PokerStars Hand #81011107295: Tournament #565892206, $3.19+$0.31 USD Holdem No Limit - Level XXIII (6000/12000) - 2012/05/26 1:41:01 CET [2012/05/25 19:41:01 ET]
Table 565892206 3 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: NeillyAA (287332 in chips) 
Seat 2: Hero (166243 in chips) 
Seat 6: Pay@soo (431925 in chips) 
NeillyAA: posts the ante 1200
Hero: posts the ante 1200
Pay@soo: posts the ante 1200
Pay@soo: posts small blind 6000
NeillyAA: posts big blind 12000
Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to Hero 
 
 
Hero: raises 12000 to 24000
Pay@soo: folds 
NeillyAA: calls 12000
Flop(Odds) (Pot : $57,600.00)
    

 
 
NeillyAA: checks 
Hero: bets 12000
NeillyAA: raises 250132 to 262132 and is all-in
Hero: calls 129043 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (121089) returned to NeillyAA
Turn(Odds) (Pot : $339,686.00)
    


 
 
River (Pot : $339,686.00)
    



 
 
Showdown
NeillyAA: shows 
 (a flush, Ace high)
  (a flush, Ace high)
Hero: shows 
 (three of a kind, Kings)
  (three of a kind, Kings)
NeillyAA collected 339686 from pot
Summary
Total pot 339686 | Rake 0 
Board  




Seat 1: NeillyAA (big blind) showed 
 and won (339686) with a flush, Ace high
  and won (339686) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 2: Hero (button) showed 
 and lost with three of a kind, Kings
  and lost with three of a kind, Kings
Seat 6: Pay@soo (small blind) folded before Flop
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                            |  | SleveSung   Switzerland. May 25 2012 19:44. Posts 14 |  |  |  | | gg neilly  | 
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                            |  | jvilla777   Australia. May 25 2012 19:46. Posts 1348 |  |  |  |  |  | | longple: ur missing the point! this is an attempt to get away from the bumhuntmentality! |  | 
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| |  |  |  | | i dont see anything wrong in neilly's playwhats up jvilla?
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                            |  | jvilla777   Australia. May 25 2012 20:10. Posts 1348 |  |  |  | | not saying there is something wrong with it jus *WOW*!! | 
 |  | | longple: ur missing the point! this is an attempt to get away from the bumhuntmentality! | Last edit: 25/05/2012 20:11 | 
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                            |  | jvilla777   Australia. May 25 2012 20:20. Posts 1348 |  |  |  |  |  | | longple: ur missing the point! this is an attempt to get away from the bumhuntmentality! | Last edit: 25/05/2012 20:24 | 
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| |  |  |  | | its 3 handed vilain raise button (super wide range)flop come K57hh,
 vilain cbet that flop 100% of the time
 we have vilain covered
 we shove
 gettiing the pot right there fking huge amount of time...like
 a FKING huge amount of time
 
 
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                            |  | player999   Brasil. May 25 2012 22:45. Posts 7978 |  |  |  | | both pre and flop are bad | 
 |  | | Browsing through your hand histories makes me wonder that you might not be aware these games are possibly play money. Have you ever tried to cash out? - Kapol |  | 
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                            |  | jvilla777   Australia. May 25 2012 23:48. Posts 1348 |  |  |  | | 
 |  | On  May 25 2012 19:26  HeRoS)eNGagE wrote: its 3 handed vilain raise button (super wide range)
 flop come K57hh,
 vilain cbet that flop 100% of the time
 we have vilain covered
 we shove
 gettiing the pot right there fking huge amount of time...like
 a FKING huge amount of time
 
 
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 why not 3b pre? if villain has a SUPER WIIIIIIIIIIIDE RANGE.
 then we will be gettiing the pot right there fking huge amount of time...like
 a FKING huge amount of time.
 
 not saying its a bad play, but its just stupid.
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 |  | | longple: ur missing the point! this is an attempt to get away from the bumhuntmentality! |  | 
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| |  |  |  | | because hes gona shove us  because we have a super wide range? -.- | 
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                            |  | jvilla777   Australia. May 26 2012 03:09. Posts 1348 |  |  |  | | 
 |  | On  May 26 2012 01:54  HeRoS)eNGagE wrote: because hes gona shove us  because we have a super wide range? -.-
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 what? ur just trolling now
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 |  | | longple: ur missing the point! this is an attempt to get away from the bumhuntmentality! |  | 
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                            |  | wobbly_au   Australia. May 26 2012 03:56. Posts 6540 |  |  |  | | yea heros wtf???
 this is clearly horrible imo.
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| |  |  |  | | pre i think fold > shove > raise/call shove > call > raise/fold to shove
 am I mistaken or does villain (from Neillys perspective) have 14bb? I dont see how you can profitably defend that, but that's just me.
 
 I disagrew with Heros. If we raise, we won't get shoved light on because any raise commits us. I read Neilly saying somewhere that with 14bb (and it must be the same against 14bb) it's possible, but close, to raise/fold pf 1st in. So I can't believe it's profitable to 3bet/fold against 14bb. So I just shove there, instead of raising or calling. But definitely not with J7. I'd like to have some kind of blockers.
 
 as played: I prefer calling instead shoving, since it's a minbet. Our "draw", if you can call it that, is just horrible and will be dominated some of the time. I can understand why it might seem easier to shove, if you're afraid, that he takes a free card on the turn or that you'll get barelled, but basically it's just shoving and crossing you're finger that he doesn't have a hand (which is ok when you have a better draw than this)
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                            |  | RaiNKhAN    United States. May 26 2012 07:48. Posts 4080 |  |  |  |  |  | | The biggest Rockets, Sixers, and Grizzlies fan you will ever meet! |  | 
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                            |  | djforever   Canada. May 26 2012 11:15. Posts 1510 |  |  |  |  | 
 
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                            |  | NewbSaibot   United States. May 26 2012 13:01. Posts 4948 |  |  |  | | 
 |  | On  May 26 2012 01:54  HeRoS)eNGagE wrote: because hes gona shove us  because we have a super wide range? -.-
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 literally busted out laughing
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