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Handnr: 91354
Submitted by : Daut

PokerStars Game #6791436347: Hold'em No Limit ($3/$6) - 2006/10/27 - 17:01:41 (ET)
Table 'Sumida' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: dickiethekid ($333 in chips)
Seat 2: BarnDogWins ($820.25 in chips)
Seat 3: AlmostFamous ($324 in chips)
Seat 4: Daut44 ($627.45 in chips)
Seat 6: cmase86 ($469.80 in chips)
Seat 7: tracer3232 ($702.45 in chips)
Seat 8: jcamby33 ($976.60 in chips)
Seat 9: ChekDezNutz ($359.25 in chips)
Daut44: posts small blind $3
cmase86: posts big blind $6

Holecards
Dealt to Daut44 AcAd
tracer3232: folds
jcamby33: folds
ChekDezNutz has timed out
ChekDezNutz: folds
ChekDezNutz is sitting out
ChekDezNutz has returned
dickiethekid: calls $6
BarnDogWins: folds
AlmostFamous: folds
Daut44: raises $24 to $30
cmase86: calls $24
dickiethekid: calls $24

Flop (Pot : $90)

   KdJdTd
Daut44: bets $56
cmase86: calls $56
dickiethekid: folds

Turn (Pot : $202)

   KdJdTd3s
Daut44: checks
cmase86: bets $60
Daut44: calls $60

River (Pot : $322)

   KdJdTd3s9d
Daut44: checks
cmase86: checks

Showdown
Daut44: shows AcAd (a flush, Ace high)
cmase86: mucks hand
Daut44 collected $319 from pot

Summary
Total pot $322 | Rake $3
Board  KdJdTd3s9d
Seat 1: dickiethekid folded on the Flop
Seat 2: BarnDogWins folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: AlmostFamous (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Daut44 (small blind) showed AcAd and won ($319) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 6: cmase86 (big blind) mucked TcTs
Seat 7: tracer3232 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: jcamby33 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: ChekDezNutz folded before Flop (didn't bet)

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Daut    United States. Oct 27 2006 15:19. Posts 8955

Submitted by : Daut

PokerStars Game #6791436347: Hold'em No Limit ($3/$6) - 2006/10/27 - 17:01:41 (ET)
Table 'Sumida' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: dickiethekid ($333 in chips)
Seat 2: BarnDogWins ($820.25 in chips)
Seat 3: AlmostFamous ($324 in chips)
Seat 4: Daut44 ($627.45 in chips)
Seat 6: cmase86 ($469.80 in chips)
Seat 7: tracer3232 ($702.45 in chips)
Seat 8: jcamby33 ($976.60 in chips)
Seat 9: ChekDezNutz ($359.25 in chips)
Daut44: posts small blind $3
cmase86: posts big blind $6

Holecards
Dealt to Daut44 AcAd
tracer3232: folds
jcamby33: folds
ChekDezNutz has timed out
ChekDezNutz: folds
ChekDezNutz is sitting out
ChekDezNutz has returned
dickiethekid: calls $6
BarnDogWins: folds
AlmostFamous: folds
Daut44: raises $24 to $30
cmase86: calls $24
dickiethekid: calls $24

Flop (Pot : $90)

   KdJdTd
Daut44: bets $56
cmase86: calls $56
dickiethekid: folds

Turn (Pot : $202)

   KdJdTd3s
Daut44: checks
cmase86: bets $60
Daut44: calls $60

River (Pot : $322)

   KdJdTd3s9d
Daut44: checks
cmase86: checks

Showdown
Daut44: shows AcAd (a flush, Ace high)
cmase86: mucks hand
Daut44 collected $319 from pot

Summary
Total pot $322 | Rake $3
Board  KdJdTd3s9d
Seat 1: dickiethekid folded on the Flop
Seat 2: BarnDogWins folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: AlmostFamous (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Daut44 (small blind) showed AcAd and won ($319) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 6: cmase86 (big blind) mucked TcTs
Seat 7: tracer3232 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: jcamby33 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: ChekDezNutz folded before Flop (didn't bet)

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NewbSaibot: 18 TIMES THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Because FUCK YOU, Daut 

Baalim   Mexico. Oct 27 2006 15:16. Posts 34246

shouldnt you play this faster?

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KingKory   United States. Oct 27 2006 15:21. Posts 2083

I can understand your play on all streets except the river.

I mean, pretty much any diamond has to call a decent bet. You could also get some money off a naked Q. And I don't see anyone firing into that river card.


Daut    United States. Oct 27 2006 15:23. Posts 8955

questions arent pertaining to what happened so much as speculatives
1. if you had TT in position how do you play the flop?
2. say he raises on the flop, should i shove?
3. say you have TT, raise the flop, get shoved on, do you call?
4. how do you play AA on the turn if he best 250?

NewbSaibot: 18 TIMES THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Because FUCK YOU, Daut 

Daut    United States. Oct 27 2006 15:28. Posts 8955

and btw to answer kory and baal the only mistake i made on this hand was betting too small on the flop. i didnt see the other guy call and just typed in 56 assuming it was a 63 pot. should have bet harder. i think checking the turn is fine and checking the river is the only play.


i mean think about what youre saying kory, you dont see anyone bluffing the river in position, but you see people calling with a queen or rag diamond when someone OUT OF POSITION is possibly bluffing it? i mean come on, im not getting any value and im just spewing vs the SF which is well within his range

NewbSaibot: 18 TIMES THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Because FUCK YOU, DautLast edit: 27/10/2006 15:32

Baalim   Mexico. Oct 27 2006 15:55. Posts 34246

the thing no turn is... what do you do if he pots it?

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TalentedTom    Canada. Oct 27 2006 16:28. Posts 20070

brb - going to puke

Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light not our darkness that most frightens us and as we let our own lights shine we unconsciously give other people permision to do the same 

TalentedTom    Canada. Oct 27 2006 16:28. Posts 20070

I know what I would do here. :D

Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light not our darkness that most frightens us and as we let our own lights shine we unconsciously give other people permision to do the same 

KingKory   United States. Oct 27 2006 16:30. Posts 2083

1. if you had TT in position how do you play the flop?

A raise out of the SB with one limper in front? I think we'd be able to narrow your hands down a bit.

I also don't think I could flat your flop bet; I'd have to see where I was at in the hand. That said, pretty much every hand in your range got a piece of that flop, and I'd be opening myself up to a 3-bet from Qd*, AK, et cetera, and I'm not sure how much pressure my bottom set could stand for.

Hmm, I guess I could understand his slowing down from that aspect.

2. say he raises on the flop, should i shove?"

If he makes it $150 on the flop, he'll have ~$290 behind; approx. a PSB. I like a push here. If you're playing against a straight/set/minflush (and you may have some FE against some of those hands), you have some decent odds on your money before the turn.

3. say you have TT, raise the flop, get shoved on, do you call?

I sort of mentioned that in #1...hmm...

I guess it'd depend on how aggressive you'd been out of the blinds for the last few orbits...if I saw you splashing around in the last few orbits, I'd probably look you up.

4. how do you play AA on the turn if he best 250?

Well, he'd only have ~$110 behind after that bet, so he's really betting $360.

I think we can release our aces at this point; we have less than 15BB's in the middle.


Baalim   Mexico. Oct 27 2006 16:32. Posts 34246

i think im with tom on this one o_o, this seems weak.

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wolfheart   Estonia. Oct 27 2006 16:35. Posts 7592

inside royal draw :D

Never give up. 

KingKory   United States. Oct 27 2006 16:41. Posts 2083


  On October 27 2006 14:28 BigBalls wrote:
i mean think about what youre saying kory, you dont see anyone bluffing the river in position, but you see people calling with a queen or rag diamond when someone OUT OF POSITION is possibly bluffing it? i mean come on, im not getting any value and im just spewing vs the SF which is well within his range


I don't know man, you proceeded carefully throughout the hand; the pot's small, there really isn't much to give up if he decides to shove it.

And we're bankin' on the fact that he's holding the Qd.

If I'm holding a queen, or a diamond here -- any diamond -- with the way the action has played out, I'm calling a $190 bet on the end. I mean, 8d is the 3rd nuts!

EDIT: Well, maybe not, but he plays short-stacked so you never know!

 Last edit: 27/10/2006 16:46

Eerik   Estonia. Oct 29 2006 12:52. Posts 1307

Qd is the nuts here kory-_-
straight flush.

hm. 

TwistedEcho    United Kingdom. Oct 29 2006 13:40. Posts 3539

Obv pot the flop. But you already said this

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Ket    United Kingdom. Oct 29 2006 14:02. Posts 8665

i like a 100$ bet on the river to make some ppl call with bluffcatchers because they get such good odds and are too stubborn to fold, that way u can also talk yourself into calling when they raise because you "might have induced a bluff" with the homosexuality of your < 1/3pot bet


Nazgul    Netherlands. Oct 29 2006 14:54. Posts 7080

I don't see any diamond that he can have that doesn't beat you. I could understand if he had a low diamond + pair that he would call with a flush draw but it seems doubtful that he he is playing T8o, J8o, K8o. So i think you are doing good checking the river to induce a bluff.

Flop play however I think is really bad I am taking this hand definitely to war on flop if I get the opportunity. I bet something around 74-84. Turn play is quite difficult though if he flat calls you on the flop. I guess I will often take the safe road and check. Possibly check pushing, possibly check calling.

You almost twin-caracked his AK - JonnyCosmo 

 

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