Ayahuasca experience - Page 2

On May 27 2014 18:57 JosephCalgary wrote: i talked to the guy who is incharge of the ayahuasca retreat and he says my mental illness is unique to me and that this isnt occuring with other people

Yeah I bet you re the first guy to suffer paranoia from a psychedelic drug ...

If this is such a strong drug, shouldn't you prepare yourself mentally and physically before trying it? I'm guessing it could mess you up if you're weak mentally at the time of using

{My first psychedelic was DMT, I disagree with baal because DMT even though is a strong psychedelic it only last 10 minutes so if you have a bad trip it will be over sooner than with the more "mild" psychedelics. Set & setting are very important, you should be conscious of why you are doing it and that the place where you take it is safe and you are not alone.

Psychedelics experiences are very subjective. Some people would say that is life-changing but I don't think it happens to most of the people and the ones that do change their lives is because they knew and want to change their lives and in the trip they found what they already knew but from another perspective.

My life change because somehow the second time I take DMT it show me that I was being selfish with the people that love me most and some other friend that didnt went to college, have a daughter that he doesnt support, doesn't have a job was very excited because in his trip he was flying around Paris lol.

@Chris

Maybe you can just post your experience here so others can also read(only if you don't mind, otherwise plz PM me) in dot point like:

-What made you want to go?
-How did you plan the trip?
-What was your mind frame like before you went?
-Did you previously take any psychedelic drugs?
-Which place did you specifically travel to?
-Can you describe what it was like in terms of accomodation, days, the actual ritual or ceremony (before taking it)

note: @sliggy I might try DMT first, but do they even exist in AU?

On May 27 2014 18:57 JosephCalgary wrote: handle ayahuasca? ayahuasca is love an infinite intelligence communicates with you its more awesome than xmen days of future past however i had severe pyschosis and paranoia for many years after i started hearing voices and things would physically communicate with me i talked to the guy who is incharge of the ayahuasca retreat and he says my mental illness is unique to me and that this isnt occuring with other people

It is possible that you will relate well with the famous psychologist C.G. Jung. He had a psychic experience (in another perspective, a psychic "break" ) and had an abundance of visions and psychic journeyings for two solid years through his twenties. He later went on to state that these were the most important moments of his life and that everything he accomplished in his career was simply a pale attempt to relate what he learned through his experience and reflection upon said psychic journeys. I recommend first reading C.G. Jung's Man and His Symbols, although my recommendation doesn't mean much especially since C.G. Jung's has a book that he specifically went through and recalled his psychic visions, which led him to go on and produce Jung's "Red Book" which is an amazing illuminated manuscript.

(illuminated manuscript means it is a book with illustrations, in this case by Jung of the things he witnessed.)

On May 27 2014 23:59 jvilla777 wrote: @Chris Maybe you can just post your experience here so others can also read(only if you don't mind, otherwise plz PM me) in dot point like: -What made you want to go? -How did you plan the trip? -What was your mind frame like before you went? -Did you previously take any psychedelic drugs? -Which place did you specifically travel to? -Can you describe what it was like in terms of accomodation, days, the actual ritual or ceremony (before taking it) note: @sliggy I might try DMT first, but do they even exist in AU?

I don't know about the rest of Australia, but Melbourne is one of the best places for DMT / mushrooms. A lot of people here synthesize their own DMT from nettles. A chick my housemate is seeing makes her own, it's incredibly common and easy to do. They don't police it too vigorously because it's so uncommon and niche.

And yeah, I've heard horror stories of people losing their shit after trying psychedelics but it almost always seems to be a case of a pre-existing mental condition being antagonized by the experience. Obviously not an expert but all I can give you is my own experiences, I have tripped MANY times off a variety of psychedelics, some trips were VERY strong (complete ego death), and I am 100% fine today.

It's easier to find it in "changa" form than crystal, but that's good because the changa form is a little less intense. If you've never gone into a psych trip before it's more than enough to open your eyes to the idea you're toying with

My first ever psych trip was with a huge dose of mushrooms and a bunch of friends and I had a blast. I can definitely see how it would scare the shit out of people though.

If you want better information than what you'll find on a poker site, go to http://www.shroomery.org and search / post in the forums there.

On May 27 2014 23:59 jvilla777 wrote: @Chris Maybe you can just post your experience here so others can also read(only if you don't mind, otherwise plz PM me) in dot point like: -What made you want to go? I was presented with a very unique and amazing and life changing opportunity by a very good friend and I needed answers in life. I took a chance. I thought it would be new and exciting. I saw certain changes in mentality at the time in my friend and was curious. I could read and listen and read experiences, but in the end I had to see for myself. Something about the mystique and connection to nature and its history, even from an anthropological standpoint, the shamanic and ayahuasca journey is quite appealing. At the time it almost felt like tip-toeing the bounds of what is safe and what is true adventure. -How did you plan the trip? Most of it was planned for me. There was some literature to read and some rules and diets to follow. The trip was through Temple of the way of Light and it is in the Peruvian Amazon. To share some personal information (so anyone who reads, I would appreciate a little less criticism than normal...I am being candid) I was on Paxil at the time. Diagnosed with depression and anxiety. I had to make a decision to come off of Paxil in order to go on the trip and had to do this several months in advance. I was on Paxil for about 10 months or so before coming off. It is imperative to look up what are called MAO inhibitors, but also some other medicines and foods and recreational drugs you do not want to be taking if you are going to try ayahuasca. I have not dealt with any other psychedelics; no mushrooms, LSD, etc. and really, to that point, had little intention of trying any. Part of the entire trip through TotWoL was that you would learn a little bit about ayahuasca's place in indigenous culture. I think there are some companies that cater to the curious in semi spa like settings. We went into the jungle, stayed with shamans and participated in ceremonies. We had tickets booked in advance and after adhering to the diet for several weeks and flew into Lima and took another flight into Iquitos. I suggest Dawn on the Amazon as a nice point of contact if you go to this area. The patron is informative and friendly, the food is good. They serve menu items sensitive to the ayahuasca diet. The diet is important to stick to for 'correct' results. -What was your mind frame like before you went? I was naively curious and excited. It had an Indiana Jones element to it - parading into the jungle into what was then unknown to me. I was going to be gone for a few weeks. The plan was about two weeks at the temple. I was aware there would be no running water, no power (only an emergency gas generator used for some cooking and, well, emergencies. I saw we would have little huts to stay in (I cannot remember the term at the moment) and I was ready for an adventure. I had decided this was going to be an adventure and I was trying to prepare myself to meet mother nature in spirit form. I had some naysayers who worried about my thrill seeking, saying I could go to an amusement park. That made me want to go more. How many people do you meet everyday who have gone and done things of this nature? I was determined to keep a journal and I believe it was suggested. I re-read my favorite book, Heart of Darkness, and imagined myself as Marlow going upriver to meet Kurtz. -Did you previously take any psychedelic drugs? I had mentioned above I hadn't, not entirely. I had tried opium a couple of times if that counts. -Which place did you specifically travel to? Stayed with the Shipibo tribe shamans via Temple of the Way of Light. Research Iquitos. It feels like a frontier town and I believe it is. The Amazon forms there. Majestic, I think it is, but I do not want to over sell it. -Can you describe what it was like in terms of accomodation, days, the actual ritual or ceremony (before taking it) There were several rituals, and all were different. It is stressed we need to purify ourselves before taking ayahuasca. It can vary in potency. We took a bus ride out of Iquitos for over an hour and left town, following the river. We came to an old beat up, seemingly abandoned old beach where jungle dwellers would come to trade with locals. Kids jumped off of an old lighthouse tower with daredevil maneuvers and a lonely vendor sold cold cokes. We took an old wood boat, really a canoe, with a wood cover, and it had a prop motor. We puttered along the river and disappeared into a tributary. We weaved around debris and the jungle got closer and the water more shallow. Hands in the boat. Eventually we met some guides and they helped carry our packs and water and miscellaneous supplies for a hike that lasted about an hour or just over. We reached the site and were greeted with a manicured path and flowers. Along the way we came across jungle residents and their flat platforms with subdued fires and grungy, bright colored hand me downs from the '80s. We had the temple centered in the site. A large circular wooden structure with mosquito screens a wooden domed roof. The shamans residence was a shared quarters adjacent to the temple, along a hill and its deep, narrow ravine. The dining hall and kitchen was next to the shaman's place and up the hill from the temple. Our private rooms dotted the surrounding hills. A small pond was at the bottom, center of the hills, near the temple. The shamans would collect water from this and concoct a bath and perfume using flower petals, jungle herbs and mysticism. We had a purification ritual our first day and this was required before any ayahuasca consumption. The ayahuasca ceremonies themselves varied, but I hesitate to share too much because I think each person will have a unique perspective and experience. They took place at night, with shamanic rituals - meditation, smoking mupacho, or jungle tobacco. The tobacco is the husband to mother ayahuasca. The shamans would chant and clear their throats and make vulgar noises to call or dispel spirits. They would do individualized singing of iciros to align and correct our chakras. We would be summoned to the center, a few at a time, to take a shot of ayahuasca. To be clear - it is disgusting. It has the consistency and appearance of vomit. It burns when you drink it. You will instantly regret it and feel sick. It is hot and viscous. We return to our mats in our circle around the temple and I, personally, immediately light a jungle cigarette and smoke the mupacho. It soothes the nausea and helps clear the lingering presence from your mouth. You can inhale if you want - it is very harsh, think cigars - but to roll it around and blow it out is enjoyable, even if you don't regularly smoke. The jungle comes alive at night and everyone sits in complete darkness and silence for what seems like forever. At some point, the shamans begin singing again, almost chanting. Some in unison, others in their own high pitched battle. It sounds like gibberish and I felt annoyed. It hurt my ears. There was nothing pleasant. At some point, I didn't hear the singing, but they were still singing. It was as if by their vibrations I was removed from the other noises and pings of angst or recognition from anything else - I was held in a trance like state, almost. I remember the singing eventually became beautiful and I started to see things, which I will keep to myself unless pressed. I came back to the burning sensation in my eyes as a shaman spewed a perfume mist into my face and I became alert. I was sitting with crossed legs on my mat in the total darkness, but could make out other shamans making the rounds to their participants in the temple. I was very tired and slept on my mat. The second ritual I increased my dose of ayahuasca and had a much more potent experience. Notes: lots of bug spray, I was eaten alive. Wear longs sleeves and be mindful of bare feet. There are parasites in the dirt. Don't use any untreated water on bug bites, cuts, or your mouth and eyes. Don't shave in the jungle. If you want to know more just let me know,

Other notes:

The ayahuasca stays in you for a bit and stays with you for some time - not months or anything, but you need to stick to the diet for days after drinking ayahuasca.

Many guests at the temple were fans of shrooms and LSD and DMT but all swear that ayahuasca is more potent and life affirming / changing. I am not sure about negative trips with ayahuasca, as I said, I am sure they vary. I think it is probably consistent with all psychedelics to try to go in with a positive mindset and happy thoughts, etc. That didn't necessarily work for me, or I think, anyone, according to the shamans.

They said we would experience what we needed to experience. At least for me, I think that was accurate.

Can you describe exactly what you experienced/saw?

and chris did it change your view of the world? did it cure you from your depression?

Wow that was pretty awesome chris, but you just left out the most important part. I've never even heard about these things before getting on LP, so its quite interesting. Please dont keep anything to yourself

my second or third time drink ayahuasca I left the ceremony area to go to the bathroom, in the bathroom I saw this thing on the wall and I started breathing and it kept expanding into this marvelous design everywhere on the wall in the bathroom stall. I put my hand over the designs to see if Im projecting this and my hand covered the designed. I was so elated I screamed. lol If Im hallucinating these designs they should be showing up on my hands. But they weren't. how crazy is that?

That is neat JosephCalgary.

When I did something called Ayahuasca delivered in a semi-foul drink I did not hallucinate at all and had some lolexperiences. When I say lolexperiences I mean both what I did and what was witnessed around me, as we were in a big yoga studio that is shaped like a Teepee, each of the attendees arranged in a big circle on our sleeping mats. k2o4 and his lovely wife had invited me to go!

I think I will tell this story into my microphone and share it sometime once this mood grips me again.

Hi try readying about it here https://www.dmt-nexus.me/
the forums are great lots of expieriecned people there

i did this in peru with a shaman. wwas a loose experience

damn you guys, dont just say you did it, elaborate the experience and how it changed you afterwards...

Potency Levels - Strongest to Weakest.
: Auyasca >>> LSD >>> Extacy >>> Mushrooms >>> weed.

I had many of the same similar paranoia etc after large doses of LSD, very similar to Woodbrave's experiences on Auyasca. Lasted years, same thing.

I was not in a strong state of mind one weekend and many hits of LSD and a lil xtc messed my brain up for ~2-3 years pretty badly.

Still not 110% stable.

Was like 30-40% stable for a few years.

Now around 80-100, depends the day.

What do you mean by "messed my brain up"?

On June 02 2014 13:31 GoldRush wrote: Still not 110% stable.

spit my drink to this

I tell about my time up to and in the Ayahuasca ceremony here in this video podcast style I suppose

(storytelling)