PuertoRican United States. Oct 20 2014 19:40. Posts 13051
Date: Saturday, October 25th
Preliminary Card (UFC Fight Pass): 18:00 LP.net / 4pm PST / 7pm EST
Preliminary Card (Fox Sports 1): 19:00 LP.net / 5pm PST / 8pm EST
Main Card (PPV): 21:00 LP.net / 7pm PST / 10pm EST
Live Streams: http://www.vipbox.tv (All MMA events are listed under the UFC button. Press the UFC button and you'll see the event in the list.)
- The headliner was originally scheduled to take place on August 2, 2014 at UFC 176. However, on July 2, Aldo pulled out of the fight citing a neck injury suffered during training. Subsequent to Aldo's injury, that event was postponed on July 8, when the UFC announced they were unable to replace the original main event fight and with less than a month before the event, the decision was made to postpone the event – though the promotion said the numbering scheme for already scheduled pay-per-views after it, including UFC 177 in Sacramento on August 30, would remain in consecutive order. That entire fight card was re-booked for other events.
- Jeremy Stephens was linked to a possible bout with Lucas Martins at the event. However, Stephens' manager indicated shortly after the fight announcement was leaked that they had no intention of taking the fight. Martins has since been scheduled to face Darren Elkins instead.
- Fabricio Camoes was originally scheduled to face Josh Shockley at the event. However, Shockley was removed from the bout citing injury and replaced by Tony Martin.
- Beneil Dariush was expected to face Alan Patrick at this event. However, Patrick was forced to pull out due to a broken jaw he received during training. Dariush will now face Carlos Diego Ferreira.
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PuertoRican United States. Oct 20 2014 19:44. Posts 13051
First thought:
• Mendes > Aldo
• Teixeira > Davis
• Maldonado vs. Stringer (dunno)
• Elkins > Martins
• Ferreira > Dariush
• Magny > Macario
• Cabral > Kotani
• Reis > Jorgensen
• Arantes > Fili
• Burns vs. Giagos (dunno)
• Camoes vs. Martins (dunno)
soberstone United States. Oct 20 2014 20:27. Posts 2662
With you man, the belt changes hands Saturday
Mendes > Aldo (Wish I coulda gotten him when it spiked to +335 - one of the best values I've seen this year)
Teixeia > Davis
Maldanado > Stringer (Love Maldanado, don't think he's very good obviously, but was unimpressed in the Stringer fight I just watched, for a striker he looks really stiff and his torso looks ripe for the body shots)
Elkins > Martins
Ferriera > Dariush - Pickem fight in my eyes, like the line on Dariush, gun to my head Ferriera cuz its in Brazil
Magny > Macario
Cabral - Kotani - Dunno but this Kotani guy must be AWFUL for the line to be where it is after Cabral got wrecked by Zak Cummings, who is not good
Jorgensen > Reis
Fili > Arantes - Pretty confident in this one, will be betting Fili if line stays the same. He's a damn good prospect.
i love mendes and think he may even have value at +190, but >50% seems like a stretch to me
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Minsk United States. Oct 20 2014 20:50. Posts 1558
In Rio De Jainero.
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PuertoRican United States. Oct 20 2014 21:11. Posts 13051
On October 20 2014 19:41 Daut wrote:
you guys are picking chad outright???
i love mendes and think he may even have value at +190, but >50% seems like a stretch to me
I feel Mendes has improved enough to win this fight, while Aldo's skills have stayed stagnant.
I'm able to look past the 4 scrubs Mendes beat and see that he has looked better in certain areas while beating them. It's akin to boxers who repeatedly face scrubs to improve in the sport and show the fans improvements in the areas they want to see said fighter improve in.
Regarding Aldo/Mendes #1:
On October 09 2014 21:45 PuertoRican wrote:
The only time I've seen Mendes fade was against Nik Lentz, and Mendes said in the post-fight show that he was sick, which hurt his cardio.
Mendes vs. Aldo #1 only lasted 1 round, and the round was even or you could've argued that Mendes won the round. IMO, it was equal, since both guys were feeling each other out (which Aldo does in every 1st round of every UFC fight). The only things that I take away from their first fight is that Aldo held the cage from being taken down, and then Aldo landed a knee to Mendes' face as Mendes spun around to face Aldo and ran into the knee with 1 second left in the round.
I can't take anything away from that fight, but others act like Aldo straight dominated Mendes. If Mendes would've turned around and stood straight up or turned around and backed up a little like most guys do, the round would've ended and who knows what would've happened next.
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Stim_Abuser United States. Oct 21 2014 00:07. Posts 7499
The thing about Mendes is, he hasn't fought any top fighters in his streak other than maybe Guida, who's not looking great these days after getting besmirched by Bermudez. So I'm not sure how much of his recent domination is a ton of great improvement and how much of it is just him crushing guys that are way beneath him.
He's basically fought cans and worse wrestlers who have bad striking.
Obviously he's gotten better, but I'm not sold on how much people think he's gotten better.
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soberstone United States. Oct 21 2014 01:09. Posts 2662
On October 20 2014 23:07 Stim_Abuser wrote:
The thing about Mendes is, he hasn't fought any top fighters in his streak other than maybe Guida, who's not looking great these days after getting besmirched by Bermudez. So I'm not sure how much of his recent domination is a ton of great improvement and how much of it is just him crushing guys that are way beneath him.
He's basically fought cans and worse wrestlers who have bad striking.
Obviously he's gotten better, but I'm not sold on how much people think he's gotten better.
I can't argue with your logic, but I am confident you will see on Saturday (whether he ultimately wins or not) that Chad has gotten far better than you thought. Not about the wins, or opposition, but the way he's performed within those fights combined with the external factors and plateauing of Aldo that make me very confident in this pick. If Chad loses, Aldo will have to put on a spectacular performance, even by his own standards.
In the first fight Aldo didnt dominate Chad, he only caught him with a good knee. I am not saying Mendes would win but I think he has a good chance. I am not betting in this match.
My possible bets:
- Teixeira by KO/TKO +200
- Diego Ferreira (-200)
- Hans Stringer (+130) only because Fabio Maldonado sucks.
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soberstone United States. Oct 21 2014 11:37. Posts 2662
On October 21 2014 07:54 Spitfiree wrote:
y u guys pick Teixeira so fast
Match-up and Phil Davis folding to anyone he can't immediately take-down and who has power. He won a total of zero seconds of the AJ and Rashad fights, and I don't see him grapple-fucking Glover.
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Stim_Abuser United States. Oct 21 2014 14:39. Posts 7499
On October 21 2014 07:54 Spitfiree wrote:
y u guys pick Teixeira so fast
Teixeira reminds me a lot of AJ. Huge, strong as shit, great TDD, and hits like a tank.
Basically Phils striking is horrendous and I don't think his wrestling is good enough to take Tex down. I might be wrong though, Tex hasn't really had his wrestling tested by any good wrestlers other than Jones who got him down a few times.
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Stim_Abuser United States. Oct 21 2014 14:46. Posts 7499
On October 20 2014 23:07 Stim_Abuser wrote:
The thing about Mendes is, he hasn't fought any top fighters in his streak other than maybe Guida, who's not looking great these days after getting besmirched by Bermudez. So I'm not sure how much of his recent domination is a ton of great improvement and how much of it is just him crushing guys that are way beneath him.
He's basically fought cans and worse wrestlers who have bad striking.
Obviously he's gotten better, but I'm not sold on how much people think he's gotten better.
I can't argue with your logic, but I am confident you will see on Saturday (whether he ultimately wins or not) that Chad has gotten far better than you thought. Not about the wins, or opposition, but the way he's performed within those fights combined with the external factors and plateauing of Aldo that make me very confident in this pick. If Chad loses, Aldo will have to put on a spectacular performance, even by his own standards.
My issue with Mendes is his striking still seems very limited. He basically seems to just land ko punches over and over, like Faber. He's gotten much better at it and it works because he's a vastly superior athlete to everyone he's fought, but I don't think it's that great.
He still doesn't jab, doesn't kick, doesn't set stuff up well, doesn't create angles. I haven't seen anything from him that makes me think Aldo won't pick him apart.
Mendes might be able to get the takedowns though. He was close the first fight and I'm sure he's definitely gotten better at mixing his striking in with his takedowns so that might help.
I actually think the main key to this fight is will Mendes be able to take Aldo down off leg kicks. I think it's Mendes only way to stop the kicks since we haven't seen him checking shit still, and Aldo is really good at setting them up anyways. Once Frankie got a takedown off a kick, Aldo basically stopped throwing them. So I'll be super interested to see what happens in the first with Aldo's first couple of kicks.
One thing though is I don't think Mendes will have the cardio advantage that we all thought he would. He's looked to of slowed down in the 3rd round in his last couple of fights. Sure he was sick against Lentz, but he also slowed down in previous fights. With the way he's built I'd be surprised if he can keep up that pace for 5 rounds.
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PuertoRican United States. Oct 21 2014 22:03. Posts 13051
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iakim322 United States. Oct 21 2014 23:43. Posts 1335
On October 21 2014 07:54 Spitfiree wrote:
y u guys pick Teixeira so fast
Teixeira reminds me a lot of AJ. Huge, strong as shit, great TDD, and hits like a tank.
Basically Phils striking is horrendous and I don't think his wrestling is good enough to take Tex down. I might be wrong though, Tex hasn't really had his wrestling tested by any good wrestlers other than Jones who got him down a few times.
I like Texeira in this too but I think the comparison to AJ isn't all accurate. Feel like AJ has more quickness...explosive power...while Texeira is a bit more plodding with thumping power (a bit of a silly way to describe but I think there's a difference) which might be the little difference that Phil needs to duck under and get a takedown.
Phil's striking is certainly horrendous though. Just not a natural striker and doesn't look like he'll ever be fully comfortable there. Even when people kept claiming how improved his striking was...could tell his striking movements still didn't look fluid and it was just a lifetime wrestler trying to apply what he had just learned in the gym from maybe a couple weeks ago
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NotSorry United States. Oct 21 2014 23:54. Posts 2603
I just love watching Aldo's leg kicks, win or lose that's what I'm excited for.
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PuertoRican United States. Oct 22 2014 16:09. Posts 13051
soberstone United States. Oct 23 2014 21:50. Posts 2662
TY for the links and I do play cuz it's free, but such a flawed system, way to much for sig strikes vs takedowns/sub attempts and especially knockdowns.
Significant Strikes Landed
.5 points each
Takedowns/Reversals
2 points each
Submission Attempts
3 points each
Knockdowns
3 points each
Dominant Positions
2 points each
Edit: Sorry I know I'm just being a whiny brat. But just had to vent that.
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PuertoRican United States. Oct 23 2014 22:38. Posts 13051
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PuertoRican United States. Oct 25 2014 19:42. Posts 13051
Impressive submission by Gilbert Burns with just 3 seconds left in the first round.
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soberstone United States. Oct 25 2014 20:04. Posts 2662
On October 25 2014 18:42 PuertoRican wrote:
Impressive submission by Gilbert Burns with just 3 seconds left in the first round.
Yah, guy should have never tried to get up.
Fili is about to bust a cap in Arantes' ass.
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soberstone United States. Oct 25 2014 20:16. Posts 2662
What a round!
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soberstone United States. Oct 25 2014 20:31. Posts 2662
Phew, thought he was gonna get robbed. Close fight, but clear fight. I thought he woulda smoked him but Arantes did better than I thought and Fili didn't exactly fight smart. He's a good talent but makes a lot of mistakes.
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PuertoRican United States. Oct 25 2014 20:33. Posts 13051
Too bad Arantes gassed out in the 1st round. Rounds 2 and 3 were close. I had it as a split-decision for either guy.
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soberstone United States. Oct 25 2014 20:35. Posts 2662
Fili really needs to learn how to blend in some defense with that tenacious offense, as well as some better GnP and top game. His sweeps/bottom game were ultra impressive though. I was biased scoring it for Fili all the way but the twitters seem to agree.
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PuertoRican United States. Oct 25 2014 20:45. Posts 13051
Nice win for Reis. I thought he was going to TKO Jorgensen, even though that was the least likely way for him to win.
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soberstone United States. Oct 25 2014 20:46. Posts 2662
Nice kick man. He retired Jorgenson from the UFC with that one - atleast I think.
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PuertoRican United States. Oct 25 2014 21:14. Posts 13051
Cabral is lucky he had an easy opponent, cuz he looked bad.
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Patolino started the 3rd round looking slow and mentally defeated. Easy paycheck for Magny.
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Hans Stringer aka neo Alistair Overeem. Good comeback by Fabio Maldonado.
conor was right. both guys mention him in the post fight haha
he was invited to bring some numbers lol
mcGREGOAT will cruise past those two
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PuertoRican United States. Oct 26 2014 00:53. Posts 13051
On October 25 2014 23:50 Daut wrote:
FOTY. incredible stuff. highest skill level ever in an MMA fight. conor, good luck buddy LOLOL
You're probably caught up in the moment. It was a good fight, but not the highest skilled/best fight ever. Probably the best featherweight fight, though.
Jones vs. Gustafsson was better than Aldo vs. Mendes 2.
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Minsk United States. Oct 26 2014 01:16. Posts 1558
That wasn't FOTY, but it might have been one of the highest skilled fights.
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Minsk United States. Oct 26 2014 01:25. Posts 1558
Nevermind, it was FOTY, Hunt vs Bigfoot was last year.
easily among the highest skilled fights ever.
aldo > anderson, mendes > weidman. no fight ever had 2 guys that good facing each other. only other fights that are close are aldo/edgar and maybe dillashaw/barao. maybe demetrious/benavidez or cruz/benavidez, but i pick this over all of those.
as for FOTY, its the best i remember. there were some good ones like silva/brown, but this was just such a higher level of fighting. i dont think it deserves to be in the best fight of all time category or anything, but that was really great stuff.
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flounder44 United States. Oct 26 2014 02:15. Posts 916
^ what?
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TianYuan Korea (South). Oct 26 2014 11:57. Posts 6817
On October 26 2014 01:11 Daut wrote:
easily among the highest skilled fights ever.
aldo > anderson, mendes > weidman. no fight ever had 2 guys that good facing each other. only other fights that are close are aldo/edgar and maybe dillashaw/barao. maybe demetrious/benavidez or cruz/benavidez, but i pick this over all of those.
as for FOTY, its the best i remember. there were some good ones like silva/brown, but this was just such a higher level of fighting. i dont think it deserves to be in the best fight of all time category or anything, but that was really great stuff.
I really liked Lawler vs Hendricks but maybe that's just me hehe... (I think this was better tho, just that it's on my list of favorite fights this year).
And yeah, Aldo's upperbody movement is so insane. So good for defense and so great for generating power.
yea i loved hendricks/lawler, just have this as #1 currently.
i didnt compile a list and thoroughly rank the fights, but peeking at some of the FOTN winners, my list would be:
1: mendes/aldo
2: lawler/hendricks
3: silva/brown
4: swanson/stephens
5: lawler/brown
6: romero/kennedy
7: weidman/machida
i havent been wow'ed by many shorter fights. i also did miss a few smaller cards and didnt see anything from bellator/ONE/etc that jumped out. im sure PR/others can add some fights i forgot or missed to this list, but from what ive seen aldo/mendes is FOTY so far
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PuertoRican United States. Oct 26 2014 15:15. Posts 13051
On October 26 2014 11:13 Daut wrote:
yea i loved hendricks/lawler, just have this as #1 currently.
i didnt compile a list and thoroughly rank the fights, but peeking at some of the FOTN winners, my list would be:
1: mendes/aldo
2: lawler/hendricks
3: silva/brown
4: swanson/stephens
5: lawler/brown
6: romero/kennedy
7: weidman/machida
i havent been wow'ed by many shorter fights. i also did miss a few smaller cards and didnt see anything from bellator/ONE/etc that jumped out. im sure PR/others can add some fights i forgot or missed to this list, but from what ive seen aldo/mendes is FOTY so far
Machida/Weidman is in your top fight-list? The only thing that made that an interesting fight was when Machida had a good 4th round, otherwise it would have been a complete sweep for Weidman and his jab + low leg kicks.
Jon Jones vs. Alexander Gustafsson, aka the best Light Heavyweight fight of all-time, doesn't make your list? It's top 3 of my all-time favorite/technical/skilled/blah blah blah fights in the UFC.
great fight and its very promising that Aldo didnt cruise in the last rounds he was actually taking unnecessary risks wanting to just brawl in the last seconds of the last round to put on a show which was exactly what he was lacking
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NotSorry United States. Oct 26 2014 17:48. Posts 2603
Aldo isn't going away anytime soon.
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PuertoRican United States. Oct 26 2014 19:04. Posts 13051
Aldo vs. McGregor won't be great, imo.
While both guys like to counter a lot, Aldo will be able to use a lot of kicks versus McGregor. Aldo picks you apart if he sees you just waiting around, and I don't expect McGregor to be in Aldo's face during the first 2 rounds like Mendes was (Mendes is the only person to challenge Aldo in the UFC, the others were too cautious). The speed and power of Aldo will be an issue, and Aldo can probably get a take down at some point after the 2nd round.
I wouldn't be surprised if Aldo is prepared for McGregor's opening kick that he always does. It's usually some type of spinning kick, and he's done it in almost all his recent fights.
On October 26 2014 01:11 Daut wrote:
aldo > anderson, mendes > weidman.
really?
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soberstone United States. Oct 27 2014 01:05. Posts 2662
The judges scored it 4-1 Aldo but I thought it was a pretty clear 2-2 going into the 5th, and Aldo looked a lot better in the 5th than he ever has. Fantastic fight, I think it was very similar to Hendricks vs Lawler as well as Weidman vs Lyoto in terms of skill level and fight dynamic, as well as FOTY possibility. My favorite was Weidman vs Machida.
Also, McGregor has a much better chance vs Aldo then anyone wants to admit just because the hype is so large and no-one wants not fully invested in the hype wants to believe it actually has merit. If its a straight up striking match I think it would be very close but its actually a fight where I could see Aldo taking him down like he did against KZ and perhaps submitting him depending on how McGregors grappling chops are (as we have no real idea). In a straight striking match, McGregor poses different problems than Chad but has a lot of power (maybe not as much as Chad, but definitely more than most at FW), amazing precision, explosion, movement, 8-point striking etc. He's a beast.
On October 26 2014 01:11 Daut wrote:
aldo > anderson, mendes > weidman.
really?
i think so.
what anderson does well, he is the best at. figuring out an opponents striking weaknesses and how to best attack them. but from a pure skill standpoint, aldo is probably a better striker, a better offensive wrestler, a better defensive wrestler and better on the ground.
mendes and weidman are pretty similar. but mendes has better cardio, better wrestling, faster, not as good of a grappler but pretty similar elsewhere. he is really fucking good. weidman is too, but carrying an extra 50 pounds makes you slow and less athletic.
its mostly a byproduct of the lighter divisions having better fighters/athletes, but regardless i think aldo is a better fighter than anderson and mendes is a better fighter than weidman.
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Agree on everything except with Aldo being a better striker than Anderson, I think Aldo is very fast and powerful but his punches are wild and is technically inferior to Anderson
i think most of that has to do with style and physical gifts. anderson isnt a highly active striker and picks his spots for the perfect strikes. he also may have the best reflexes/hand eye coordination of anyone in MMA so hes able to dodge strikes that others cant and is extremely accurate. but aldo can really pour it on in a way anderson often cant. so each has his advantages.
i still think i prefer aldo, i think he has better overall kicks, more potent hands, and despite not having andersons reflexes doesnt give up much in the way of defense (its not like anderson is Neo and never gets hit). not to mention he doesnt have to give up as much edge in his striking order to prevent takedowns. hes much better at stopping takedowns and at getting back up.
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Stim_Abuser United States. Oct 27 2014 14:38. Posts 7499
Agree with Aldo > Silva for sure, but no way Mendes > Weidman.
At this point Weidman has dominated two of the very best strikers in this sports history standing, is probably the very best MMA wrestler in the division out wrestling Machida easier than Phil Davis did, and probably has the 2nd best BJJ in his division. His striking is much more well rounded. Threw a ton of kicks against Machida and has very good elbows too. Rocked Machida with one in the 5th and killed Munoz with one as well.
Mendes is definitely a better athlete than Weidman, but Weidman is way more skilled. Better striking and BJJ than Mendes by a fair amount.
Pretty surprised with Phil Davis handling Glover so easily. But I guess we've never seen Glover fight any elite competition, prior to Jones the best fighter he faced was Bader who did really good against him until he got stupid and started brawling.
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Minsk United States. Oct 27 2014 15:06. Posts 1558
What the fuck. You guys are comparing bubble gum to car tires. You cant compare a 145 pound fighter to a 195 pound fighter with completely different styles like that.
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PuertoRican United States. Oct 27 2014 15:33. Posts 13051
I'd take a 185 pound Jose Aldo over a 185 pound Anderson Silva. Anderson Silva trying the same tricks at 145 against a current Jose Aldo would be laughable.
Regarding Mendes and Weidman:
Mendes = better striking, gas tank, and speed.
Weidman = better BJJ
I think Mendes is the better wrestler, too, but aside from a weak MMA wrestler in Mark Munoz, Weidman's UFC career has been against relatively tall guys who aren't wrestlers. (Regarding Mark Munoz, everyone knows his MMA wrestling isn't high level like his collegiate wrestling skills were.)
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Stim_Abuser United States. Oct 27 2014 16:46. Posts 7499
On October 27 2014 14:06 Minsk wrote:
What the fuck. You guys are comparing bubble gum to car tires. You cant compare a 145 pound fighter to a 195 pound fighter with completely different styles like that.
I agree you can't compare them as if they were all the same size. A 185 pound Mendes would be way slower and have way worse cardio, and a 145 pound Weidman would be ridiculously strong. It's impossible to adjust their skill sets to the size difference.
I'm just looking at skill sets, and I think Weidmans is definitely better than Mendes. I mean Mendes is great, but Weidman completely besmirched Silva on the feet and thoroughly out struck Machida as well, how do you say Mendes has better striking than him? He out wrestled Machida, a man known for having great TDD while undersized at LHW, at MW. I can't see anyone else at MW taking Machida down 3-4 times. Who at MW has better wrestling than Weidman? He's also got probably the 2nd best BJJ in the MW division.
I also think Weidman has superior fight IQ.
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JonnyCosMo United States. Oct 27 2014 17:58. Posts 7292
I don't think I mind Aldo's strikes "after the bell" at the end of round 1. The ref didnt step in to stop it yet (sure the ref might have been a little slow in doing so), Aldo was in mid-combination and had Mendes hurt before that. Hard to expect him to stop punching imo...
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Stim_Abuser United States. Oct 27 2014 20:39. Posts 7499
Pretty much everyone cageside has confirmed that you couldn't hear the bell, so definitely don't think they're intentional. Also I think the 2 eyepokes and nut kicks nearly evened it out anyways.
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Although GSP was super unattractive to watch, he was probably the best and most complete fighter in the UFC. Aldo s probably the best in attraction/completion ratios though
the top lighterweight guys are ridiculous. demetrious/dillashaw/barao/aldo are such incredible fighters in all aspects of MMA. toss in mendes/cruz/benavidez/edgar at those weight classes as well. always baffles me when people say they dont love watching the little guys. not saying some or all of them better/more complete fighters than guys like weidman/jones/gsp, but man, outside of a few elite top heavier guys, the little guys are just such better overall fighters. i know its an unfair comparison, but its a more pleasing fight to watch regardless
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JonnyCosMo United States. Oct 28 2014 13:07. Posts 7292
Btw you guys see how fast Aldo got up when Mendes took him down in the 1st round? Hoooollyyy shit that was quick.
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TimDawg United States. Oct 28 2014 14:42. Posts 10197
Can someone link me to a replay of the Aldo fight?
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Just watched aldo vs mendes and that was a sickkkkk fight, glad i watched. got no link for ya timdawg :/
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soberstone United States. Oct 28 2014 16:58. Posts 2662
Weidman is the top P4P fighter on the planet. His resume isn't there yet and I wouldn't expect anyone to rank him ahead of Jose on paper or agree with me, but I personally believe he is. Jon Jones is obviously also very much in the conversation and if dominates DC I'd have to put him there, but I just was not impressed with him (relatively speaking ofcourse, hes a beast) against Gus or Glover (who just got absolutely shit on by Phil Davis, given this was clearly a much worse Glover).
Weidman simply has no holes in his game. You could say the same about Jones but I think his striking, when he's forced to mix it up and be a bit more orthodox, is actually not very good. Aldo's cardio is clearly still a hole IMO, I just think Chad slowed down as much as he did so it offset. That's also why Chad didn't try to wrestle him - because he was conserving energy just as Jose often does, and it would have done more harm than good as Jose would just spring right back up anyway, or avoid the TD completely and make Chad pay with knees.
All that being said, Aldo is the fucking man, I picked Chad to win the fight and it's not that Chad underperformed, it's that I under-rated Jose, which is shameful in retrospect.
EDIT: Oh and of course DJ is right there, you could even say he's the best PfP, I just think its tough with the level of comp at Flyweight, so who knows, but he's definitely the complete package).
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Stim_Abuser United States. Oct 28 2014 17:28. Posts 7499
On October 28 2014 11:45 Daut wrote:
the top lighterweight guys are ridiculous. demetrious/dillashaw/barao/aldo are such incredible fighters in all aspects of MMA. toss in mendes/cruz/benavidez/edgar at those weight classes as well. always baffles me when people say they dont love watching the little guys. not saying some or all of them better/more complete fighters than guys like weidman/jones/gsp, but man, outside of a few elite top heavier guys, the little guys are just such better overall fighters. i know its an unfair comparison, but its a more pleasing fight to watch regardless
I definitely agree with this. Always been a fan of the smaller weight classes. Overall we get way better athletes at the smaller weight classes because they usually don't have outlets like other professional sports such as football/basketball/baseball.
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Stim_Abuser United States. Oct 28 2014 17:42. Posts 7499
I'd have Jones over Aldo as most complete fighter in MMA by a long shot. Aldo is pretty one dimensional in his game plans. He's just so incredibly good at it no one can stop him. Jones on the other hand uses every single facet of MMA. Out strikes everyone, out wrestles them, submits them, best GnP in MMA by far, and he showed us in the Glover fight maybe the best clinch fighter in MMA too. His clinch fighting with Glover was nuts.
I do think Weidman will catch up to them. Gotta keep in mind Weidmans only really been training and fightings since late 2009, and has spent like 2 years not really training because of injuries. So he's still an infant in the sport and will still improve a lot. Which is scary because he improves at such a fast rate it's unbelievable. I mean who has ever been as good as Weidman 12 fights into their career?
I really dislike Jones but I'd have to have him as the best fighter in MMA right now.
I really think Ludwig is coach of the year and should be the hottest coach in MMA right now. It's really incredible what he's done with TJ & Mendes. It's no coincidence that they're giving Nova Uniao a lot of problems since he's been there. The feints, pressure, stance switches, checking kicks, great footwork, everything. It's mind blowing. They basically went from guys looking to land big right hands like Faber, to some of the best strikers in MMA in 2 years with Ludwig.
I really hope him leaving doesn't really stall out their rapid progression. I'd love to see Mendes keep improving and fighting Aldo a 3rd time. Because really Mendes lost that fight based on a hand full of mistakes that he could fix.
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On October 28 2014 15:58 soberstone wrote:
Weidman is the top P4P fighter on the planet. His resume isn't there yet and I wouldn't expect anyone to rank him ahead of Jose on paper or agree with me, but I personally believe he is. Jon Jones is obviously also very much in the conversation and if dominates DC I'd have to put him there, but I just was not impressed with him (relatively speaking ofcourse, hes a beast) against Gus or Glover (who just got absolutely shit on by Phil Davis, given this was clearly a much worse Glover).
Weidman simply has no holes in his game.
Tbh JBJ has fought much more styles and very good opponents overall compared to Weidman. Weidman is far from 1st P4P, however he s progressing so fast i wouldn't be surprised to see him on top of the list. True I've only seen Weidman's past 4 fights, but i highly doubt that the previous ones are even worth seeing.
I expect JBJ vs DC fight to be the same as vs Sonnen, basically only chance DC has is to clinch him or get top ground position for 5 rounds which I don't see happening, too bad it will probably be a year till we see JBJ vs Gustafsson. If I were JBJ I'd probably try to get the heavyweight title as well tbh
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Stim_Abuser United States. Oct 28 2014 18:33. Posts 7499
On October 28 2014 15:58 soberstone wrote:
Weidman is the top P4P fighter on the planet. His resume isn't there yet and I wouldn't expect anyone to rank him ahead of Jose on paper or agree with me, but I personally believe he is. Jon Jones is obviously also very much in the conversation and if dominates DC I'd have to put him there, but I just was not impressed with him (relatively speaking ofcourse, hes a beast) against Gus or Glover (who just got absolutely shit on by Phil Davis, given this was clearly a much worse Glover).
Weidman simply has no holes in his game.
I expect JBJ vs DC fight to be the same as vs Sonnen,
For what it's worth Jones is currently -170 against DC, which he opened up at. He was like -300 IIRC against Gus when the rematch was booked.
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I used to think that DC had a chance but the more I think about it the less I think he does, I just dont see him being able to handle Jones striking, it will still be pretty exciting to see what happens when Cormier gets a hold of Jones, I think its the first time im excited to see some wrestling lol
Exactly, I used to think that too. When I thought about it DC isnt better at anything compared to JBJ, unless a fluke happens it will be a pretty clean fight for JBJ
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soberstone United States. Oct 30 2014 00:05. Posts 2662
On October 29 2014 02:19 Spitfiree wrote:
Exactly, I used to think that too. When I thought about it DC isnt better at anything compared to JBJ, unless a fluke happens it will be a pretty clean fight for JBJ
Cormier is a better wrestler than JBJ, not even close, and has more power.
If DC can't handle Jones' striking, it will because his threshold to take damage is low - which is quite possible, we've never seen him get hit with anything big - or because he can't close the distance, also quite possible.
With that said, if you look at Jones' fights without the 'awe' factor, his most impressive work has definitely not been striking, its been GnP and unorthodox submissions, as that's pretty much out of the equation with Cormier unless he gasses.
Glover was simply over-rated, and when Jones had to strike with Gus, he looked far less dominant.
I pick Jones, but it's definitely not a 'clear' fight for JBJ.
DC cant handle Jones striking simply because Jones is much better at it, DC is mediocre at best, he has powerful wide hooks but Jones has faced people with those powerful hooks before like Rampage and Texeira and they have way more to offer standing than DC, so the only thing that DC brings to the table is that he will be the best and most powerful wrestler Jones has faced, but can he get in range easily and ragdoll Jones while he gets a hold of him? probably not
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