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semibluff multiway pot 2/5 live

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HungarianGOD   . Nov 17 2013 17:22. Posts 404

Was wondering your thoughts on this hand:
9 people are at the table. Stakes are 2$/5$


Hero $900, UTG 6c7c
Villain $900 UTG +1 Villain is decent, not a maniac, doesn't have retarded small bet sizing like many people, doesn't play 40+% of hands. I don't know exactly how good he is, but he's a much better than average live player at this game.


Fish 1 $1000 Button
Fish 2 $1000 Small Blind

I limp in UTG with my 6c7c (people at these games tend to give so much respect to the limp-3bet so sometimes I limp UTG with suited connectors instead of fold, and squeeze depending on what I know about other players in the pot).

Villain raises to $20

Fish 1 and Fish 2 call, big blind folds, and because the 2 fish are bad and will often NOT respect my 3bet squeeze, I obviously choose to just flat here instead of 3 bet.

Flop $80
4c3dTc

Fish 2 check and I check, Villain bets $80, Fish 1 folds Fish 2 calls, I just flat.

Turn $320
4c3dTc2s
Fish 2 checks, I check, Villain bets $250, Fish 2 folds, and I think for about 8 seconds and I jam for an additional $550.

Thoughts?

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[vital]Myth    United States. Nov 17 2013 18:03. Posts 12159

With two low sets possible, squeezing flop is way too good of a spot to pass up. Villain is unlikely to see a showdown if you x/r flop and barrel turn and river. The fish is also unlikely to showdown when you take this line, but of course he'll sometimes call down with KT or whatever. And both of these opponents will occasionally get pushed off higher flush draws when you squeeze flop and barrel out, which is huge. As played on flop, I don't really like the turn shove, because wheel draws on board make people call surprisingly often. Calling and open-shoving when you hit rivers is ok, not great in a vacuum, but part of the reason is that you can later abuse a similar line to turn 1-pair bluff-catchers into bluffs (against opponents who actually fold)

If you somehow limp-called here with AXcc, that would be closer to just a call on the flop, but I think I'd lean toward squeezing with that too unless I specifically thought one of my opponents had a lower fd

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mnj   United States. Nov 17 2013 19:24. Posts 3848

i never bluff live and i printed stacks.


mnj   United States. Nov 17 2013 19:26. Posts 3848

but in all seroiusness, checking the flop to check/raise turn is so full of shit/bluffy.


el_tilon   Canada. Nov 19 2013 03:04. Posts 296

Check raise flop, you can also shove many turns like this, or scary turns

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HungarianGOD   . Nov 20 2013 13:42. Posts 404

Thanks for your comments. I was thinking that just calling the flop might be better since it was multiway, and I might be getting much better odds if the draw were to actually complete.
I don't see why check-raising the turn here after checking flop is bluffy after a 2 comes since the 2 completes the 56 straight.

I feel like I misplay multiway pots so often.


thewh00sel    United States. Nov 22 2013 01:38. Posts 2716

overcalling the flop pretty much rules out you having a set so the hands you get action from when the flush comes in will have you beat a lot. That + Fold equity + getting paid in the future if you get caught all lead me to flop ch/r to 280-300 and shove all turns in this spot.

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traxamillion   United States. Nov 22 2013 03:50. Posts 10217

yea this line is a lot worse than c/r flop jam turn. this only folds out other bluffs. As played just call the turn; you have odds since he never folds when you hit and you can just save that last 255 if it bricks out


YoMeR   United States. Nov 22 2013 16:44. Posts 12338


  On November 22 2013 00:38 thewh00sel wrote:
overcalling the flop pretty much rules out you having a set so the hands you get action from when the flush comes in will have you beat a lot. That + Fold equity + getting paid in the future if you get caught all lead me to flop ch/r to 280-300 and shove all turns in this spot.



This is spot on imo.

Bad live nits will go "yum yum look at this idiot jamming his flush draw!"

and will auto adjust by calling you down in other retarded spots that makes no sense for you to be bluffing.

Another thing I'd like to add is if you are just playing the equity of your hand, raising flop is superior to other lines since you have the most equity on the flop. Something to consider as well if you're jamming turns with this hand with less equity. Seems kinda dumb/stupid but makes a huge difference to overall longterm profits.

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