NL200 - $1500 pot

Live 1/2/5 game, 10 handed, very juicy, everyone is retarded. Avg stack is about $700. Villain highlighted in bold is a middle aged nobody, first time playing with him. He called 2 shoves preflop from tilted players for about $150 each time, once with 79s and once with A6s. He usually calls most hands preflop up to 6xBB ($30). He's raised preflop twice in the last 6 hours to 5xBB ($25) both times from UTG, once with AQo. He has built his stack just calling people down with whatever. HUD is probably something like 70/1/1.

Hero has shown down nothing but premiums. Big overpairs or 2 pair+. People have been mocking me as playing only AA/KK. Bought in for $200.

Hero BTN ($1400) is dealt 22.


UTG calls
EP calls
EP1 calls
MP ($1200) calls
MP2 calls
HJ calls
CO calls
Hero calls
SB calls
BB calls

Flop ($50) Ah 2h Qs

UTG bets $15
MP calls
Hero raises to $75
UTG folds
MP calls

Turn ($215) Ah 2h Qs 4s

MP checks
Hero bets $200
MP snap-raises to $400
Hero tank calls

River ($1015) Ah 2h Qs 4s 5s

MP snap shoves ~$700
Hero folds

Logic: the gutshot got there

is this really a 9 way pot lol

If the guy is really smart he could minraise you on the turn with a heart flushdraw.
His thoughts on that play-I play my flushdraw or any kind of draw to look very strong.I know he does not have aces or queens which are the snap all in hands.Almost any river card look dangerous to him.If he has A2,22,A4,44 he might fold!

i just shove turn

On October 21 2013 05:45 julep wrote: i just shove turn

Agree!
There are no hands that make sence to beat you on the turn.
If you play it tricky and just call the turn call the river too.
Too many bluffs and worse hands possible.

wp, can't lose what you don't put in the middle

on a two tone board I'd snap shove any set given the chance ;p

That said, nice river fold

raise to 100 on flop, overbet on turn

On October 21 2013 05:45 julep wrote: i just shove turn

I met villain again tonight, sat directly to his left and chatted with him for awhile. He's a nice guy and it was easy to get on his good side. He confessed to having 2 pair, A4 on the turn, thought it was the nuts. His logic for shoving the river? "There was already so much money out there".

i think you leveled yourself and i think you can raise a bit more on the flop. although, hey you were up like 1k so not bad

I'm probably being very results oriented at this point, but goddamnit if I saw this play out on my computer screen, with cards in plain sight and stack/pot visible, I'm pretty sure I could make the call if not outright ship turn. I suck, sigh....

is 3 5 not a possible hand? not the easiest snap shove playing so deep when it was limped 9 ways preflop. Also sometimes poker players lie about their hands. maybe im just a nit.

Anything besides shoving turn with reads given seems bad

ask yourself if he would really raise turn shove river with A4 in such a spot now that you've played with him more, I think if he's any decent he is just messing with you

shv turn... all day long.

ether way im calling river as well

Looks like a standard shove turn, though I'd probably be really sad if I lost 6 BI to a hard cooler.

35hh is pretty much only hand that beats you...44 folds flop and 35o will likely fold flop given reads. AQ is v likely and sometimes A4 as well. AA/QQ you can discount most or if not all of those combos given it's a limped pot (yes live players do limp AA/QQ often but not often enough to where you can give all the combos of AA/QQ vs said villain)...but this is all generally speaking

"He usually calls most hands preflop up to 6xBB ($30). He's raised preflop twice in the last 6 hours to 5xBB ($25) both times from UTG, once with " This statement also leads me to believe villain almost never has AQ/QQ/AA here

In spots like these it's probably a good fold given villain is a dumb nit. and would have probably stuck a raise in there somewhere with AQ on the flop...he called TWICE. 35hh seems like the most likely hand.

On October 21 2013 19:51 NewbSaibot wrote: I met villain again tonight, sat directly to his left and chatted with him for awhile. He's a nice guy and it was easy to get on his good side. He confessed to having 2 pair, A4 on the turn, thought it was the nuts. His logic for shoving the river? "There was already so much money out there".

I think turn is well played, and i would call river as well. The reason is that, although the river is a pretty big scarecard, is doesn't really help his turn minraise range. I think the odds of him having you beat here are very small, and that 2pair is by far his most likely holding. The logic he described to you in pushing A4 on the river, to me, is standard live donkey logic.

FWIW, I also hate raising turn vs live donkeys, they minraise for value but can get scared and fold to a push. Best to call, and call any river except an ace.