Player4 $108.30 USD - VPIP: 22, PFR: 17, 3B: 8, AF: 1.6, Hands: 1560

what's the weakest hand u would call me with?

in his position?

i dont think he's weak at all.maybe he's getting fancy with a big draw but I doubt it. in his position i would call with AQ i think, doesnt really make sense for villian to shove if he has the nuts.

i don't think this is a board he expects you to cbet light, therefore i don't expect him to c/r u all that light either

i can't explain the reasoning why but i would expect most sets and two pairs to c/r the flop, but would also expect in those rare cases where one does slow play in villains shoes to be slow playing 2 pairs rather than sets.

obviously he can flat the nut straight with redraws as well and c/r the turn.

but as stated earlier, i don't think villain percieves u to be light on this flop when u cbet, and therefore don't expect him to be c/r u light either.

On June 09 2011 17:23 gororokgororok wrote: in his position?

yes

he would 3bet JJ/QQ/AA preflop and AQ the majority of the time too.

Submitted by : the cleaner

PokerStars Game #63155750350: Holdem No Limit ($0.50/$1.00 USD) - 2011/06/09 18:12:24 ET
Table Zelia V 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: TRONO9 ($74.20 in chips)
Seat 2: 17KtMd8604 ($100 in chips)
Seat 3: the clêaner ($100 in chips)
Seat 4: Lastan ($108.30 in chips)
Seat 5: elfeggg ($125.90 in chips)
Seat 6: SE003 ($101.50 in chips)
Lastan: posts small blind $0.50
elfeggg: posts big blind $1

Holecards
Dealt to the clêaner
SE003: folds
TRONO9: folds
17KtMd8604: folds
the clêaner: raises $1.50 to $2.50
Lastan: calls $2
elfeggg: folds

Flop (Pot : $6.00)

   
Lastan: checks
the clêaner: bets $4.30
Lastan: calls $4.30

Turn (Pot : $14.60)

   
Lastan: checks
the clêaner: bets $10.55
Lastan: raises $25.45 to $36
the clêaner: raises $57.20 to $93.20

I expect AQ to raise flop, so this looks like 9Ts or him getting fancy with strong draws. The c/raise on this turn is esp strong since you're double barreling represents a very strong range. That being said, I think your shove is always getting called here by a strong hand. But you never know what the crazies do in bvb so I don't really mind your shove. my 2c.

yea i agree that he will call my shove with his strong hands. i just thought he didn't have to many strong hands in his range. T9s and maybe KT that decided to flat the flop, but i have a blocker too. but i think you guys are probably right and taking a free card is the better play in the long run. the think i hate about it is that if we just call turn we are basically telling him what type of hand we have and have to give up on river, and might not get paid off if a club or T hits.

On June 09 2011 19:47 the cleaner wrote: yea i agree that he will call my shove with his strong hands. i just thought he didn't have to many strong hands in his range. T9s and maybe KT that decided to flat the flop, but i have a blocker too. but i think you guys are probably right and taking a free card is the better play in the long run. the think i hate about it is that if we just call turn we are basically telling him what type of hand we have and have to give up on river, and might not get paid off if a club or T hits.

You can check it back TPWK or KQ QT as well , theres still a lot of combos you can check in position and pot control the size
even the flush hit i think villain still check/call a lot his strong range bcuz in villain's shoes many river cards you can bluff with ofc include flush
i am not saying 2-barral this board and get it in is a missplay , but i either dont think when villain chk/call the flop he would fold the turn 8 too often

i don't play anymore but isn't this like pure gambling? this is the last situation i would ever expect villain to be light/bluffing. like i said i could be wrong but i would rather open-shove flop than do this.

well it seems like gambling vs his hand. at the moment the hand played out i wrongly assumed that my combined equity and FE was enough to make this +EV. my mistake was to think that he had more bluffs/semibluffs/spazzes and less legitimate hands in his range.