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punix   Germany. Aug 09 2015 15:11. Posts 406
Hey LP,

Moved to the US in May for a 6 month research internship at an US-American university (usually iam a PhD student in Germany). To keep my expenses low (since €-$ conversion sucks balls since several months) I searched a furnished Apt. with roommates. The city where Iam at is quite small and is basically University all over the place. Mostly places were leased by big property managements that have certain areas where all houses look the same, you have some amenities and stuff.. Was hard to find a furnished one for only 6 months but managed to get one for 8 months and agreed to that. It is a 3 way Apt. but everyone signs his lease individually with the management.

When I arrived I was the only one in the Apt for a month after that I got some1 moving in. The guy that moved in is literally the stupidest person Ive ever met in my entire life. He is a American and he has over 300 videos and 2000 photos of himself at Facebook (that says a lot already imo). Every post on Facebook from him has at least 2 very critical grammatical or spelling errors. Also the things he says don't really make sense and you have to figure out what he means. So far so good. So I thought okay if we get along for the next 5 months no problem and getting along shouldnt be that hard as Iam usually not in the Apt from Mo-Fr from 8am til 9pm since I go to work and afterwards to the Gym every day.

Turned out I could be wrong. He bought a cat in the 2nd week he got here and I was a little worried 'bout that. Iam fine with pets but a stupid person carying for another living thing ?! But ok...

His day-night rythm is completely fucked up he stays awake the whole night and then sleeps maybe during the day (I have no idea ?! since sometimes he gets up early and leaves. sometimes he is gone for the whole night.. i have the feeling this guy is up to no good). He started doing his laundry during the night... The washing machine is fucking loud and next to my room so I couldnt sleep at all and he did his laundry at times like 3am.. So I was not too pleased with that and asked him wtf was going on and if he couldnt do his laundry at normal uptimes. He agreed.

After a while he asked me on FB what iam doing from (random date) to (random date) and for me that was kinda obvious that probably he wants to go away and wants me to look after his cat so I responded with "yea iam in town and can watch your cat". He was totally amazed by how I figured that out ("lool. so crazy howd you know that? none of my american friends could have figured that out. omg. lol" <- I think that demonstrates his stupidity once again). Just the night before he left for his short vacation trip he did laundry again in the middle of the night and I had an important meeting the next day. He also packed his things afterwards for the trip in a very loud way (smashed his cupboard and let things randomly fall on the ground). Basically he kept me awake from 2am to 6am. I wrote him a FB message that I was super pissed and that I already told him to not do his fucking laundry in the middle of the night and that he is very disrespectful and that if he does that ever again shit will get serious and stuff. He responded with "u 2 have a great day" "dont worry about the cat".
After the first sentence I was furious.... The 2nd sentence didnt made annnnnnnnnnny fucking sense. A usual human being would think that he took his cat to his parents or a friend or something (why would he say dont worry about it?). Turns out that was not the case and I still had to worry about his cat but that probably just him being stupid.

Watching the cat was fine for me and he offered to give me money for that or anything but I declined since it wasnt a big effort and its ok. After he returned I talked to him about the incident with the washing machine and his response to my message ("u 2 have a great day" which upset me big time. He couldnt even look me in the eyes and kind of apologized but he started lying and said he apologized on FB 5 times and that I was still kinda yelling at him through FB. I told him that is kinda stupid to lie about something like FB chats where everyone can proof it asap with the log.

He avoided me (was probably a bit afraid because I kinda raged a bit in the conversation since it is just reckless and mega stupid) for couple of days but after some days we were cool again and everything was normal.

Iam the one that is in charge with electricty (some1 has to register it and then we split internally). He hasnt paid his electricity duties at all so far. He told me that he would pay me at least the June bill on Friday. So far I was absolutely cool about it as I dont really need the money asap but I definitely want the fucking money that I already paid for him. So he still owes me june and july bill!! To be fair he said couple of times that he doesnt have the money right now and if its okay if he delays his payment a bit. I agreed as I didnt need it asap and one day he told me "hey. thanks for being so cool with the payment stuff. i dont wanna be in debts with ppl. i will definitely pay you but i dont wanna fuck up my credit and i need to pay fees when getting cash (he needs to pay me in cash since i dont have an US bank acc) but Ill get it til friday and then you get your money". I agreed once again.

Til Tuesday he was not in our Apt. at all (its sunday right now).
So A) no payment on Friday as promised but even worse
B) his cat is in his fucking room alone for already 5 days straight. He didn't say a thing that he was going to leave but since he posts his whole life on FB I know that he is at his parents place and he was talking about getting a tatoo (so nno money to pay me but going on vacations, getting tatoos and stuff). The cat is at least alive since I can hear it "mwauing" but I have no real idea in what exact condition or if its shitting all over the place (I hope it at least shits in his fucking bed).

This guy is sooo fucking irresponsible and awful. Question for me is now: Do I go all-in and report all that shit to the management and try to get him kicked out ?! (I have no idea when this idiot is planing on returning) or should I stay cool about it and wait at least a day more and see if he comes back.
I can see by looking at his door that it is unlocked. So theoretically I could enter it BUT he never told me a thing about leaving and shit and I dont really wanna enter his room without any permission from him (since he didnt say a word... and its kinda illegal to just enter his room and I dont wanna get in trouble). I could just msg him on FB but I see it happening that he will just say something "oh i left my door unlocked. just watch the cat pls" and then out of a sudden Iam responsible for whatever happens to the cat. I definitely do not want that!
The only thing about trying to get him kicked out is if they dont kick him out and just charge him for being a jackass then our life in here will be pretty fucked up (as he will be super upset facing charges and it will be obvious that I told them like a little pussy behind his back). On one side I dont care too much about that but on the other side I wanna leave in piece and sleep during nights. So I would prefere a peaceful option. That can only be: not saying a thing or forcing a kick-out or if he just faces charges try to get the management to move me to another building or stuff.

What do you think about it LP?

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Rinny   United States. Aug 09 2015 15:29. Posts 600

kill his cat and leave it's head in his bed like in "The Godfather". This is how things are done in america.

 Last edit: 09/08/2015 15:29

Liquid`Drone   Norway. Aug 09 2015 16:01. Posts 3093

I've never lived with random people, but I have many friends who have, and honestly as far as random room mates go, this guy doesn't sound terrible. Sure he's an idiot, but you also come off as the kind of guy who thinks most people are idiots.

Him getting a tattoo instead of paying you back is basically the only thing you described that really seems unacceptable, everything else also kinda seems like you're just not used to living with random people.. Imo what you should do is just deal with the situation as long as you are there, and then don't make this mistake again, you don't seem easy going enough for this type of living arrangement to be for you.

lol POKER 

punix   Germany. Aug 09 2015 16:53. Posts 406

ah okay leaving a cat in a tiny room for 5 days+ straight is pretty normal for you?
i think most ppl that care about animals think different about that.

also doing laundy ijn the middle of the night is pretty unaccetable as you should be able to find a time somewhere between 8am til midnight to do that.

i lived with some random ppl be4 in germany and none of them were idiots or none of them I would describe as idiots. they respected each other and didnt do shit like this.

but nvm thanks for your input

Also I did a semester abroad 3 yrs ago and stayed in a typical ERASMUS dorm with tons of different culture and a shared kitchen and toilets. the hygienic level was debatable but I was getting along with everyone very alright. So I dont think i have a hard time with random ppl and getting along with ppl. I could give plenty of more examples why this guy is seriously stupid but i wont bother as I decided against reporting it to the management and giving him his last chance but making it clear that its his last chance else iam gonna report it.

 Last edit: 09/08/2015 17:01

Luna_Bluffgood   Germany. Aug 09 2015 17:07. Posts 1220

but is the cat ok!?!?


chris   United States. Aug 09 2015 17:10. Posts 5503

Tl dr

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Santafairy   Korea (South). Aug 09 2015 18:11. Posts 2227


  On August 09 2015 15:01 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Sure he's an idiot, but you also come off as the kind of guy who thinks most people are idiots.


It seems to be not very profitable in the long run to play those kind of hands. - Gus Hansen 

ggplz   Sweden. Aug 09 2015 18:16. Posts 16784

Geez, that guy sounds like a pain in the ass. Young guy with parents paying his rent or something? The cat shouldn't suffer because of that asshole, even if you don't want to take care of it. Just give the cat some food, tell him you'll report him for mistreating animals or give his cat away to a shelter if he doesn't step up to his responsibilities, maybe that'll wake him up. Fuck not going into his room, he's left an animal alone and isn't taking care of it, are you sure that's legal? Also, tell him to pay you for the electricity within 24 hours or you'll report him to the management. If he's some young kid you could also contact his parents.

if poker is dangerous to them i would rank sports betting as a Kodiak grizzly bear who smells blood after you just threw a javelin into his cub - RaiNKhAN 

punix   Germany. Aug 09 2015 18:22. Posts 406


  On August 09 2015 17:16 ggplz wrote:
Geez, that guy sounds like a pain in the ass. Young guy with parents paying his rent or something? The cat shouldn't suffer because of that asshole, even if you don't want to take care of it. Just give the cat some food, tell him you'll report him for mistreating animals or give his cat away to a shelter if he doesn't step up to his responsibilities, maybe that'll wake him up. Fuck not going into his room, he's left an animal alone and isn't taking care of it, are you sure that's legal? Also, tell him to pay you for the electricity within 24 hours or you'll report him to the management. If he's some young kid you could also contact his parents.



finally some1 that seems to understand me.

he is not that young also he didnt made it far in his college career (he is still undergrad but around my age and iam in my 3rd year of phd).
I dont know his exact age.

his relationship to his parents seems kinda akward. one day his mom was here to get his cat and take it to the vet (she drove all the way here and took a day off from work. he wasnt home and his room was locked so she had to get the management to open his door. it all took so long that she missed her appointment with the vet. when she got back (with him) he was yelling at her and said multiple times "shut the fuck up", "come to me when i talk to you" and his mum just obeyed. i was close to getting out of my room and yelling at him for not showing any respect to his mom and stuff.... but i left them alone.
indeed his parents seem to pay for most shit. so as i will leave in 3 months i told him that at some point he needs to move electricity in his name and he told me that is father will do that.

more fun facts: just a week ago (so right be4 he "abandoned" his cat) he told me that he had to get it to the vet again because after the cat got declawed it stopped eating and drinking.

u want more fun facts?
our a/c has 2 different buttons on it. one says "cool/off/heat" and the other says "Fan On/Auto". Someone with a brain can count 1+1 and knows that if you put the A/C to cool + auto the fan will be on everytime the A/C actually cools. He always put the fan on ON so then the fan is literally on 24/7. Imo a huuuuge waste of electricity -> fanning the whole building but he was 99% of the time in his room which has a seperate ceiling fan that you can operate for just your room. Looks like I wasnt the only one that thinks that the On Setting on the fan is just stupid as the management hung up a sign that says "DO not put the fan on On always leave it on Auto". He commented that with "thats BS we are paying for that.. they just do that because they are nazis". I had laughed hard in my mind. First of all so far he hasnt paid a cent for that and 2nd i dont think he knows what nazis are and saying that to your german roommate... yahhh :D. I told him that I can perfectly understand this and that it makes sense to me and explained him how this stuff works (that the fan is actually not cooling but just fanning the fucking building). He had a huge aha moment and was like "really??? so you think the fan is not cooling man?" poor kid.

 Last edit: 09/08/2015 18:34

ggplz   Sweden. Aug 09 2015 18:33. Posts 16784

At some point you need to call the clock on him, you need to create (or enforce) some personal boundaries more strictly too. He can do what he wants (within reason) but since he's not paying for stuff leaving you out of pocket, washing at ridiculous or disruptive times and not taking care of animals infront of you, you absolutely need to stand up for those boundaries. Nobody else is gonna come in and make him pay you for the electricity but if you were to speak to his parents you should talk to his father 100%.

if poker is dangerous to them i would rank sports betting as a Kodiak grizzly bear who smells blood after you just threw a javelin into his cub - RaiNKhAN 

punix   Germany. Aug 09 2015 18:41. Posts 406

oh i gave him a time-limit via facebook for his payments of 2days and told him clearly that if nothing happens i will report it (also the whole issue with his cat) and that from now on I wont take any excuses and asked why he didnt ask me for watching his cat.
It wouldn't have been a problem for me to watch it but he never said a thing.

He saw my message but he didnt respond to it, so I have no idea whats happening. Since he is posting his whole life on FB i also know that he is with his parents or at his parents house right now. So he probably talks to them. I have no contact info for his parents and would have to ask the management for that and then I can just directly talk to them.

I made it pretty clear that if something like this ever happens again (during my time) I will report it asap and that he this is an absolute reckless behaviour. Cat is still alive as I can hear it moving and miauwing if you call for it. I have to leave for the rest of the day as Iam meeting with some friends but if I return tonight and he is still not here and hasnt messaged me on FB, I think about reporting it tommorow.

I will also ask my friends that I see soon what they think but so far people told me not to directly report at least not without telling him. Which I also think is correct because behind the back is like a little pussy. I have the feeling, after my FB message without a response from his side, that he makes sure he will be here tonight. So far he always was very afraid as soon as I showed serious upsetness.


Liquid`Drone   Norway. Aug 09 2015 19:49. Posts 3093

leaving his cat inside his room for 5 days definitely isn't acceptable either, I must have missed that. I mean did he leave it with 5 days worth of food and water and a place to poop, or what? and my post was more confrontational than I intended, my bad.

But STILL. My impression from my friends who have lived with random people is that this guy is not particularly bad, just pretty dumb, and you don't 'click' with him at all. Stuff like having a wacky sleeping rhythm, even when it includes occasional nightly laundry (and you said that with one exception he stopped doing this after you confronted him with it) is well within what I would expect. Like I get it if the primary thing irking you is the cat's welfare, but I didn't get that impression at all, just that it's one more thing that annoys you.. But whatever, people are different and annoyed by different things - but your first post basically made me think that you'd have a hard time getting along with most friends of mine that have been rooming with random people in the past. And I never get annoyed by anyone so I'm trying not to use myself as a metric. ;p

lol POKER 

GoTuNk   Chile. Aug 09 2015 20:24. Posts 2860

So will you feed the cat or let it die?


Mortensen8   Chad. Aug 09 2015 22:08. Posts 1841

Dude that cat is going to die fucking break in obviously. And I lol'd at your story.

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devon06atX   Canada. Aug 10 2015 00:22. Posts 5458

Speak your mind to him and stand up for yourself.

Case solved.

^ I also lol'd at parts of your story haha, sounds like a total dickhead.


PoorUser    United States. Aug 10 2015 01:22. Posts 7471

guy sounds fairly scummy but mostly agreed that hes just stupid and you dont click at all. it definitely gets a lot worse.

+1 just say you'll report him if he doesnt pay/take care of cat or whatever. obv have to follow through on reporting him though. feel like this is the kind of guy that when you give him an ultimatum, you cant compromise on any level (i.e. 'plz give me 1 more day so i dont have to pay bank fees' etc) or he'll just do it forever

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punix   Germany. Aug 10 2015 02:34. Posts 406


  On August 09 2015 18:49 Liquid`Drone wrote:
leaving his cat inside his room for 5 days definitely isn't acceptable either, I must have missed that. I mean did he leave it with 5 days worth of food and water and a place to poop, or what? and my post was more confrontational than I intended, my bad.

But STILL. My impression from my friends who have lived with random people is that this guy is not particularly bad, just pretty dumb, and you don't 'click' with him at all. Stuff like having a wacky sleeping rhythm, even when it includes occasional nightly laundry (and you said that with one exception he stopped doing this after you confronted him with it) is well within what I would expect. Like I get it if the primary thing irking you is the cat's welfare, but I didn't get that impression at all, just that it's one more thing that annoys you.. But whatever, people are different and annoyed by different things - but your first post basically made me think that you'd have a hard time getting along with most friends of mine that have been rooming with random people in the past. And I never get annoyed by anyone so I'm trying not to use myself as a metric. ;p



ehm you must have caught me on the wrong foot then. it is for sure mostly about the cat because iam sure it is close to animal abuse what he is doing right now.
he did laundry twice during nights and stopped when i confroted him the 2nd time (i made it way more serious the 2nd time so that he finally realized it). iam completely over that and fine with it since it stopped. it was just stupid that it happened a 2nd time. the first time was alright since he couldnt know that this keeps me awake. but the 2nd time was kinda ridonkolous because it was right be4 he left for a vacation, i had to watch his cat and failed to get to an important seminar (which he knew of).

he responded to my fb msg and said that he returns tommorow that he set up multiple food and water bowls and two litter boxes and that his father will pay me the electric money and that i can call him at that no.
I definitely wont call his father for my money... I gave him 48h to get the money or else iam gonna report (he can call his father on his own to get me the money idc..). pretty fucked up. at least cat is alive and he will return in around 12h so the cat will make it.


bigredhoss   Cook Islands. Aug 10 2015 02:50. Posts 8648


  On August 10 2015 00:22 PoorUser wrote:
guy sounds fairly scummy but mostly agreed that hes just stupid and you dont click at all. it definitely gets a lot worse.

+1 just say you'll report him if he doesnt pay/take care of cat or whatever. obv have to follow through on reporting him though. feel like this is the kind of guy that when you give him an ultimatum, you cant compromise on any level (i.e. 'plz give me 1 more day so i dont have to pay bank fees' etc) or he'll just do it forever



+1 all of this

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GoTuNk   Chile. Aug 10 2015 03:26. Posts 2860

WHAT HAPPENED TO THE CAT


punix   Germany. Aug 10 2015 04:09. Posts 406

what would have happened to it? it is alive. he said it has multiple food and water bowls and he will be back tommorow morning (~11 hrs). so cat will make it!
questionable circumstances but it definitely survives it.

i wouldnt let a cat die obviously as soon as i wouldnt hear it anymore i would break his fucking door but he promised that he took care of it (he claims that he talked to a vet about leaving it for multiple days with bowls and that the vet confirmed -> which i highly doubt but ok...)

 Last edit: 10/08/2015 04:10

NewbSaibot   United States. Aug 10 2015 04:15. Posts 4944

Fuck this guy, it wont get any better.

bye nowLast edit: 10/08/2015 04:17

ggplz   Sweden. Aug 10 2015 04:17. Posts 16784

Meanwhile.. inside a room near punix...

if poker is dangerous to them i would rank sports betting as a Kodiak grizzly bear who smells blood after you just threw a javelin into his cub - RaiNKhAN 

punix   Germany. Aug 10 2015 04:52. Posts 406


  On August 10 2015 03:17 ggplz wrote:
Meanwhile.. inside a room near punix...



hahaha


punix   Germany. Aug 10 2015 04:59. Posts 406


  On August 10 2015 03:15 NewbSaibot wrote:
Fuck this guy, it wont get any better.



as one can tell from my posts iam pretty pissed at him as well...but it could definitely be worse -> if he would not listen at all and just still wash shit at night and being loud. but since iam physically as well as mentally way ahead of him he probably is kinda afraid of confrontations and tries to avoid these with me.
on the good side it just for 3 more months and it is also kind of entertaining what stupid thing he posts next or does next. he had some serious good catch phrases on fb that I had to lol hard for several minutes.
OFC its not funny if he just leaves his cat like that but when he does minor stupid things it is kinda entertaining (as like thinking the fan really cools air and stuff).

it never gets boring.


Trav94   Canada. Aug 10 2015 05:31. Posts 1785

This reminds me so much of my ex room mate. Went through similar issues to you. I raged about it as well, and had to tell him over and over again the same stuff. I don't know what to tell you on how to fix it. My situation ended with me continuously having to tell him to stop being an inconsiderate asshole. Finally one day I was raging about how he never did the dishes or cleaned, and I always had to do it, as well as he owed me some money. I guess he was pissed off about me harassing him, and he went crazy, pulled a knife out of a kitchen drawer and came at me. Hopefully your situation turns out better lol.

 Last edit: 10/08/2015 05:33

ClouD87   Italy. Aug 10 2015 07:38. Posts 524

Poor cat, locked down in a room with rotten food for days. What is this guy thinking?


Raidern   Brasil. Aug 10 2015 12:42. Posts 4243

the most surprising part of your post is the part you say the cat is there for 5 days but you dont check him nor msgs your stupid roommate, really

im a regular at nl5 

Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Aug 10 2015 16:45. Posts 9634

It's Schroedinger's cat obviously and this is actually a quantum physics debate. It's all a metaphor guys. The dumb guy represents uncertainty and shit

 Last edit: 10/08/2015 16:46

dogmeat   Czech Republic. Aug 10 2015 17:16. Posts 6374

^lol

lets assume the cat died, will he buy a new one?

ban baal 

Fayth    Canada. Aug 10 2015 17:31. Posts 10085

yeah the cat part is clearly the worse thing in the story, apart from that he just seems like your average self-centered idiot

Im not sure what to do tomorrow when I see her, should I shake her hand?? -Floofy 

flounder44   United States. Aug 11 2015 01:48. Posts 916

dude we need quotes of his fb statuses


punix   Germany. Aug 11 2015 02:19. Posts 406

guess what? he returned with yet another cat!!
i dont know if the 2nd cat is now permanent or if its his parents cat that he has to take care for a week or something. i dont wanna know and i dont really wanna talk to him rite now...
still hasnt paid me. deadline approaching wednesday


NewbSaibot   United States. Aug 11 2015 02:37. Posts 4944


  On August 11 2015 01:19 punix wrote:
guess what? he returned with yet another cat!!
i dont know if the 2nd cat is now permanent or if its his parents cat that he has to take care for a week or something. i dont wanna know and i dont really wanna talk to him rite now...
still hasnt paid me. deadline approaching wednesday



lol the deadline was when the bill was due. Just disconnect service and tell him if he wants electricity it's going in his name.

bye now 

punix   Germany. Aug 11 2015 03:03. Posts 406

problem is if i disconnect service i wont have electricity as well -.-


ggplz   Sweden. Aug 11 2015 03:14. Posts 16784


  On August 11 2015 01:37 NewbSaibot wrote:
Show nested quote +



lol the deadline was when the bill was due. Just disconnect service and tell him if he wants electricity it's going in his father's name.


fyp

lol@2nd cat, it's like he's trolling us all

if poker is dangerous to them i would rank sports betting as a Kodiak grizzly bear who smells blood after you just threw a javelin into his cub - RaiNKhAN 

Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Aug 11 2015 19:40. Posts 9634

I would be interested in a blog of your roommates view of things :D

"Day 35
I still haven't paid the german, they got no sense of humour keke i got him nice.
He seems lonely though and he s a nice guy so I bought a cat for him with his money I just dont know how to tell him about such a present "

 Last edit: 11/08/2015 19:42

punix   Germany. Aug 12 2015 01:32. Posts 406

he really bought a 2nd permanent cat... he is one of the biggest reallife trolls ever.

ye probably gonna release a collection of his best of facebook statements soon


k4ir0s   Canada. Aug 12 2015 02:15. Posts 3476

I'm definitely not looking forward to sharing a place during uni. I'm not an angry person, but when someone disturbs my sleep.. :/

I dont know what a dt drop is. Is it a wrestling move? -Oly 

MiPwnYa    Brasil. Aug 12 2015 13:44. Posts 5230

FACEBOOK QUOTES PLEASE


ggplz   Sweden. Aug 12 2015 16:31. Posts 16784

maybe he has a plan to use the two cats to generate electricity.. one wasn't enough

if poker is dangerous to them i would rank sports betting as a Kodiak grizzly bear who smells blood after you just threw a javelin into his cub - RaiNKhAN 

Santafairy   Korea (South). Aug 13 2015 06:21. Posts 2227


  On August 12 2015 01:15 k4ir0s wrote:
I'm definitely not looking forward to sharing a place during uni. I'm not an angry person, but when someone disturbs my sleep.. :/


one time I shared a room with a Chinese guy for 2 months and we literally never said the first word to each other

he got replaced with some fat guy with the worst smelling feet you could possibly imagine who went to bed at 8 pm every night

from what I remember I would have dreams of moving into all these uniquely great apartments and houses and hotels and shit and I would wake up and be angry that wasn't reality

It seems to be not very profitable in the long run to play those kind of hands. - Gus Hansen 

OnTheMountain   United States. Aug 22 2015 04:07. Posts 551

Why do you always choose to confront him and give ultimatums over facebook? Face to face and give him a daily routine backhand. tough guy.

God Damn U.S.! I want to play POKER!@ 

 



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