Just to let u know

I thought it was a pretty good debut video. I like how you didn't spend too long on the intro and it def had some useful content, although I can't really get behind the idea of checking 100% of your range on A44dd as PFR, I really don't get that, but I enjoyed the rest of the analysis. I'm curious, how are you doing so far in the Stars games? It seems most of your success lately has been on other sites, how do you think the Stars games compare to those other sites you play and have you dabbled much with the Zoom NL games? Thoughts on those vs the regular tables? Look forward to more vids anyway

I know its under NDA, but its worth a try - how much u get?

Finally someone that talks fast in a video !!! All other videos make me fall asleep

Very strong video

so what made you quit CR than decide to start back up at RIO?

On December 05 2013 11:41 ToT)MidiaN( wrote: I thought it was a pretty good debut video. I like how you didn't spend too long on the intro and it def had some useful content, although I can't really get behind the idea of checking 100% of your range on A44dd as PFR, I really don't get that, but I enjoyed the rest of the analysis. I'm curious, how are you doing so far in the Stars games? It seems most of your success lately has been on other sites, how do you think the Stars games compare to those other sites you play and have you dabbled much with the Zoom NL games? Thoughts on those vs the regular tables? Look forward to more vids anyway

i think probably betting some % of 4x and then some % of non showdown backdoor draws is probably good w/ the expectation to 3 barrel 4x for value and all bluffs whenever u pick up bd equity and to give up the times u dont is probably good too. obviously there are still a number of different ways to play and nobody knows exactly whats best.

i havent played much in the stars games mainly because they are quite tough ... definitely the toughest on the net. doesn't make sense for me to put as much time into games that i wont have as large of a winrate in. the zoom games are tougher than the regular 6max because most guys play an approach closer to GTO and attempt less exploitation. 500zoom is significantly tougher than 1knl regular.

On December 05 2013 12:22 VanDerMeyde wrote: Finally someone that talks fast in a video !!! All other videos make me fall asleep Very strong video

thx

On December 05 2013 11:52 napoleono wrote: I know its under NDA, but its worth a try - how much u get?

sry

On December 05 2013 12:24 Highcard wrote: so what made you quit CR than decide to start back up at RIO?

cr wasn't really willing to pay me as much as i thought the videos were worth and also they have moved away from doing too many full length videos so there just wasnt that much availability.

the regular crew back at my pad. there's no way these were taken before 4am, haha

Just saw this yesterday. Congrats

I will have to give it a watch soon

how much are u paid per vid? if you dont mind telling

On December 05 2013 21:38 Baalim wrote: how much could someone theoretically be paid to make videos? if you dont mind telling

FYP

Seems like ego is the motivating factor to being an instructor. I just couldnt see myself doing it. Theres a reason why all the rio coaches are b/e / losing players in 2013.

On December 06 2013 03:45 handbanana21 wrote: Seems like ego is the motivating factor to being an instructor. I just couldnt see myself doing it. Theres a reason why all the rio coaches are b/e / losing players in 2013.

Is this true? I remember in one of galfond's videos he talked about how he made sure the vid makers were winners at their stakes. Would like to know cause I'm currently paying 100/month. Only watched Galfond/sauce/Marshall's vid but will eventually watch others.

On December 06 2013 03:45 handbanana21 wrote: Seems like ego is the motivating factor to being an instructor. I just couldnt see myself doing it. Theres a reason why all the rio coaches are b/e / losing players in 2013.

seems like jealousy driven post. not uncommon to see in quite a few of your posts in general.

lol ... im up >300k this year but w/e.

On December 06 2013 09:30 MARSHALL28 wrote: Show nested quote + On December 06 2013 03:45 handbanana21 wrote: Seems like ego is the motivating factor to being an instructor. I just couldnt see myself doing it. Theres a reason why all the rio coaches are b/e / losing players in 2013. seems like jealousy driven post. not uncommon to see in quite a few of your posts in general. lol ... im up >300k this year but w/e.

I didnt mean for it to come off as negative towards you. And im far from jealous.. shark/irunlucky/lucas are all b/e in 2013 and that new guy alpha went on a 100k ds and decided to be a coach. It seems like a joke that guys cant win any more then decide to become coaches off of past results. You can have a debate with me about a subject without having to come off as a tool.

Whats the difference between being a coach and just offering free advice on the forums? Is everyone commenting on hand histories a losing player? Some people just like to help. Teaching also forces your mind to think 4th dimensionally.

br?

On December 06 2013 14:50 NewbSaibot wrote: Whats the difference between being a coach and just offering free advice on the forums? Is everyone commenting on hand histories a losing player? Some people just like to help. Teaching also forces your mind to think 4th dimensionally.

Did you seriously just ask whats the point of making money? I think theres a kid on LP that charged like an exponent of his winnings named myth... i wonder how many retards fell for that

No, what I'm implying is that not everyone who charges for their knowledge is only doing so because they need the money. Marshall says he's up 300k, I doubt he could ever make that much making videos for RIO, so whats the incentive? A little scratch on the side plus it helps him evolve as a thinker. Your ability to teach speaks volumes of your subject knowledge; If you can't explain something simply, you don't understand it well enough

On December 06 2013 09:30 MARSHALL28 wrote: Show nested quote + On December 06 2013 03:45 handbanana21 wrote: Seems like ego is the motivating factor to being an instructor. I just couldnt see myself doing it. Theres a reason why all the rio coaches are b/e / losing players in 2013. seems like jealousy driven post. not uncommon to see in quite a few of your posts in general. lol ... im up >300k this year but w/e.

hes right for a lot of guys. its not true for everyone. there are plenty of videomakers who are crushing this year (you, leo nordin, oddsen, the MTT guys). but a lot of guys start breaking even and find new ways to make money. i dont think its necessarily an awful thing ethically as many have been big winners for long periods of time and have knowledge to share, but their motivation for coaching is often to replace a lost source of income.

but handbanana, im assuming marshall gets paid 1k-1500 per video. why would he turn down basically ~750/hr to make videos (with preparation, fails, and production) when his game will probably improve from it by watching himself play and talking through his thought processes? esp when his main site is anonymous tables and he doesnt have to worry about people figuring out certain things he does

There were two factors in my motivation to choose to make videos again.

One, it is a huge challenge for me to open up my game and force myself to be able to justify all my decisions at the table without looking like an idiot or a fool. All of my videos will be under major scrutiny from a lot of very good players and this is something that will greatly improve my game. I feel mostly that as the majority of my game is on anon tables and I have been doing so well in them that I haven't felt sufficiently challenged which makes things rather boring for me. I felt this would be a good way to challenge myself.

Second, you guys know I have a huge ego. It's not something I hide. I obviously appreciate the respect I end up receiving from a lot of my peers that making videos for a site as frequented by the best players in the game as RIO should help to bolster that perceived opinion of me which is obviously not +ev in a monetary sense but does satisfy my ego a bit.

The money I make in producing the videos is dwarfed by the money I make playing, so if I was doing it for purely financial gain I think it would be a -ev proposition.

On December 06 2013 13:19 handbanana21 wrote: Show nested quote + On December 06 2013 09:30 MARSHALL28 wrote:   On December 06 2013 03:45 handbanana21 wrote: Seems like ego is the motivating factor to being an instructor. I just couldnt see myself doing it. Theres a reason why all the rio coaches are b/e / losing players in 2013. seems like jealousy driven post. not uncommon to see in quite a few of your posts in general. lol ... im up >300k this year but w/e. I didnt mean for it to come off as negative towards you. And im far from jealous.. shark/irunlucky/lucas are all b/e in 2013 and that new guy alpha went on a 100k ds and decided to be a coach. It seems like a joke that guys cant win any more then decide to become coaches off of past results. You can have a debate with me about a subject without having to come off as a tool.

Well it seemed to me as if you were implying I was one of these players which is why I responded in the manner I did. Yes I do think most of the other coaches there excepting a few who have had huge success in HS/nosebleed games are a bit behind the curve but I wouldn't consider myself to be one of those guys which is why I took offence to this statement.

Almost all coaches are donks but Marshall is good i think

On December 06 2013 18:29 MARSHALL28 wrote: Show nested quote + On December 06 2013 13:19 handbanana21 wrote:   On December 06 2013 09:30 MARSHALL28 wrote:   On December 06 2013 03:45 handbanana21 wrote: Seems like ego is the motivating factor to being an instructor. I just couldnt see myself doing it. Theres a reason why all the rio coaches are b/e / losing players in 2013. seems like jealousy driven post. not uncommon to see in quite a few of your posts in general. lol ... im up >300k this year but w/e. I didnt mean for it to come off as negative towards you. And im far from jealous.. shark/irunlucky/lucas are all b/e in 2013 and that new guy alpha went on a 100k ds and decided to be a coach. It seems like a joke that guys cant win any more then decide to become coaches off of past results. You can have a debate with me about a subject without having to come off as a tool. Well it seemed to me as if you were implying I was one of these players which is why I responded in the manner I did. Yes I do think most of the other coaches there excepting a few who have had huge success in HS/nosebleed games are a bit behind the curve but I wouldn't consider myself to be one of those guys which is why I took offence to this statement.

Dude obviously i wasnt calling u a b/e player. The ego thing was a bit out of line.. its clearly true but didnt need to be said. Mikey fbooked me about rio. Its terribly -ev for me since im a stars player. As daut said tho its prob not so bad for you since you play bovada. Gl enjoy the monies etc etc.

On December 06 2013 17:14 Daut wrote: Show nested quote + On December 06 2013 09:30 MARSHALL28 wrote:   On December 06 2013 03:45 handbanana21 wrote: Seems like ego is the motivating factor to being an instructor. I just couldnt see myself doing it. Theres a reason why all the rio coaches are b/e / losing players in 2013. seems like jealousy driven post. not uncommon to see in quite a few of your posts in general. lol ... im up >300k this year but w/e. hes right for a lot of guys. its not true for everyone. there are plenty of videomakers who are crushing this year (you, leo nordin, oddsen, the MTT guys). but a lot of guys start breaking even and find new ways to make money. i dont think its necessarily an awful thing ethically as many have been big winners for long periods of time and have knowledge to share, but their motivation for coaching is often to replace a lost source of income. but handbanana, im assuming marshall gets paid 1k-1500 per video. why would he turn down basically ~750/hr to make videos (with preparation, fails, and production) when his game will probably improve from it by watching himself play and talking through his thought processes? esp when his main site is anonymous tables and he doesnt have to worry about people figuring out certain things he does

I highly doubt its that much. I would guess around 500-750 max. I just think its stupid that a professional site would keep around guys WAY behind the curve. It waters down the quality of the product big time. Leggo at least has apoth and zaza. But yea hopefully marshall turns midstakes around a bit. I stopped watching their vids a long time ago.

On December 06 2013 13:19 handbanana21 wrote: Show nested quote + On December 06 2013 09:30 MARSHALL28 wrote:   On December 06 2013 03:45 handbanana21 wrote: Seems like ego is the motivating factor to being an instructor. I just couldnt see myself doing it. Theres a reason why all the rio coaches are b/e / losing players in 2013. seems like jealousy driven post. not uncommon to see in quite a few of your posts in general. lol ... im up >300k this year but w/e. I didnt mean for it to come off as negative towards you. And im far from jealous.. shark/irunlucky/lucas are all b/e in 2013 and that new guy alpha went on a 100k ds and decided to be a coach. It seems like a joke that guys cant win any more then decide to become coaches off of past results. You can have a debate with me about a subject without having to come off as a tool.

how could he NOT take offense a neutral statement.