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Handnr: 53738
Submitted by : Daut

PokerStars Game #5689017962: Hold'em No Limit ($5/$10) - 2006/07/26 - 14:20:31 (ET)
Table 'Giacobini' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: dlkred ($1228 in chips)
Seat 2: 662717 ($1103.75 in chips)
Seat 3: wiklund ($1597.50 in chips)
Seat 4: Daut44 ($1896.50 in chips)
Seat 5: haakee ($1079 in chips)
Seat 7: Coolhand5599 ($982.25 in chips)
Seat 8: nechitacc ($1000 in chips)
Seat 9: vgundam81 ($302.50 in chips)
Coolhand5599: posts small blind $5
nechitacc: posts big blind $10

Holecards
Dealt to Daut44 JsQs
vgundam81: folds
dlkred: folds
662717: calls $10
wiklund: folds
Daut44: calls $10
haakee: calls $10
Coolhand5599: folds
nechitacc: checks

Flop (Pot : $45)

   3sQc8s
nechitacc: checks
662717: bets $35
Daut44: calls $35
haakee: folds
nechitacc: folds

Turn (Pot : $115)

   3sQc8sQd
662717: bets $100
Daut44: calls $100

River (Pot : $315)

   3sQc8sQd5h
662717: bets $350
Daut44: folds
662717 collected $312 from pot

Summary
Total pot $315 | Rake $3
Board  3sQc8sQd5h
Seat 1: dlkred folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: 662717 collected ($312)
Seat 3: wiklund folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Daut44 folded on the River
Seat 5: haakee (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 7: Coolhand5599 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: nechitacc (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 9: vgundam81 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

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PoorUser    United States. Jul 26 2006 12:29. Posts 7402

good fold
this is probably a good fold
probably

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P1mpdaddy   Austria. Jul 26 2006 12:29. Posts 1368

whats your read there? set? if so why call the turn bet?

r0cking your s0x 

SakiSaki    Sweden. Jul 26 2006 12:29. Posts 9685

what did u put him on?

what wackass site is this nigga?  

Loco   Canada. Jul 26 2006 12:30. Posts 20012

woah..

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nomanirvana   United States. Jul 26 2006 12:32. Posts 2523

If you are gonna fold to a blank on the river why call a potsize bet on the turn when the board is paired? Do you have implied odds against AQ/KQ?

12 outs against AQ/KQ and 3 outs against a set.

 Last edit: 26/07/2006 12:36

straate   Argentina. Jul 26 2006 12:38. Posts 2837

way more than 3 outs vs a set

silverfox971: if this was a live game i would spit on you 

Daut    United States. Jul 26 2006 12:40. Posts 8897

cause i have position on him and if a J comes in stacking a set 100%
he may slow down too
if flush comes AQ KQ slow down as well

NewbSaibot: 18 TIMES THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Because FUCK YOU, Daut 

nomanirvana   United States. Jul 26 2006 12:41. Posts 2523


  On July 26 2006 11:38 straate wrote:
way more than 3 outs vs a set



Not on the turn...4 outs I guess w/Q. If the 8 or 3 pairs then maybe but that could also be quads for the set..


nomanirvana   United States. Jul 26 2006 12:43. Posts 2523


  On July 26 2006 11:40 BigBalls wrote:
cause i have position on him and if a J comes in stacking a set 100%
he may slow down too
if flush comes AQ KQ slow down as well



Yeah but your calling a potsize bet for 3 or 4 outs? I dont think you have implied odds even if you can stack the set. I guess its about break even since you have a 10% chance to improve vs set (roughly) and about 950 to win or so.

Thats my point, if the flush comes you dont really get much more value from AQ/KQ and you have a difficult situation if the spade comes against a set.

 Last edit: 26/07/2006 12:45

Daut    United States. Jul 26 2006 12:47. Posts 8897

uh if an 8 comes and he has 333 i win
i have more than 4 outs vs a set
and he doesnt have a set every time here
there are situations where a river flush comes and he slows down, or he has AQ KQ QJ and checks river fearing me having a full or something else
there is a lot to account here and pot odds arent everything

NewbSaibot: 18 TIMES THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Because FUCK YOU, Daut 

straate   Argentina. Jul 26 2006 12:49. Posts 2837

nomanirvana, you can't put him on both 333 and 888...liek i said, way more than 3 outs, and YES, on turn

silverfox971: if this was a live game i would spit on you 

nomanirvana   United States. Jul 26 2006 12:52. Posts 2523


  On July 26 2006 11:47 BigBalls wrote:
uh if an 8 comes and he has 333 i win
i have more than 4 outs vs a set
and he doesnt have a set every time here
there are situations where a river flush comes and he slows down, or he has AQ KQ QJ and checks river fearing me having a full or something else
there is a lot to account here and pot odds arent everything



Yeah, 3 extra outs for the board pairing that could give him Quads. What do you do if the spade comes or board pairs and he fires $350?

But I think you stack the set only if Q/J comes because he will easily put you on a Queen, if the board pairs you may have the best hand but he will know it and shutdown. Same if the flush comes and he has AQ/KQ.

 Last edit: 26/07/2006 12:54

JonnyCosMo   United States. Jul 26 2006 12:52. Posts 7292

Lets all give BigBalls a hard time about folding! :-P

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nomanirvana   United States. Jul 26 2006 12:53. Posts 2523


  On July 26 2006 11:49 straate wrote:
nomanirvana, you can't put him on both 333 and 888...liek i said, way more than 3 outs, and YES, on turn



I know, but he knows you have a Q and you dont know which set he has...if the board pairs he is in total control and you are left in the dark.

 Last edit: 26/07/2006 12:53

Daut    United States. Jul 26 2006 12:55. Posts 8897

so what
HE DOESNT HAVE A SET EVERY TIME
if he fires 350 and a flush comes im probably folding
im calling 100 to win 950 more when a J comes EVERY TIME HE HAS A SET
if he has AQ KQ and a flush comes i win and these hands are pretty damn likely
if another Q comes and he has 888, he will probably call some value on the end
are you honestly telling me youre folding this turn? lol

NewbSaibot: 18 TIMES THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Because FUCK YOU, Daut 

straate   Argentina. Jul 26 2006 12:58. Posts 2837


  On July 26 2006 11:55 BigBalls wrote:
so what
HE DOESNT HAVE A SET EVERY TIME
if he fires 350 and a flush comes im probably folding
im calling 100 to win 950 more when a J comes EVERY TIME HE HAS A SET
if he has AQ KQ and a flush comes i win and these hands are pretty damn likely
if another Q comes and he has 888, he will probably call some value on the end
are you honestly telling me youre folding this turn? lol



i couldn't agree more

silverfox971: if this was a live game i would spit on you 

nomanirvana   United States. Jul 26 2006 13:01. Posts 2523


  On July 26 2006 11:55 BigBalls wrote:
so what
HE DOESNT HAVE A SET EVERY TIME
if he fires 350 and a flush comes im probably folding
im calling 100 to win 950 more when a J comes EVERY TIME HE HAS A SET
if he has AQ KQ and a flush comes i win and these hands are pretty damn likely
if another Q comes and he has 888, he will probably call some value on the end
are you honestly telling me youre folding this turn? lol



I wouldn't fold the turn, im just thinking its EV neutral to call the turn at best and w/ many difficult situations on the river. Its not about whether he has a set everytime or not, I just mean that when he does he has complete control over the situation and you are calling the potsize bet with 3 outs to stack him, I dont think you can stack him with anything but the J. $100 to win $950 when you stack him (and like 7-8% chance to hit the J), and like $250 when you improve and he shuts down, maybe you get minor value from AQ/KQ when you hit the flush, I dunno.

Do you think he has either a set or Q w/higher kicker everytime?

Im not arguing against your play im just analyzing the situation. Seems like you are folding almost any river that he frontbets except for a J.
If he quads up will he let you know or just fire out and you have to call either for a split or cuz you made a higher boat?

 Last edit: 26/07/2006 13:20

 

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