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Handnr: 1088526
Submitted by : Stroggoz

PokerStars Hand #205906775030: Holdem No Limit ($2.50/$5.00 USD) - 2019/11/06 16:57:48 ET
Table Mavis II 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: brat1805 ($261.33 in chips)
Seat 2: z4muz ($1112.77 in chips)
Seat 3: MissOracle ($1289.68 in chips)
Seat 4: hua2baba ($597.22 in chips)
Seat 5: monkaSSSS ($744.16 in chips)
Seat 6: Stroggos_nz ($505 in chips)
monkaSSSS: posts small blind $2.50
Stroggos_nz: posts big blind $5

Holecards
Dealt to Stroggos_nz 8cKc
brat1805 has timed out
brat1805: folds
z4muz: folds
MissOracle: folds
hua2baba: folds
monkaSSSS: raises $70.50 to $75.50
Stroggos_nz: raises $429.50 to $505 and is all-in
monkaSSSS: folds
Uncalled bet ($429.50) returned to Stroggos_nz
Stroggos_nz collected $151 from pot
Stroggos_nz: shows 8cKc (high card King)

Summary
Total pot $151 | Rake $0
Seat 1: brat1805 folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 2: z4muz folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 3: MissOracle folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 4: hua2baba (button) folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 5: monkaSSSS (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: Stroggos_nz (big blind) collected ($151)

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Baalim   Mexico. Nov 07 2019 09:10. Posts 33066

wtf

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fira   United States. Nov 07 2019 16:07. Posts 6340

this seems unnecessary o.oa


Santafairy   Korea (South). Nov 07 2019 17:11. Posts 1561

note to self fira has no 3b jam bluffs over a 15x open

It seems to be not very profitable in the long run to play those kind of hands. - Gus Hansen 

LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Nov 07 2019 22:31. Posts 14870

Cmon guys
assume a missclick
=> 6.6x SB deep with normal range
=> Easy jam
basic SnG stuff

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Blitzkrieg0   United States. Nov 07 2019 23:53. Posts 31


  On November 07 2019 21:31 LemOn[5thF] wrote:
Cmon guys
assume a missclick
=> 6.6x SB deep with normal range
=> Easy jam
basic SnG stuff



What's your reaction time with this though. You've got to instantly jam to take advantage of the mistake right?


Stroggoz   New Zealand. Nov 08 2019 00:43. Posts 4472


  On November 07 2019 15:07 fira wrote:
this seems unnecessary o.oa



unnecessary to make +ev plays?

supposed to have greenstar not bracelet 

Stroggoz   New Zealand. Nov 08 2019 06:34. Posts 4472

i mean i made a theoretically solid play here imo, since my theory incorporates missclicks into it and this is some sort of missclick almost always although i wasnt sure how he got that sizing. was a pretty quick jam, about 3 seconds thought went into it.

supposed to have greenstar not bracelet 

LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Nov 08 2019 11:15. Posts 14870

Very first thing when you posted is I looked at my numbad trying to figure out how he'd missclick that lol

Must be a tableninja or script thing

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LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Nov 08 2019 11:15. Posts 14870

*numpad

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Blitzkrieg0   United States. Nov 08 2019 17:41. Posts 31

Isn't it just 7.50 and he hit the 5 an extra time?


Nitewin   United States. Nov 08 2019 18:20. Posts 1138

7.50 is an invalid bet.


Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Nov 09 2019 00:11. Posts 8863

I'm trying to think of him reasonably mistyping, even w macros - prob just miss clicked tho

If the dude is a reg and never does this its a cool shove


fira   United States. Nov 09 2019 04:19. Posts 6340

or maybe he was trying to make u think that he misclicked and did this intentionally with AK knowing u'd jam lite

OR MAYBE HE DID ACTUALLY MISCLICK BUT HAD AK ANYWAY.

ITS RETARDED I MEAN YOU GOT ONE B EFFING B IN THE POT AND UR GONNA PUT 99 MORE IN WITH K8S


  On November 07 2019 16:11 Santafairy wrote:
note to self fira has no 3b jam bluffs over a 15x open


OMFG MY ACHILLES HEEL. I'D BE GTO IF IT WEREN'T FOR THIS


Santafairy   Korea (South). Nov 09 2019 07:41. Posts 1561

fira relax

if he's inducing to call a jam with his monsters. we still need some jams to fold out his misclicks that we're far ahead of. because a lot of our range that has equity is going to continue and play later streets. we'd ideally like to narrow his range because he can do this with broadway connectors or PPs or anything and we don't know where we are on later streets. BUT 3betting a smaller size looks way too strong because of stacks, he can't call only fold or shove. and we obviously don't want him jamming into our K8. so we're going to want to fold our shitty hands plus have some of them be bluffs. also think about blockers. we have the king of clubs, so he can't have AK of clubs. yeah we have 1 blind in the pot but he put 15 free ones in. those are great odds imo.

some people I've seen have a 10x open range from early position but idk blind vs bilnd

It seems to be not very profitable in the long run to play those kind of hands. - Gus Hansen 

fira   United States. Nov 09 2019 10:14. Posts 6340

shit that's true he's still gonna have a lot of weak misclick bluffs if he's playing intelligently/balanced. perhaps we do need to devise a more sophisticated strategy so that we aren't getting too exploited by these aggressive misclicks. also he might even misclick again... this guy is clearly not very good with his computer controls (maybe he's playing on a phone, or perhaps has a malfunctioning prosthetic arm?), and if he misclicks call when we jam then our K8s may actually turn out to be the best hand. SHIET

i dunno about a small 3bet it does look very strong, though it might make him find a crying call with his misclicks? and then he may balance his misclick range with his monster range and flat with those as well. which we may want since we block AK clubs, needless to say the best AK since it's suited and clubs are generally the luckiest suit (there are statistically significant statistics to verify this, just ask WCGRider). anyway if he does jam to a small 3bet it might also be another misclick, but i'd say the chance of him double or triple misclicking goes down moderately with each subsequent misclick, although it's also possible that the tilt of misclicking the first time causes his chance of misclicking to increase. it's really hard to say, definitely opponent-dependent. *nods*...

oh right the 15 free blinds, i forgot about those... yeah that's hard to argue with. incredible odds, true. literally FREE odds. that's like two-thirds and a half times better than freerolling because you can also win your 1 blind back, which would surely have been lost in the frays of fiery competition had the odds not been so free.

yeah i may have to rethink my entire poker strategem now...

(also i've not seen the 10x open from EP in a while now, thought that died out months ago. i do still see the 100x open from hijack and occasionally cutoff, but i have a feeling those guys have some fancyplay syndrome going on. who knows only time will tell)


LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Nov 09 2019 11:44. Posts 14870

lol
let it go Fira
you're wrong
you'll just drive yourself crazy haha

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Stroggoz   New Zealand. Nov 09 2019 11:50. Posts 4472

If he was pretending to missclick he would have made a size that made sense, like 10x his normal size, where at least i can see his decimal place is wrong. I've never seen anyone do a intentional missclick here so it's very rare.

supposed to have greenstar not bracelet 

Santafairy   Korea (South). Nov 09 2019 11:56. Posts 1561

now you're just making fun fira

you act like he has no misclick range but that's not in the evidence. look at hh he folded. maybe this nl500 stuff is just beyond you that's fine

It seems to be not very profitable in the long run to play those kind of hands. - Gus Hansen 

LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Nov 09 2019 12:04. Posts 14870

He's just trolling got us good :D

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Santafairy   Korea (South). Nov 09 2019 17:39. Posts 1561

a misclick 15x open is a much higher percentage of that guy's hands, than a misclicked 2.5x open. people all the time open 92o for 2.5x by accident when they meant to fold but raised at the wrong table, but it's statistically noise because you're playing tons of hands. even people who open 15x can't do it profitably with a large percentage of hands. therefore it actually becomes important to know what to do in these spots and if you don't have a strategy besides folding your big blind as usual like a pushover you are going to miss value

It seems to be not very profitable in the long run to play those kind of hands. - Gus Hansen 

fira   United States. Nov 09 2019 20:33. Posts 6340

THIS THREAD IS THE REAL TROLL I'M JUST TRYING TO EARN AN HONEST ATTENDANCE


  On November 09 2019 10:56 Santafairy wrote:
maybe this nl500 stuff is just beyond you that's fine


but seriously though, this. there's not a lot of misclick-meta at lower stakes so i'm not familiar with the established body of work regarding the topic. can anyone recommend some basic books that talk about the general precepts so i can better familiarize myself before diving into deeper treatises? i'm going for a total upheaval of what i think i know about misclick strategy.


LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Nov 10 2019 03:29. Posts 14870

Please son stop
Leave the real trolling to professionals



p.s. Yes I'm drunk :D

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