PuertoRican   United States. Sep 28 2014 23:55. Posts 13047
Date: Saturday, October 4th
Preliminary Card (UFC Fight Pass): 11:10 LP.net / 9:10am PST / 12:10pm EST
Main Card (UFC Fight Pass): 14:00 LP.net / 12pm PST / 3pm EST
Live Streams: http://www.vipbox.tv (All MMA events are listed under the UFC button. Press the UFC button and you'll see the event in the list.)
- Amir Sadollah was briefly scheduled to face Nico Musoke at the event. However, Sadollah was pulled from the pairing with Musoke in favor of a bout with Yoshihiro Akiyama on September 20, 2014 at UFC Fight Night 52. Musoke will now face Alexander Yakovlev.
- Akira Corassani was expected to face Chan Sung Jung at the event. However, Jung pulled out of the bout citing a strained shoulder and was replaced by Max Holloway.
- Dennis Siver was expected to face Robert Whiteford at the event. However, Whiteford pulled out of the bout, and was replaced by Taylor Lapilus. In turn, the Swedish Mixed Martial Arts Federation deemed Lapilus an unsuitable opponent and Charles Rosa was tabbed to face Siver. (Unsuitable, as in, he faced a bunch of cans in France, a place where ground-and-pound is illegal. Lapilus basically built up his record in MMA while using rules made for babies.)
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Last edit: 29/09/2014 16:41
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PuertoRican   United States. Sep 28 2014 23:59. Posts 13047
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First thoughts on this European-friendly card:
• Nelson > Story (Story is aggressive, which will play into Nelson' game.)
• Holloway > Corassani
• Latifi > Blachowicz (Bad match-up for Blachowicz.)
• Backstrom > Wilkinson
• Musoke > Yakovlev
• Siver > Rosa
Not sure about the rest. Seems like a card that will cost people a lot of money unless they actually do a ton of research, which I'm not gonna do.
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Last edit: 29/09/2014 16:41
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Daut   United States. Sep 29 2014 02:07. Posts 8955
why is nelson such a big favorite over story? he could barely outwrestle the gigantic can he fought last time, how does he have any hope of taking down story?
gunnar is a great talent, but hes too passive and his wrestling is too bad to make it far in the division right now. he needs to change his approach
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Stim_Abuser   United States. Sep 29 2014 14:41. Posts 7499
Yea, Story at +290 seems ridiculously off.
Gunnar is also very small for WW. IIRC he walks around at 175ish.
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goose58   United States. Sep 29 2014 16:42. Posts 871
It's because nelson is undefeated and finishes most of his opponents, compared to story who loses frequently and goes to decision often.
I'm rooting for story though just because hes from my hometown.
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soberstone   United States. Sep 29 2014 20:28. Posts 2662
Can't believe that Story is that big of a dog. Gunnar's top game is incredible, but this is not a tailor-made matchup for him. Story is great wrestler, has great power. His sub defense is questionable which does play nicely if Gunnar can smother him, but if he can't, he might be in trouble. We'll see how far along Gunnar has come.
I'm not on his hype train like I am McGregor's.
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soberstone   United States. Sep 29 2014 20:31. Posts 2662
Holloway is close to a lock, and I know nothing about Wilkinson, but Backstrom has been very impressive offensively.
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Stim_Abuser   United States. Sep 30 2014 06:57. Posts 7499
I agree Story is very inconsistent, but most of his recent loses other than Maia were super close fights that he could of won or at least got a draw.
Story should have a wrestling, size, and power advantage. Gunnar is tiny for WW, and Story is a powerhouse. Gunnar is more technical, consistent, and has a better fight IQ. But him being a 3-1 favorite seems way off.
Story arguably beat Kevin Gastelum recently, who I personally think is much better than Gunnar. A better wrestler and a better striker.
Basically no one has blown Story out of the water other than Maia, who is a huge WW who almost certainly has way better takedowns than Gunnar.
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Last edit: 30/09/2014 07:06
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goose58   United States. Sep 30 2014 13:14. Posts 871
Interesting analysis, now I really want to see this fight.
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PuertoRican   United States. Sep 30 2014 13:47. Posts 13047
On September 30 2014 05:57 Stim_Abuser wrote:
I agree Story is very inconsistent, but most of his recent loses other than Maia were super close fights that he could of won or at least got a draw.
Story should have a wrestling, size, and power advantage. Gunnar is tiny for WW, and Story is a powerhouse. Gunnar is more technical, consistent, and has a better fight IQ. But him being a 3-1 favorite seems way off.
Story arguably beat Kevin Gastelum recently, who I personally think is much better than Gunnar. A better wrestler and a better striker.
Basically no one has blown Story out of the water other than Maia, who is a huge WW who almost certainly has way better takedowns than Gunnar.
Story is the smaller guy here. He's 5'10 with a 71 inch reach, while Gunnar is 5'11 with a 72 inch reach. Story is probably the stronger of the two.
I don't think Story beat Gastelum, even though it was close.
Story offers Gunnar some problems, I just don't feel like putting any money on him in this fight, probably cuz Story is inconsistent with his gas tank and skills (he has switched between 1 win/1 loss in his last 8 fights).
Bet $100 on Story +277 definitely think he is undervalued. Nelson comes in with a lot of hype but I feel he fights with too little urgency and Story may not let him get away with that.
On September 30 2014 05:57 Stim_Abuser wrote:
I agree Story is very inconsistent, but most of his recent loses other than Maia were super close fights that he could of won or at least got a draw.
Story should have a wrestling, size, and power advantage. Gunnar is tiny for WW, and Story is a powerhouse. Gunnar is more technical, consistent, and has a better fight IQ. But him being a 3-1 favorite seems way off.
Story arguably beat Kevin Gastelum recently, who I personally think is much better than Gunnar. A better wrestler and a better striker.
Basically no one has blown Story out of the water other than Maia, who is a huge WW who almost certainly has way better takedowns than Gunnar.
Story is the smaller guy here. He's 5'10 with a 71 inch reach, while Gunnar is 5'11 with a 72 inch reach. Story is probably the stronger of the two.
I don't think Story beat Gastelum, even though it was close.
Story offers Gunnar some problems, I just don't feel like putting any money on him in this fight, probably cuz Story is inconsistent with his gas tank and skills (he has switched between 1 win/1 loss in his last 8 fights).
Height =/= size.
It's pretty well known Nelson walks around at 178-180 pounds. That's the size of most UFC LW's. Actually his coaches have said he could easily make LW. Most WW's these days are 190-200 pounds, including Rick Story. Gunnar might be an inch taller, much Story is built like a tank.
I mean Gunnar hardly looks bigger than McGregor.
I think Gunnar is very talented, but I don't think he's big enough for 170. I guess we'll see though, as Story is probably one of the strongest most powerful WW's in the UFC.
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PuertoRican   United States. Sep 30 2014 22:17. Posts 13047
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Last edit: 30/09/2014 23:54
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soberstone   United States. Oct 01 2014 01:27. Posts 2662
Man, that Macdonald vs Saffedeine fight is this weekend, and I def. think it is a dog or pass fight where the odds are at now (Mac at -500, Saf +400). I really think it's not as great of a matchup for Rory as the odds seem to show. I do think he'll win because his cardio is outstanding and its a 5 rounder, but if Saf lands good low kicks early without getting taken down, it could be very close.
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Stim_Abuser   United States. Oct 01 2014 12:09. Posts 7499
So one reason I've come up with as to why Gunnar is such a big favorite is that it's a 5 round fight and Story tends to fade by the 3rd round lately. At least against Gastelum & Pyle. Though both of those fights were wars which I don't think this one will be so who knows.
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PuertoRican   United States. Oct 01 2014 15:39. Posts 13047
There's a cut above Story's left eye. Dunno how recent it is.
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soberstone   United States. Oct 02 2014 19:49. Posts 2662
On October 01 2014 11:09 Stim_Abuser wrote:
So one reason I've come up with as to why Gunnar is such a big favorite is that it's a 5 round fight and Story tends to fade by the 3rd round lately. At least against Gastelum & Pyle. Though both of those fights were wars which I don't think this one will be so who knows.
Good point. For whatever reason I was thinking about this as a 3 rounder. The 5 round aspect does favor Gunnar although I still think the odds are a bit wide. Won't be touching this tho. The Saffediene line at +450 on some sites is insanely juicy tho IMO.
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DustySwedeDude   Sweden. Oct 03 2014 04:47. Posts 8623
I think the most common idea is that Story is the kind of guy that will sooner or later fail on his fight IQ and go for a take down, much like that annoying guy did vs Mackenzie or whatever his name is (guillotine dude) in the lightweight season of TUF.
For my part I'm not happy with the odds on Gunni considering how he was kind of rocked against Santiago. Don't think his gas tank looked great in that fight and the ones after that has been to short/uneventful to judge his cardo.
Not gonna bet story either, dude doesn't seem very solid when it comes to the mental parts of the game. Thinking Gunni sub at evens might be ok, not sure though.
Other then that I think Holloway KO might be a decent prob even though odds aren't great and he's on somewhat short notice. I just feel like I should fade Akira in most match ups. He's a tough guy with decent cardio and everything, but he's not very good at any area and tends to get finished a lot.
I have the KO prop om Bäckström and under 1.5. I think the other guy is overmatched and the odds on KO is much better then sub. Bäckströms grappling gets a lot of praise but he gets a lot of KO's too.
I think Latifi should win, but I feel lost from a capping perspective. The Polish guy might be completely over matched or just good enough to hang in there and maybe get a decision or even a late finish. Might live bet though, got some kind of plan.
I think Cedenblad blows out Askham in the first, and I have bets on that and Cedenblad by sub. If it somehow goes past the first 1.5 I'll live bet Askham I think.
Think Mairbek Taisumov vs. Marcin Bandel might be a fun fight.
Might fade Musoke due to not being at Alliance anymore, not sure though, most people think the other guy might not be super good either.
Also really lost on Tor, dude's support to be super smart but he does weird things in fights.
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PuertoRican   United States. Oct 03 2014 15:54. Posts 13047
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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Oct 03 2014 18:43. Posts 9634
I know it isnt a title fight but
just cant wait to post it
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PuertoRican   United States. Oct 03 2014 19:51. Posts 13047
PuertoRican   United States. Oct 04 2014 15:14. Posts 13047
WOW!
Welcome back to the UFC, Mike Wilkinson!
Backstrom walked up to Wilkinson and Dan Hardy right before the post-fight interview started and said into the microphone, "that's fucked up," then walked away.
The Swedish crowd is booing Wilkinson for some reason, even though he won via KO.
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soberstone   United States. Oct 04 2014 15:43. Posts 2662
This card has been absolutely superb. Besides the Troeng fight, a juicy mix of back and forth duels, crushing finishes, shocking upsets, top-notch grappling exchanges, crushing KO's.
A great ode to the notion that its not about the names on the card but the fights that are produced.
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PuertoRican   United States. Oct 04 2014 15:55. Posts 13047
Easy paycheck for Max. He knew what he was getting into when he took this short notice fight.
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soberstone   United States. Oct 04 2014 16:17. Posts 2662
On October 04 2014 14:55 PuertoRican wrote:
Easy paycheck for Max. He knew what he was getting into when he took this short notice fight.
He has it all. I see a rematch with Conor McGregor for the belt in 2-4 years.
PuertoRican   United States. Oct 04 2014 16:30. Posts 13047
Round 1: not sure, but Story landed more than double the strikes. So, I guess Story? Nelson seemed more aggressive
Round 2: Story (Gunnar isn't as aggressive anymore.)
Round 2: Story (Gunnar slowed down during the 2nd half of the round.)
Nazgul   Netherlands. Oct 04 2014 16:51. Posts 7080
wait I zoned out and suddenly heard split decision lol
You almost twin-caracked his AK - JonnyCosmo
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PuertoRican   United States. Oct 04 2014 16:52. Posts 13047
Stupid European judge giving Nelson 3 of the rounds... wtf? At worst, it was 2 rounds to Nelson.
In USA, this would've been Rick Story 4-1 or 5-0.
On October 04 2014 15:51 Nazgul wrote:
wait I zoned out and suddenly heard split decision lol
Rick Story def. Gunnar Nelson Decision (split) (47-48, 49-46, 50-44)
Biased judge...
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UFC in Canada starts in 2 hours.
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soberstone   United States. Oct 04 2014 16:59. Posts 2662
So that fight in a nutshell.
Black eye on Cavanough's coaching, awful cornering advice, no implementation of a jab whatsoever for Nelson.
On the Story side, AMAZING gameplan, the MMA Lab clearly worked wonders in teaching him to be aggressive in the right spots without being open for the blast double.
Amazing performance by story, amazing amount of holes in Nelson's game.
We all knew this line was too wide and it showed.
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Nazgul   Netherlands. Oct 04 2014 17:02. Posts 7080
the line was so dumb non of this was surprising and we didn't see any new skills by either guy just standard stuff. wish I bet more but the Overeem bet has taken the confidence out of me
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PuertoRican   United States. Oct 04 2014 17:20. Posts 13047
On October 04 2014 16:02 Nazgul wrote:
the line was so dumb non of this was surprising and we didn't see any new skills by either guy just standard stuff. wish I bet more but the Overeem bet has taken the confidence out of me
The best thing to do with Overeem is just not bet him. It's hard, but it's something you have to do, imo. (I haven't bet his last two fights.)
When he gets into the cage, I just hope he wins and avoids as much damage as possible.
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Copy/paste from another website:
Jim Bergman had Gunnar Nelson winning the fight; he gave him R1, R2, and R3. Mark Collett had Story 49-46, giving Gunnar R1. Paul Sutherland: 50-44 Story, with a 10-8 R4.
Apparently he's some local judge from Gothenburg with his own club. Hopefully first and last time we ever see him involved in UFC.
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TianYuan   Korea (South). Oct 06 2014 22:56. Posts 6817
On October 04 2014 14:14 PuertoRican wrote:
WOW!
Welcome back to the UFC, Mike Wilkinson!
Backstrom walked up to Wilkinson and Dan Hardy right before the post-fight interview started and said into the microphone, "that's fucked up," then walked away.
The Swedish crowd is booing Wilkinson for some reason, even though he won via KO.
I missed this because I fast forwarded all the interviews etc. What the hell did he mean by that o-O? Seems like an incredibly random thing to say, although I guess he did just get his brain pretty rumbled.
Hm.. Off-suite socks..
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PuertoRican   United States. Oct 07 2014 00:40. Posts 13047
Backstrom walked up to Wilkinson and Dan Hardy right before the post-fight interview started and said into the microphone, "that's fucked up," then walked away.
The Swedish crowd is booing Wilkinson for some reason, even though he won via KO.
I missed this because I fast forwarded all the interviews etc. What the hell did he mean by that o-O? Seems like an incredibly random thing to say, although I guess he did just get his brain pretty rumbled.
No idea what he meant by it. Backstrom probably felt like a Starcraft 1 pro gamer who just got 6-pooled in WCG by a random foreigner. He was probably just pissed and needed to let some steam off.
I was surprised more by the crowd that was booing Wilkinson. It seemed like, "how dare you beat our countryman!" If it was Gustafsson who got knocked out in Sweden, his opponent probably wouldn't have made it home alive.
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Translated by someone on Sherdog:
Q: Then afterwards, when... [Wilkinson] was extremely exited and ran around, and then there was the interview. We saw you there on your stool, you seemed totally unsympathetic [to the stoppage] and walked up and said "That's fucked up!"... what are your thoughts about that?
A:Yeah... after you get knocked out, well... understandably, you're not the sharpest tool in the shed. I was... well, totally convinced that I had been robbed. Ehm... of course afterwards I realized how ridiculous I had been... But... well, yeah, I'm a warrior, and I'll keep fighting until im unable to continue. This time I was unable, but I couldn't understand it at the time... It's really good that there's a referee in there to tell you when it's over
Q: What were your feelings then, right after the stoppage?
A: Well, first anger, shock... I absolutely do not have any ill feelings towards [Wilkinson], he's a great guy. I met him and talked for a bit after the fight, and he's a really great guy, which is something I never really had any doubts about. This is what happens in this sport, and I wish him the best of luck in the future but [just after the stoppage] I wasn't really the sharpest tool in the shed.
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Last edit: 07/10/2014 01:02
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TianYuan   Korea (South). Oct 07 2014 03:34. Posts 6817
That's a pretty great response, understandably confused after that punch hehe
And swedish sports fans can be idiots... we have a decent amount of hooligan culture in soccer etc so I wouldnt assume MMA fans are any better
Hm.. Off-suite socks..
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Nazgul   Netherlands. Oct 08 2014 08:50. Posts 7080