 300euros in a day, and that really gave me wings... I was convinced that I could be a professional poker player, and the possibilities had to be much greater than this, in the end...
But even then I couldn't continue and keep those good results day after day... I didn't want to give up and I started again on the bitcoin site, playing up to 3 tables at a time, and they offer a nice VIP system with rakeback.
It did seem to going better than before, even with some downswings.
At times I did get mad and frustrated on bad beats and bad luck, cuz I thought I was so unlucky at times (I do have similar problems in life in general). But I still wanted to continue, thinking I also learned out of the hands that went wrong...

But so to cut my story short: I would love to be a professional poker player, I really like the game... For example the strategic thinking, the learning and evolving, the fact that you can play it from wherever you live, at any time. That you are not dependant on other people or a boss, etc... I feel like I really need it, to give me the (financial) freedom I'm looking for in life. I do have an income now, so in theory I don't need the money... I don't have a job though, and a "regular job" is just not an option for me (anymore). I was so euphoric when my earnings began to be really good playing cash games, and at another time when it went bad, I cried of pure sadness...
I don't want to give up that dream yet, thinking I really have the talent for this game, and already proven that I can do it, despite the losses...
But I can't deny that it's not really good for me if bad beats do get me mad, and my play might suffer under that too. Or the financial losses if I couldn't get my earnings and positive balance stable... In my opinion it's easier to find that balance though when you play games, rather than tournaments. I also feel that there is more luck involved in tournaments...

I do think the only way to find out for sure is maybe to give it once last chance, and do my very best to get it going... I gave myself a period of at least a few weeks now to consider, what the best thing is to do, because this is really a difficult situation for me. So I stopped playing for now...
It's quite important to me because if I could be a poker pro, it could really give me the life I want... That I can live independent (now living with my parents still), build something up and have the money in life to make plans etc... (Now I just have a limited income). Thats why I don't want to give up that quickly, but maybe you guys have a different opinion. At this moment I just wouldn't know what else to do if I had to forget about poker. So only if I'd see it really is not for me, or does not work out, I'd stop...
I'm also thinking, if poker is not for me, what do these pros have or can do what I could not? That might sound a bit arrogant, but I really believe I have all the skills to be a great player... I might not have nerves of steel, and I do have my flaws, but so does everyone, I think.

All ideas, advice or inspiration is appreciated!

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ggplz   Sweden. Mar 06 2017 21:10. Posts 16605

This has to be a joke, right? If not, do something else and keep poker as a hobby. You will not make enough money to be pro. I'm not going to reply to the whole post as it would probably take forever to convince you but that's the truth.

if poker is dangerous to them i would rank sports betting as a Kodiak grizzly bear who smells blood after you just threw a javelin into his cub - RaiNKhAN 

Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Mar 06 2017 21:37. Posts 7710

If running 10$ into 100$ in a few hours gives you enough confidence, then you should really fully review your decision-making process regarding anything


Lieutenant_OH7   Belgium. Mar 07 2017 00:11. Posts 5


  On March 06 2017 20:10 ggplz wrote:
This has to be a joke, right? If not, do something else and keep poker as a hobby. You will not make enough money to be pro. I'm not going to reply to the whole post as it would probably take forever to convince you but that's the truth.



Yes it's a joke, so is your life, and probably every thing you posted on this site... Do you consider yourself so special that what you think is the truth? Doesnt sound truthful at all, and tell me, if u think u are such a great poker guru, what results have you achieved, and how much money have you made yet? You probably won't even respond to that... Grow up, little boy.


Lieutenant_OH7   Belgium. Mar 07 2017 00:12. Posts 5


  On March 06 2017 20:37 Spitfiree wrote:
If running 10$ into 100$ in a few hours gives you enough confidence, then you should really fully review your decision-making process regarding anything



Explain that more please...


Baalim   Mexico. Mar 07 2017 00:26. Posts 31200

take it easy guys he is just new and doesnt know you were like that at some point.


Anyway you are very new to this game, dont drop anything to become a poker pro, if you really enjoy it do it on the side and see how you do, but it will be a long and hard journey where you will have to learn a lot of stuff, if you think you can just sit in a table and start making money you are in for a rude awakening, you will need to watch hundreds of hours of content to start getting this game.

Turning X to Y ammount is meaningless, you wont have a clue of how good you are or arent at poker until you have played at least 1 million hands,

Ex-PokerStars Team Pro Online 

ggplz   Sweden. Mar 07 2017 01:00. Posts 16605


  On March 06 2017 23:11 Lieutenant_OH7 wrote:
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Yes it's a joke, so is your life, and probably every thing you posted on this site... Do you consider yourself so special that what you think is the truth? Doesnt sound truthful at all, and tell me, if u think u are such a great poker guru, what results have you achieved, and how much money have you made yet? You probably won't even respond to that... Grow up, little boy.


Not only are you a stupid emotional fool and rambling incoherently, you're also clearly an obnoxious tilt monkey. What was I thinking? Please, play more!! Funnel all your money into the game it's your best chance of success. You're totally right, it's clear to see you will never make it in the real world, there's no option but to pick up poker. Please, start posting your hands in the hand section on the right for advice and sign up for some rakeback deals here.

if poker is dangerous to them i would rank sports betting as a Kodiak grizzly bear who smells blood after you just threw a javelin into his cub - RaiNKhAN 

Lieutenant_OH7   Belgium. Mar 07 2017 02:41. Posts 5


  On March 07 2017 00:00 ggplz wrote:
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Not only are you a stupid emotional fool and rambling incoherently, you're also clearly an obnoxious tilt monkey. What was I thinking? Please, play more!! Funnel all your money into the game it's your best chance of success. You're totally right, it's clear to see you will never make it in the real world, there's no option but to pick up poker. Please, start posting your hands in the hand section on the right for advice and sign up for some rakeback deals here.



Bla bla, he calls me emotional but starts insulting himself, LOL... I didn't even read the rest of your post, I'll just stick with the help of actually serious people who have something useful to say, and you are clearly not one of them.


hiems   United States. Mar 07 2017 05:43. Posts 1242

loooool.

how old ru, whats ur background. how do u have income but no job? what kind of bankroll do you have? what are your career alternatives?

"That might sound a bit arrogant, but I really believe I have all the skills to be a great player... I might not have nerves of steel, and I do have my flaws, but so does everyone, I think."

What exactly do you think these skills are?


SleepyHead   . Mar 07 2017 06:12. Posts 799

Do it

How do you have a full house wtf - traxamillion 

traxamillion   United States. Mar 07 2017 08:57. Posts 10242

Sounds like he gets allowance from his parents. Why is a real job just not even an option for you?

What the good pros have that you don't have is massive experience from studying and playing 10s of thousands of hours overs years and a similar amount just studying. I believe good winners are going to be among the top 1-.1 percentile in intelligence + have other somewhat rare characteristics. Not saying you aren't smart but be honest with yourself and also realize you haven't been playing long at all.

Like some people said play in your free time. Read up on as much as you can. What stats mean. Valuebetting vs bluffing. Thinking in ranges. Pot odds. Implied odds. Reverse implied odds. Combinatorics. The basics. Then you will get into more advanced stuff like balance, equity realization and how it affects hand selection etc. (R). Using software like solvers to find the best strats and sizings for different board textures, actions, and runouts. Knowing at least some unexploitable river frequencies (ie. U pot river; u need 2/3 value 1/3 bluff to make villain indifferent with bluffcatchers stealing the equity already in the pot) and then to expand on that through the earlier streets ultimately creating a strong mixed strategy as you try to approximate an unbeatable game theory optimal strategy (the ultimate goal - Noone is there).

I imagine you think about few of those things and those are just some examples off the top of my head not nearly encompassing everything. Just to give you a hint of how far you have to go.

Keep in mind you don't just have to beat the guy next to you; you have to beat the rake too which generally has a much higher winrate than your opponents especially at the stakes you will be playing. Games aren't as soft as they used to be so rake is just becoming more and more of a factor as the field improves. Nowadays lower stakes are barely beatable and it takes much much more to move up in the old bankroll safe low RoR style.

Plus bots

GL

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traxamillion   United States. Mar 07 2017 09:03. Posts 10242

You seem to have some passion and drive. I will say that is very important. Can't really just play as a means to an end unless you are already really good and have just become jaded and don't have something better or nearly as good to do to make $

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whamm!   Albania. Mar 08 2017 00:57. Posts 11537

You might be the next IsilDurrr and we just don't know it yet. You have to find out


JonnyCosMo   United States. Mar 08 2017 01:10. Posts 7291


  On March 07 2017 05:12 SleepyHead wrote:
Do it



lolololololololol

Everyone needs to see that you are king of the castle - PoorUser 

lucky331   . Mar 08 2017 13:53. Posts 707

LOL


lucky331   . Mar 08 2017 13:57. Posts 707


  On March 06 2017 23:11 Lieutenant_OH7 wrote:
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Yes it's a joke, so is your life, and probably every thing you posted on this site... Do you consider yourself so special that what you think is the truth? Doesnt sound truthful at all, and tell me, if u think u are such a great poker guru, what results have you achieved, and how much money have you made yet? You probably won't even respond to that... Grow up, little boy.


he got you there ggplz lololol.


lucky331   . Mar 08 2017 13:58. Posts 707


  On March 07 2017 01:41 Lieutenant_OH7 wrote:
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Bla bla, he calls me emotional but starts insulting himself, LOL... I didn't even read the rest of your post, I'll just stick with the help of actually serious people who have something useful to say, and you are clearly not one of them.



why not challenge ggplz to a HU death match and see who is the better at the pokerz


lucky331   . Mar 08 2017 13:59. Posts 707


  On March 07 2017 23:57 whamm! wrote:
You might be the next IsilDurrr and we just don't know it yet. You have to find out



yes yes. live the dream and take their maney


Lieutenant_OH7   Belgium. Mar 10 2017 12:08. Posts 5


  On March 07 2017 23:57 whamm! wrote:
You might be the next IsilDurrr and we just don't know it yet. You have to find out



Well, I do have confidence in myself but that doesn't make me think yet I'll be the next big poker star... But it's interesting, I've read that even famous players like Gus Hanssen and Phil Ivey were once big losing players online... Ivey is even known to be a cashgame genius, while he was once a losing player online in times that were still a lot easier than now... That shows how relatively all these results or some wins/losses are. But I think I know what my next step will be, I'm gonna get myself a great poker coach (specialized in cashgames), to step up my game... Here are some of my stats I kept, I heard they aren't that great and show a big leak in my game... It's a bit hard to believe you still played bad when you made a really nice profit in a short time. It could be true, but the good thing of that is that I can still improve a lot, and take my winnings and earnings to a higher level! I still think I've not been "just lucky" cuz I had these good results for several days continuously, when playing many hours a day and multiple tables... Could you really be that lucky that you keep on winning when playing bad, for days and many many hands? I'm not expierenced so feel free to enlighten me if I see things wrong Thanks for the advices.

Total Games: 505 game(s)
doubt (disconnected) 1 game(s)
Games Won: won 127 of 505 (25%)
Win/Loss: won m?118,07
Raise/Call Ratio: 0.4 (85 raises, 228 calls)
Call/Fold Ratio: 0.6 (228 calls, 365 folds)
Bet/Check Ratio: 0.8 (123 bets, 160 checks)
Flops: saw 229 of 505 (45%)


Liquid`Drone   Norway. Mar 10 2017 17:39. Posts 2588

Like baal said, you don't necessarily get your true winrate until you've played like, a million hands. I think it's quite unlikely that the statistics will be very off if you're above 100k as well tbh, but you're not even close. 500 hands, in the context of determining whether you're gonna be a long term winner in poker, is virtually nothing. 10000 doesn't cut it either.

You're like, 10+ years late on the poker as an easy source of income. today, it's immensely difficult to succeed, demanding a really.. meticulous type of personality, you need to consistently work to identify and correct any flaw in your play, you need to be exceptionally calm (as to not deviate from your preferred play during stretches of bad luck). Going 10-15 years back in time, it was one of those, chill ways of earning money,could just sit in your basement, grind a little, get a little high, life is sweet. Now, it's hard work, margins are way smaller, it's not enough to just understand pot odds and positioning, you have to completely map out all your hand ranges for all positions against all hand ranges. It's tough. And, adding to that, it seems like the opportunities are gonna continue to dwindle - ai's are starting to beat the game, rake has increased to the point where building a bankroll is seriously tough.. Basically, even if you have all the personal abilities that correspond with 'really good poker player', even if you work hard and apply yourself correctly, you're looking at months worth of time before you're good enough to consistently win, and then we're still talking about small amounts of money because you have a small bankroll and beating the rake is tough. And then, two years or whatever down the line, who even knows how profitable it is.

Follow your dream or do whatever, it's just.. IF you have the skills required to succeed in poker, you most likely have the skills required to succeed in other areas of life as well. And those other areas are gonna be much easier to build a future career based on.

lol POKER 

 
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