Neutrino speed

Old but meh.
As some may remember last year a team of scientists recorded neutrinos going faster than light. Leading to a ton of poorly written science articles and this picture making the rounds.

Anyhow new tests were run which were unable to reproduce the results. Analysis of the initial test area found error sources + Show Spoiler +

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2012/02/neutrinos-faulty-cable/

A few days ago those errors were confirmed.

Physicists at the CERN laboratory have put the final nail in the coffin for the idea that neutrinos can travel faster than the speed of light. They also confirmed that the groundbreaking results from 2011 can be blamed on faulty equipment.

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2012/06/neutrinos-cant-beat-light/

cliffs: neutrinos don't go faster than light, Einstein wins.

[x] did read that before
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tesla is a fckin badass

whats the point of this thread again?

So some scientists concluded that there are particles with speed higher than that of light, then they said they were wrong and that is enough for you to conclude that they are now correct? Don't you think that they might be wrong a second time? Not that I know what's the truth here but quantum particles are proven to communicate instantaneously, surpassing the speed of light - Quantum Entaglement. It's not said that they communicate via a sent and received wave of energy such as light but quantum physicists believe they are "teleporting" information (lol there should be a better way to explain it i'm sure). So I guess if that is possible, it might be possible that there are particles we cannot detect that are faster than light. I dunno, just food for thought.

What is also important, is that this scientific community faced a problem for which they had no explanation and they decided to reveal all the data they had to the public in order to let people to try to explain it.
So they had no problem saying : "we don't understand", which doesn't happen very often in other fields.

On June 11 2012 08:55 D_smart_S wrote: So some scientists concluded that there are particles with speed higher than that of light, then they said they were wrong and that is enough for you to conclude that they are now correct? Don't you think that they might be wrong a second time? Not that I know what's the truth here but quantum particles are proven to communicate instantaneously, surpassing the speed of light - Quantum Entaglement. It's not said that they communicate via a sent and received wave of energy such as light but quantum physicists believe they are "teleporting" information (lol there should be a better way to explain it i'm sure). So I guess if that is possible, it might be possible that there are particles we cannot detect that are faster than light. I dunno, just food for thought.

There is something quite different between you and those scientists. They don't conclude as fast as you can, they don't assert things just saying "that are proven".
So, no, they never said they demonstrated (or concluded) that there were particles with a speed higher than the one of light. They just said : "here is the experiment we made. Results are odd, and we can't explain it, let's check again, and if you want, do it with us". Next, they tried to repeat the experience and did not find the same results, and in the meantime found an explanation for the first odd results.

On June 11 2012 08:58 kingpowa wrote: What is also important, is that this scientific community faced a problem for which they had no explanation and they decided to reveal all the data they had to the public in order to let people to try to explain it. So they had no problem saying : "we don't understand", which doesn't happen very often in other fields.

what also makes this such a travesty is that the lead researcher of the faulty experiment resigned. He did everything 100% right by the scientific method and ideology he shouldn't be punished when errors were found in his experiment.

@dsmart...entanglement doesn't actually transmit information faster than light, it's a common misconception. Entanglement can roughly be explained as the following. You take a red rock and a blue rock. Put both rocks in a bag, close ur eyes and mix the bag. Then with ur eyes still closed take a rock out and throw it across the solar system. When u check the rock in the bag u instantly know the color of the rock that is at the other side of the solar system. That's, roughly, entanglement. No information was transferred faster than light.
More/better info http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/qt-entangle/

I felt cool when this first happened many months ago, a mate told me, they just found some thingys that go faster than light. And I told him, no, it's wrong calculations, they don't go faster. Really felt it in my gut, they don't.

Remeber I saw a talk about a recent supernova, and they had calculated when the light came and the neutrino's. There's no way they would come when they did unless they were travelling at the same speed, the difference would be mindboggling.

yay, think it was on Sixty Symbol channel, they also interview the Professors there when the news came about the speed thingy, and they're really skeptic, saying it's prolly not the case, and after it's debunked, ye, kinda like we suspected.

Yeap

On June 11 2012 09:29 palak wrote: Show nested quote + On June 11 2012 08:58 kingpowa wrote: What is also important, is that this scientific community faced a problem for which they had no explanation and they decided to reveal all the data they had to the public in order to let people to try to explain it. So they had no problem saying : "we don't understand", which doesn't happen very often in other fields. what also makes this such a travesty is that the lead researcher of the faulty experiment resigned. He did everything 100% right by the scientific method and ideology he shouldn't be punished when errors were found in his experiment. @dsmart...entanglement doesn't actually transmit information faster than light, it's a common misconception. Entanglement can roughly be explained as the following. You take a red rock and a blue rock. Put both rocks in a bag, close ur eyes and mix the bag. Then with ur eyes still closed take a rock out and throw it across the solar system. When u check the rock in the bag u instantly know the color of the rock that is at the other side of the solar system. That's, roughly, entanglement. No information was transferred faster than light. More/better info http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/qt-entangle/

man, I don't want to argue but Quantum Entanglement has nothing to do with what you just said, absolutely nothing. If I take a hair from ur hair and put it a 1000 miles away and I put you under some stress and measure your reaction ( I can't remember which factors are measured, I think it's the electrical discharge or stg like that) the cells in the hair that is 1000 miles away from you will give out the exact same signal you did at the exact same time to the tiniest fraction of time we can measure - in other words instantly. The reading of the two signals are graphs that match 100% ( like a sharkscope graph). That's the way quantum particles communicate, that's a very basic fact but I will not bother arguing about it. It's an instant transfer of information but not by means of a wave of energy. That's the fascinating side of Quantum Physics.

On June 11 2012 10:48 D_smart_S wrote: man, I don't want to argue but Quantum Entanglement has nothing to do with what you just said, absolutely nothing. If I take a hair from ur hair and put it a 1000 miles away and I put you under some stress and measure your reaction ( I can't remember which factors are measured, I think it's the electrical discharge or stg like that) the cells in the hair that is 1000 miles away from you will give out the exact same signal you did at the exact same time to the tiniest fraction of time we can measure - in other words instantly. The reading of the two signals are graphs that match 100% ( like a sharkscope graph). That's the way quantum particles communicate, that's a very basic fact but I will not bother arguing about it. It's an instant transfer of information but not by means of a wave of energy. That's the fascinating side of Quantum Physics.

No you idiot, you can't put the hair you have under stress and make the hair far away change, you can merely observe the hair you have and know the state of the other one.

In other words: You can not use it to transfer data. Information can not be transferred faster than c.

Just because you read ridiculously sensationalized articles like this one: http://www.nature.com/news/2008/080813/full/news.2008.1038.html
doesn't mean information can actually be transferred faster than c, although you can measure something and get a response instantaneously (have them tangled)
doesn't mean you can devise a way to transfer information that way.

^transfer of information between any 2 particles is forbidden by relativity, which yes does still apply to quantum mechanics.
Edit: meant to apply to dsmart, not taco

google "instant transfer of information" , pretty sure it's contrary of being a "fact". But i guess Illuminati owns that site too.

http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=472775

On June 11 2012 08:55 D_smart_S wrote: So some scientists concluded that there are particles with speed higher than that of light, then they said they were wrong and that is enough for you to conclude that they are now correct?

Yeah, fuck the scientific method. Once is good enough for me. I love the fact that you attempt to explain how a key scientific concept has nothing to do with this, yet you don't even understand why it was necessary for the experiment to be repeated.

screw you tesla, talking all that smack, albert wins again

There is a reason for Telsa making a car, he is so behind in coolness to Einstein that they try to make up for it with an e-car.

On June 11 2012 10:48 D_smart_S wrote: Show nested quote + On June 11 2012 09:29 palak wrote:   On June 11 2012 08:58 kingpowa wrote: What is also important, is that this scientific community faced a problem for which they had no explanation and they decided to reveal all the data they had to the public in order to let people to try to explain it. So they had no problem saying : "we don't understand", which doesn't happen very often in other fields. what also makes this such a travesty is that the lead researcher of the faulty experiment resigned. He did everything 100% right by the scientific method and ideology he shouldn't be punished when errors were found in his experiment. @dsmart...entanglement doesn't actually transmit information faster than light, it's a common misconception. Entanglement can roughly be explained as the following. You take a red rock and a blue rock. Put both rocks in a bag, close ur eyes and mix the bag. Then with ur eyes still closed take a rock out and throw it across the solar system. When u check the rock in the bag u instantly know the color of the rock that is at the other side of the solar system. That's, roughly, entanglement. No information was transferred faster than light. More/better info http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/qt-entangle/ man, I don't want to argue but Quantum Entanglement has nothing to do with what you just said, absolutely nothing. If I take a hair from ur hair and put it a 1000 miles away and I put you under some stress and measure your reaction ( I can't remember which factors are measured, I think it's the electrical discharge or stg like that) the cells in the hair that is 1000 miles away from you will give out the exact same signal you did at the exact same time to the tiniest fraction of time we can measure - in other words instantly. The reading of the two signals are graphs that match 100% ( like a sharkscope graph). That's the way quantum particles communicate, that's a very basic fact but I will not bother arguing about it. It's an instant transfer of information but not by means of a wave of energy. That's the fascinating side of Quantum Physics.

You talk about a difficult subject that you don't even slightly understand. And btw a hair is not a quantum particle lol, no quantum effect on such a huge object...

a hair consists of cells which consist of atoms and subatoms and quantum particles. It's the electrical charge of a cell that's measured I think but whatever the details, the thing is that quantum particles communicate instantly.

my balls can go faster than the speed of light

Thoughts are faster than light, they can go from the sun to planet earth in less than 8 minutes, and they can even reach the furthest galaxies and beyond.

lol