Today's job hunt

I'm going to assume you're pretty young even though I have no idea one way or another. I'm also going to assume you'll take just about any job you're offered. Who cares if 9 people say no to you, if one says yes then you're fine. It's a numbers game, just throw your resume in everywhere.

Also you aren't "hired" until you sign the paperwork. Until then nobody has any obligation to stick to their word.

>just a numbers game

Been throwing my resume out there for two fucking years. It's not a fucking numbers game, IT'S LIFE.

You obviously are trying instead of doing, whoever gave you that advice at home (along with a ton of people who would give it on LP too) is correct that it is the best way to get yourself a job. I've gotten jobs that way.

If you need a more recent reference get a friend or family member who will take a call for you and say that ya you worked for their company. Worked for my family.

Transform your vocabulary to change your life.

I'm looking at this from a perspective that was similar to yours on at least some levels (we do both, after all, find ourselves posting at LP) and there's really no magic bullet except for your own decision to start acting differently. Better. Doing that will filter into your mindset. Stop jerking off and use your balljuice to soak your anxiety in while you just walk up to some storefronts and learn what its like to ask for a manager, ask for work, etc. Or to stop using certain words that aren't helping you, change your grammar syntax, learn how to plan and set goals.. There is a ton of stuff you can just do. And then you're off!

-When you walk into a place and ask for a job application, how do you ask? what's your body language like?

-What kind of jacket are you wearing and what is the rest of your outfit going to these places? You should be at least wearing business casual, button down white shirt,slacks,and dress shoes.

omg that cashier

I'd want to murder her. What a passive aggressive bitch. Thank god for poker, no need to deal with assholes like that.

On December 19 2013 18:21 Gnarly wrote: >just a numbers game Been throwing my resume out there for two fucking years. It's not a fucking numbers game, IT'S LIFE.

If you've been 'throwing your resume out there for two years" there's a bigger problem here...

When you do walk in applications, I would suggest you ask for the manager first and then ask the manager if they are looking to hire. This would give the manager a chance to see the kind of person you are in the brief conversation you have.

Don't just ask for an application form then take home and fill it out, because most of the time this piece of paper never reaches the manager.

Am I the only one who thinks that he is trolling?

On December 19 2013 20:20 SolarM wrote: Am I the only one who thinks that he is trolling?

Wow, I'm not the only one.

Why not go to community college? Financial aid pays for it all it you don't make much money.

Dont take a job that hands out applications at the front desk (walmart, McDonalds, etc). Find a job that is actually advertising itself online through a job forum, then submit your application with your resume. Tailor your resume for the job if necessary.

Financial aid? 150 a semester. I've tried scholarships, but all that I see are just a couple hundred bucks, most of which I can't apply for, and the ones I did apply for, nope.jpg.

I usually dress with either black or blue jeans, because that's all I have, and either a white t-shirt or a button down shirt. I've gotten jobs with this attire before, it can happen again. Not like the places I'm applying to are anything special, I have no prospects. Other than that, I don't know how I look. I don't know if I'm puffing out my chest or with a slouch. I try to keep my hands open and my palms visible, smile and maintain eye contact. (eye contact is really hard for me, probably autistic or some shit) I don't speak well at all, and I think I have a lisp. I used to have to take a lot of speech therapy when I was younger.

I don't know what words are helping me and which ones aren't helping me. I don't know what grammar syntax I should use or which one I shouldn't use. To me, those are a bunch of variables that change with the person. I also have ADHD which means I can't sit still no matter how hard I try, and I would rather just let it go rather than suppress it because I feel that would be distracting to both me and the person interviewing me.

I really have no idea what I'm doing when it comes to looking for a job. I don't like people and can't trust them and this comes from past experiences which I was trying to get help for, but ya know, people who took eight years of schooling to do their jobs don't know shit about it. (what my parents think) I was to take a test on my last visit, which I never went, which would've diagnosed me with paranoid schizophrenia personality trait, different forms of PTSD, some hallucinogenic shit, and a couple other disorders. I'm also told by everyone I've ever talked to about my life and that they are a professional in that field that I should never go into the military, and that even if I wanted to, I would fail their mental evaluations. My dad keeps railing on me to go to the military, but I don't want to be rejected. I don't want to go, but I don't want to be rejected, either.

I'm a neurotic mess. I'm sure everyone can tell. Also being heavily depressed doesn't help, but I don't think that's going away in my life.

You're not going to be rejected by the military, they take anyone. Just make sure you join the air force if you dont want to be completely miserable. What is your educational background? Highest level completed, special classes taken, languages, computer science, anything outside of the normal "general ed" coursework. What was the best job you ever had? What was the worst? What was your last job? What do you want to do? Lastly, can you save up enough money to buy one cheap suit from like the Target clothing aisle or something. Pants, shirt, jacket, tie, belt, and shoes. You could probably put together an entire outfit for like $100 that would pass at first glance as quality. You definitely cant be showing up to interviews in jeans and shit unless you're applying to be a warehouse worker or something.

Just trying to build a profile here to make recommendations of where you should aim and how to get there.

I took spanish in HS, but my first spanish teacher spoke south american spanish, which is different than mexican spanish, second teacher couldn't teach worth a shit as he couldn't speak english, then the last one just gave us test scores to keep his job. That's pretty much how my entire education went. No college or anything. I actually laughed at the $100 deal. I mean, shit, my license is expired, my inspection is expired, my registration is expired, i have a phone bill to pay for, then I have food and gas to worry about. I was able to make a little profit with live poker and selling weed, but those days are over. I'm glad my parents will help me out, but they can't afford to help me out any more since my sister had to move back in with her baby.

Though, I MIGHT have some shoes and a tie. When I say I have no prospects, I mean it, all I have is a diploma. They built a modern high school recently just down the street from the high school I went to, which was built only seven years ago.

Best job I had was delivery, cause I'm a fast driver, I dress with style, and having a baby face like mine, I could weasel a 20 out of any woman. Some nights, I made 30/hr. Worst job I had was a sweat shop for redplum. 12-14 hour shifts, not allowed to use the restroom except for lunch time, alllllllll of my coworkers spoke only spanish except for about three or four, and none of my supervisors spoke any english. I had to pay to get my money, pay to see how much money I had, pay to take money out, and pay to keep an account, so I got less than minimum wage.

I'd like to go into food, work my way up, get managerial skills, maybe even own my own place one day and expand from there.

As for the military not rejecting anyone, I know quite a few people who were rejected. Actually, I think I know more people who were rejected/dishonorably discharged than I do that actually went at least 4 years.

On December 19 2013 20:05 djforever wrote: Show nested quote + On December 19 2013 18:21 Gnarly wrote: >just a numbers game Been throwing my resume out there for two fucking years. It's not a fucking numbers game, IT'S LIFE. If you've been 'throwing your resume out there for two years" there's a bigger problem here...

this is pretty obvious

On December 20 2013 00:57 NewbSaibot wrote: You're not going to be rejected by the military, they take anyone. Just make sure you join the air force if you dont want to be completely miserable. What is your educational background? Highest level completed, special classes taken, languages, computer science, anything outside of the normal "general ed" coursework. What was the best job you ever had? What was the worst? What was your last job? What do you want to do? Lastly, can you save up enough money to buy one cheap suit from like the Target clothing aisle or something. Pants, shirt, jacket, tie, belt, and shoes. You could probably put together an entire outfit for like $100 that would pass at first glance as quality. You definitely cant be showing up to interviews in jeans and shit unless you're applying to be a warehouse worker or something. Just trying to build a profile here to make recommendations of where you should aim and how to get there.

Military will reject him IF he discloses his mental health issues. If he doesn't and they find out, he's fucked.

Anyways, OP, you need to get your shit together man. Life is rough. We all have our issues. Sit down and reflect on your job search and really try and think about why you have been unsuccessful and figure out the areas you need to improve. If it's clothes, try and gather up some money like Saibot said and get some new treads to wear walking around. It could also be your lack of follow up. Most minimum wage jobs are going to hire the person that keeps stopping by and calling. Be persistent.

Personal appearance and presentation is really important. As I said in previous blog, first 20 seconds are most important on how you present yourself. People subconsciously will have decided on a person with 20 seconds just by all the little small things that consciously you don't even realise. How you stand, walk, placement of arms, hands, your hair, your clothes, your tone, your language, your pace of speech. All this your brain picks up and you decide if you can like this person or not very quickly. Of course your mind can be changed, but for a prospective employer they dont have time to change their mind.

you clearly dont want these jobs.
man up and learn some humility.

or don't and keep doing what you're doing

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On December 20 2013 13:08 2c0ntent wrote: Show nested quote + On December 20 2013 00:16 Gnarly wrote: I don't know what words are helping me and which ones aren't helping me. I don't know what grammar syntax I should use or which one I shouldn't use. To me, those are a bunch of variables that change with the person. I also have ADHD which means I can't sit still no matter how hard I try, and I would rather just let it go rather than suppress it because I feel that would be distracting to both me and the person interviewing me. Up front, this is just my perspective from my own self. Best of luck and, anyhow, you really already have everything you need. With words and vocabulary it is very simple: Cut out all negative phraseology which you have adopted over the years. That means don't use put-downs in your speech. I have a feeling that you are one of those people who has a lot of internal dialog. This is included as your speech. At the same time, add words which empower. As an example, you'd stop saying, "I also have ADHD which means I can't sit still no matter how hard I try" outloud. Just eject it from your vocabulary. If you find yourself saying hurtful things internally -- and here's where it gets dicey for people-- even if you're projecting onto another object such as "that person sucks" or "this computer is a slow piece of shit", it is as bad as saying it about yourself. It does the commensurate harm. I've got an itch to speak a bit more about anxiety. The following will bring you more clarity. An interesting thing about human beings is that we tend to forget. We forget to do the dishes, we forget to do our homework, we forget to get out of bed in the morning.. We forget words. Knowing fewer words is very harmful because an essential element in the structure of your thought is formed of the words in your vocabulary. You need to build a house and may have traveled all of the way to the jobsite to find that three fourths of your tools fell out of your trailer on the way there. Pick up some new tools and materials, learn some new words. This reminds us not to forget that there is more than just words at play here. Your thoughts are also composed of images, smells, and other sensations. When it comes to thinking thoughts, Insert good ones, useful ones, and let the negative ones be left alone, to be forgotten, don't feed the negative things more of your time and energy. Eject "try" from your vocabulary. At the external, physical level, words are sound waves, at the internal, physical level, they are electrical currents*. At the personal, practical level, words are an important tool of communication between people and within yourself. So use the right words by default. (typed transformation vocabulary into youtube and came across this guy, lots of good short videos on his channel!) Take ownership of your labels, your strengths, your weaknesses, your successes and your failures. Your labels: ADHD? Schizotypal? Keep it on the down-low; these are your secret thought weapons. Your strengths: Your growing understanding of the importance of vocabulary? Keep it on the down-low and realize that it is rubbing off on people anyway; a wise philosopher once opined that a man loses those intricate, not-yet-fulfilled designs which he discloses to others (Tom Hopkins put it this way, "Tell the world what you intend to do, but only after you've done it.". and so on.. Oh yeah, one tip about grammar syntax: Use the present tense for thinking and witness how things begin to move forward again, even if it is in creaks and squeaks. *how cool is it that human beings can alter such things as electrical flows with their mind's whim. (flex a muscle u nancy)

good post

Yeah peoples attitudes tend to rub off on their life. Negative people live shitty lives, happy people live happy lives, even if it's somewhat of a front, if you project a positive attitude you set yourself up for positive encounters.

Anyway if you cant scrape together $100 for a total outfit, can you do like $30 for a pair of khaki's and a button down long sleeved shirt? As Morgan Freeman said, "how often do you look at a man's shoes?". You can get by without the shoes if you are dressed more casually. Any belt will do, grab something for $5 off the rack. Grab a generic button down shirt. If it's brand new it will still look flat and crisp.

You have a diploma, thats plenty to get you started. I have a diploma. I went to college for 2 years but dropped out. I dont even mention it on my resume anymore since employers were assuming I had an associates degree and then thinking I mislead them when I didnt. I make 60k/year now. I've been working professionally for the last 10 years, and started at 30k. Granted I have some certifications in my field (computer technician) but those only cost like 1k each and were acquired after I was hired throughout the years.

So you want to get into food, I guess you mean like restaurant management, or even ownership possibly? Or like becoming a chef? Either way I think you can get your foot in the door by becoming a waiter, and probably make some decent cash too. Lots of waiters actually do pretty well for themselves. It's considered a low end job so you can probably walk in and apply without it being awkward, and you can probably do so wearing your $30 "suit" which will consist of nothing more than nice pants and nice shirt from the rack at wal-mart. Wear the same thing for your interview. Nobody wears a suit to a job like that so you'll probably actually look quite good, like someone who is trying to get the job, and not just another idiot wearing flip flops and board shorts.

While waiting tables might not seem to open any doors, you'll at least be in an industry you like, and that will make you happy. Get yourself some roomates so you're only paying like $300/month rent and $50 utilities. You could easily afford this working at Waffle House (do not work at Waffle house). But try for something like Outback steak house, or Carraba's or something. Nothing too high that you arent qualified for, but not too low that you're with the scum of the earth. You might find you really like it. You can even make a legit career out of it. Valentines day I take my girl out to a fancy dinner downtown and leave a $40 tip. My waiter served like 50 people during that time. Thats mad bank. These waiters are smart, they actually DO wear ties and shit to work, and know the menu inside and out. Very respectable, skilled work, and killer pay.

Obviously forget poker, you cant afford to be wasting money on that. If you were a winner then we wouldnt be having this conversation. Not until you have $1000/month disposable income can you ever play poker again.

You also mentioned you're into delivery, have you ever considered working for something like UPS/FedEx? If thats a little too much grunt work, there's always shit like limo driver where you can feel like a sir. If you mack on ladies all day then you might have "the look" to drive a high end vehicle like that. That job probably wont go anywhere but if it at least makes you happy for awhile and pays the bills, why not?

you know you look like a bum (regardless of what you are saying) when a CASHIER is giving you money to wash your clothes, even though they are clean. seriously man, get yourself presentable and be polite, patient and friendly. apply for jobs you are dressed for. even restaurants hiring people for the kitchen want to see someone presentable.

i really hope you are trolling.

i have pretty bad depression and i have to put in hard work every to minimize its impact on my life. it is tough to deal with but in the end it is not going to be a legit excuse to waste your life and wallow in your own misery or social disfunction.

Bottom line people want to hire people who are willing to work and can sell the product that they are pimping. If you're struggling with getting a job chances are you really are being lazy and don't want to work or you're going about it all wrong. If you want retail job wear jeans and a button up. If you want a restaurant job go to a thrift store, buy a pair of 10$ slacks throw on the button up with a tie. Hit every place you can get to whether it says hiring or not. Ask to speak to a manager and inquire about a job. You say your willing to bus, willing to work any shift. The words "I just need one opportunity to prove to you that I am a worker" will never fail when speaking with any manager if they are at all hiring. HAVE A RESUME even if its crappy work history 95% of people refuse to make one for those type of jobs because they all assume you just need to fill out application and a resume shows you are serious. Ask for application from the manager only and then fill it out and give them your resume. You call back every resume & application you dropped off 2 days later and inquire about how the process is going. People want you to show effort and desire. Who would you hire? the guy who asks for application and drops it off? or the one who requests for a meet with the manager then fills out application on site and drops off a resume with it, and then calls back a couple days later inquiring about that job. Back to the beginning it shows you want to work and are willing to do whatever it takes. Thats the guy people want to hire. If you go about that process every day and hit 20-30 stores/restaurants in the next 3 days you will probably have 5 interviews by the 5th of january.