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Handnr: 1081987
Submitted by : longple

PokerStars Hand #188339648552: Holdem No Limit ($5/$10 USD) - 2018/07/04 5:31:20 ET
Table Hudrus II 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: oSpiel888 ($1046.28 in chips)
Seat 2: longple ($1005.32 in chips)
Seat 6: GODofHU ($1000 in chips)
oSpiel888: posts small blind $5
longple: posts big blind $10
oSpiel888: posts the ante $2
longple: posts the ante $2
GODofHU: posts the ante $2

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to longple QcTc
GODofHU: folds
oSpiel888: calls $5
longple: raises $25 to $35
oSpiel888: calls $25

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $70.00)

   Jd5s4c
oSpiel888: checks
longple: bets $18.63
oSpiel888: calls $18.63

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $107.26)

   Jd5s4cAd
oSpiel888: checks
longple: bets $167.64
oSpiel888: calls $167.64

River (Pot : $442.54)

   Jd5s4cAdTs
oSpiel888: checks
longple: bets $782.05 and is all-in
oSpiel888: calls $782.05

Showdown
longple: shows QcTc (a pair of Tens)
oSpiel888: shows AsTd (two pair, Aces and Tens)
oSpiel888 collected $2011.14 from pot

Summary
Total pot $2012.64 | Rake $1.50
Board  Jd5s4cAdTs
Seat 1: oSpiel888 (small blind) showed AsTd and won ($2011.14) with two pair, Aces and Tens
Seat 2: longple (big blind) showed QcTc and lost with a pair of Tens
Seat 6: GODofHU (button) folded before Flop (didnt bet)

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longple    Sweden. Jul 05 2018 11:06. Posts 4463

I like it more if it was K54 flop A, especially BBvBU, SBvBB limp/called pot not so sure, not clear at all about what I think of this.

Probably pushing it a bit to hard, but I think I like both either going small bet (bit wider) or polerizeing quite hard with tons of checking+sizeing up.

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Stroggoz   New Zealand. Jul 05 2018 11:24. Posts 4217

I would go polar and very big on turn and river, the Ten doesn't really help them that much, potentially they have JT, and they have all the AT, 5Tdd/4Tdd are cancelled out preflop. perhaps they have KQ, they ought to imo. but then because of your small flop bet they have a lot of weaker Ax, which means you should probably still be jamming river hands like AQ. the QT hand you can use it for showdown value or blocker jamming value on river. the solver im guessing will mix in a small amount of overbets with mostly checks. but that's a wild guess. Keen to see results

I don't have too much experience in limp-raised pots like this, though.

I was GTO in 2007 -wobbly_auLast edit: 05/07/2018 11:26

longple    Sweden. Jul 05 2018 11:25. Posts 4463

Thanks, good stuff again, Im with you! Gonna plug it into PIO, not knowing what his SBranges are really but just to simulate something, to see if this is used at all even. Curious!

 Last edit: 05/07/2018 11:26

Stroggoz   New Zealand. Jul 05 2018 11:47. Posts 4217

if it helps i've simmed for 2.5x/limp on SB:


This is what sb defends vs raise to 35 vs limp :

Kc3c: 0.994644284,
Kd3d: 0.994644284,
Kh3h: 0.994644284,
Ks3s: 0.994644284,
3d3c: 0.993637204,
3h3c: 0.993637204,
3h3d: 0.993637204,
3s3c: 0.993637204,
3s3d: 0.993637204,
3s3h: 0.993637204,
Qc6c: 0.991363645,
Qd6d: 0.991363645,
Qh6h: 0.991363645,
Qs6s: 0.991363645,
Kc2c: 0.985015988,
Kd2d: 0.985015988,
Kh2h: 0.985015988,
Ks2s: 0.985015988,
Ac8d: 0.983551145,
Ac8h: 0.983551145,
Ac8s: 0.983551145,
Ad8c: 0.983551145,
Ad8h: 0.983551145,
Ad8s: 0.983551145,
Ah8c: 0.983551145,
Ah8d: 0.983551145,
Ah8s: 0.983551145,
As8c: 0.983551145,
As8d: 0.983551145,
As8h: 0.983551145,
Qc2c: 0.983184934,
Qd2d: 0.983184934,
Qh2h: 0.983184934,
Qs2s: 0.983184934,
Ac7d: 0.980880857,
Ac7h: 0.980880857,
Ac7s: 0.980880857,
Ad7c: 0.980880857,
Ad7h: 0.980880857,
Ad7s: 0.980880857,
Ah7c: 0.980880857,
Ah7d: 0.980880857,
Ah7s: 0.980880857,
As7c: 0.980880857,
As7d: 0.980880857,
As7h: 0.980880857,
Ac2c: 0.973877072,
Ad2d: 0.973877072,
Ah2h: 0.973877072,
As2s: 0.973877072,
Ac6c: 0.968658566,
Ad6d: 0.968658566,
Ah6h: 0.968658566,
As6s: 0.968658566,
4d4c: 0.963012815,
4h4c: 0.963012815,
4h4d: 0.963012815,
4s4c: 0.963012815,
4s4d: 0.963012815,
4s4h: 0.963012815,
Qc5c: 0.959930539,
Qd5d: 0.959930539,
Qh5h: 0.959930539,
Qs5s: 0.959930539,
Jc9d: 0.959533811,
Jc9h: 0.959533811,
Jc9s: 0.959533811,
Jd9c: 0.959533811,
Jd9h: 0.959533811,
Jd9s: 0.959533811,
Jh9c: 0.959533811,
Jh9d: 0.959533811,
Jh9s: 0.959533811,
Js9c: 0.959533811,
Js9d: 0.959533811,
Js9h: 0.959533811,
Ac9d: 0.957214475,
Ac9h: 0.957214475,
Ac9s: 0.957214475,
Ad9c: 0.957214475,
Ad9h: 0.957214475,
Ad9s: 0.957214475,
Ah9c: 0.957214475,
Ah9d: 0.957214475,
Ah9s: 0.957214475,
As9c: 0.957214475,
As9d: 0.957214475,
As9h: 0.957214475,
8c5c: 0.9536134,
8d5d: 0.9536134,
8h5h: 0.9536134,
8s5s: 0.9536134,
Qc9d: 0.950409055,
Qc9h: 0.950409055,
Qc9s: 0.950409055,
Qd9c: 0.950409055,
Qd9h: 0.950409055,
Qd9s: 0.950409055,
Qh9c: 0.950409055,
Qh9d: 0.950409055,
Qh9s: 0.950409055,
Qs9c: 0.950409055,
Qs9d: 0.950409055,
Qs9h: 0.950409055,
2d2c: 0.94668591,
2h2c: 0.94668591,
2h2d: 0.94668591,
2s2c: 0.94668591,
2s2d: 0.94668591,
2s2h: 0.94668591,
Kc4c: 0.942627072,
Kd4d: 0.942627072,
Kh4h: 0.942627072,
Ks4s: 0.942627072,
Jc3c: 0.942230344,
Jd3d: 0.942230344,
Jh3h: 0.942230344,
Js3s: 0.942230344,
7c5c: 0.938140988,
7d5d: 0.938140988,
7h5h: 0.938140988,
7s5s: 0.938140988,
Kc6c: 0.937500119,
Kd6d: 0.937500119,
Kh6h: 0.937500119,
Ks6s: 0.937500119,
Jc7c: 0.934753537,
Jd7d: 0.934753537,
Jh7h: 0.934753537,
Js7s: 0.934753537,
Ac4c: 0.933410764,
Ad4d: 0.933410764,
Ah4h: 0.933410764,
As4s: 0.933410764,
QcTd: 0.930481076,
QcTh: 0.930481076,
QcTs: 0.930481076,
QdTc: 0.930481076,
QdTh: 0.930481076,
QdTs: 0.930481076,
QhTc: 0.930481076,
QhTd: 0.930481076,
QhTs: 0.930481076,
QsTc: 0.930481076,
QsTd: 0.930481076,
QsTh: 0.930481076,
Kc9d: 0.929199338,
Kc9h: 0.929199338,
Kc9s: 0.929199338,
Kd9c: 0.929199338,
Kd9h: 0.929199338,
Kd9s: 0.929199338,
Kh9c: 0.929199338,
Kh9d: 0.929199338,
Kh9s: 0.929199338,
Ks9c: 0.929199338,
Ks9d: 0.929199338,
Ks9h: 0.929199338,
6d6c: 0.92401135,
6h6c: 0.92401135,
6h6d: 0.92401135,
6s6c: 0.92401135,
6s6d: 0.92401135,
6s6h: 0.92401135,
8c7d: 0.918884397,
8c7h: 0.918884397,
8c7s: 0.918884397,
8d7c: 0.918884397,
8d7h: 0.918884397,
8d7s: 0.918884397,
8h7c: 0.918884397,
8h7d: 0.918884397,
8h7s: 0.918884397,
8s7c: 0.918884397,
8s7d: 0.918884397,
8s7h: 0.918884397,
Tc9d: 0.917114377,
Tc9h: 0.917114377,
Tc9s: 0.917114377,
Td9c: 0.917114377,
Td9h: 0.917114377,
Td9s: 0.917114377,
Th9c: 0.917114377,
Th9d: 0.917114377,
Th9s: 0.917114377,
Ts9c: 0.917114377,
Ts9d: 0.917114377,
Ts9h: 0.917114377,
Tc6c: 0.914734006,
Td6d: 0.914734006,
Th6h: 0.914734006,
Ts6s: 0.914734006,
5d5c: 0.905883908,
5h5c: 0.905883908,
5h5d: 0.905883908,
5s5c: 0.905883908,
5s5d: 0.905883908,
5s5h: 0.905883908,
KcTd: 0.897033811,
KcTh: 0.897033811,
KcTs: 0.897033811,
KdTc: 0.897033811,
KdTh: 0.897033811,
KdTs: 0.897033811,
KhTc: 0.897033811,
KhTd: 0.897033811,
KhTs: 0.897033811,
KsTc: 0.897033811,
KsTd: 0.897033811,
KsTh: 0.897033811,
Kc7c: 0.89691174,
Kd7d: 0.89691174,
Kh7h: 0.89691174,
Ks7s: 0.89691174,
Tc7c: 0.896362424,
Td7d: 0.896362424,
Th7h: 0.896362424,
Ts7s: 0.896362424,
7c6c: 0.894470334,
7d6d: 0.894470334,
7h6h: 0.894470334,
7s6s: 0.894470334,
Qc7c: 0.892150998,
Qd7d: 0.892150998,
Qh7h: 0.892150998,
Qs7s: 0.892150998,
Kc8d: 0.891174436,
Kc8h: 0.891174436,
Kc8s: 0.891174436,
Kd8c: 0.891174436,
Kd8h: 0.891174436,
Kd8s: 0.891174436,
Kh8c: 0.891174436,
Kh8d: 0.891174436,
Kh8s: 0.891174436,
Ks8c: 0.891174436,
Ks8d: 0.891174436,
Ks8h: 0.891174436,
Qc8c: 0.8754884,
Qd8d: 0.8754884,
Qh8h: 0.8754884,
Qs8s: 0.8754884,
5c3c: 0.873413205,
5d3d: 0.873413205,
5h3h: 0.873413205,
5s3s: 0.873413205,
KcJd: 0.870605588,
KcJh: 0.870605588,
KcJs: 0.870605588,
KdJc: 0.870605588,
KdJh: 0.870605588,
KdJs: 0.870605588,
KhJc: 0.870605588,
KhJd: 0.870605588,
KhJs: 0.870605588,
KsJc: 0.870605588,
KsJd: 0.870605588,
KsJh: 0.870605588,
9c7c: 0.866943479,
9d7d: 0.866943479,
9h7h: 0.866943479,
9s7s: 0.866943479,
Ac3c: 0.865356565,
Ad3d: 0.865356565,
Ah3h: 0.865356565,
As3s: 0.865356565,
AcTd: 0.859130979,
AcTh: 0.859130979,
AcTs: 0.859130979,
AdTc: 0.859130979,
AdTh: 0.859130979,
AdTs: 0.859130979,
AhTc: 0.859130979,
AhTd: 0.859130979,
AhTs: 0.859130979,
AsTc: 0.859130979,
AsTd: 0.859130979,
AsTh: 0.859130979,
Jc5c: 0.846191525,
Jd5d: 0.846191525,
Jh5h: 0.846191525,
Js5s: 0.846191525,
QcJd: 0.837036252,
QcJh: 0.837036252,
QcJs: 0.837036252,
QdJc: 0.837036252,
QdJh: 0.837036252,
QdJs: 0.837036252,
QhJc: 0.837036252,
QhJd: 0.837036252,
QhJs: 0.837036252,
QsJc: 0.837036252,
QsJd: 0.837036252,
QsJh: 0.837036252,
Jc6c: 0.829345822,
Jd6d: 0.829345822,
Jh6h: 0.829345822,
Js6s: 0.829345822,
4c3c: 0.825073361,
4d3d: 0.825073361,
4h3h: 0.825073361,
4s3s: 0.825073361,
Tc8c: 0.813720822,
Td8d: 0.813720822,
Th8h: 0.813720822,
Ts8s: 0.813720822,
6c4c: 0.8051759,
6d4d: 0.8051759,
6h4h: 0.8051759,
6s4s: 0.8051759,
JcTd: 0.796142697,
JcTh: 0.796142697,
JcTs: 0.796142697,
JdTc: 0.796142697,
JdTh: 0.796142697,
JdTs: 0.796142697,
JhTc: 0.796142697,
JhTd: 0.796142697,
JhTs: 0.796142697,
JsTc: 0.796142697,
JsTd: 0.796142697,
JsTh: 0.796142697,
Kc5c: 0.795288205,
Kd5d: 0.795288205,
Kh5h: 0.795288205,
Ks5s: 0.795288205,
Qc9c: 0.784546018,
Qd9d: 0.784546018,
Qh9h: 0.784546018,
Qs9s: 0.784546018,
8c6c: 0.780273557,
8d6d: 0.780273557,
8h6h: 0.780273557,
8s6s: 0.780273557,
8d8c: 0.761230588,
8h8c: 0.761230588,
8h8d: 0.761230588,
8s8c: 0.761230588,
8s8d: 0.761230588,
8s8h: 0.761230588,
Ac5c: 0.744140744,
Ad5d: 0.744140744,
Ah5h: 0.744140744,
As5s: 0.744140744,
6c5c: 0.741943479,
6d5d: 0.741943479,
6h5h: 0.741943479,
6s5s: 0.741943479,
9c8c: 0.73461926,
9d8d: 0.73461926,
9h8h: 0.73461926,
9s8s: 0.73461926,
9c6c: 0.734130979,
9d6d: 0.734130979,
9h6h: 0.734130979,
9s6s: 0.734130979,
7d7c: 0.731933713,
7h7c: 0.731933713,
7h7d: 0.731933713,
7s7c: 0.731933713,
7s7d: 0.731933713,
7s7h: 0.731933713,
Jc8c: 0.721191525,
Jd8d: 0.721191525,
Jh8h: 0.721191525,
Js8s: 0.721191525,
Ac7c: 0.711670041,
Ad7d: 0.711670041,
Ah7h: 0.711670041,
As7s: 0.711670041,
5c4c: 0.689209104,
5d4d: 0.689209104,
5h4h: 0.689209104,
5s4s: 0.689209104,
KcQd: 0.672851682,
KcQh: 0.672851682,
KcQs: 0.672851682,
KdQc: 0.672851682,
KdQh: 0.672851682,
KdQs: 0.672851682,
KhQc: 0.672851682,
KhQd: 0.672851682,
KhQs: 0.672851682,
KsQc: 0.672851682,
KsQd: 0.672851682,
KsQh: 0.672851682,
Kc8c: 0.618408322,
Kd8d: 0.618408322,
Kh8h: 0.618408322,
Ks8s: 0.618408322,
4c2c: 0.603759885,
4d2d: 0.603759885,
4h2h: 0.603759885,
4s2s: 0.603759885,
AcJd: 0.599121213,
AcJh: 0.599121213,
AcJs: 0.599121213,
AdJc: 0.599121213,
AdJh: 0.599121213,
AdJs: 0.599121213,
AhJc: 0.599121213,
AhJd: 0.599121213,
AhJs: 0.599121213,
AsJc: 0.599121213,
AsJd: 0.599121213,
AsJh: 0.599121213,
Ac9c: 0.593261838,
Ad9d: 0.593261838,
Ah9h: 0.593261838,
As9s: 0.593261838,
Ac8c: 0.568115354,
Ad8d: 0.568115354,
Ah8h: 0.568115354,
As8s: 0.568115354,
Ac5d: 0.504882932,
Ac5h: 0.504882932,
Ac5s: 0.504882932,
Ad5c: 0.504882932,
Ad5h: 0.504882932,
Ad5s: 0.504882932,
Ah5c: 0.504882932,
Ah5d: 0.504882932,
Ah5s: 0.504882932,
As5c: 0.504882932,
As5d: 0.504882932,
As5h: 0.504882932,
8c7c: 0.420898438,
8d7d: 0.420898438,
8h7h: 0.420898438,
8s7s: 0.420898438,
Jc9c: 0.403564453,
Jd9d: 0.403564453,
Jh9h: 0.403564453,
Js9s: 0.403564453,
Tc5c: 0.386230469,
Td5d: 0.386230469,
Th5h: 0.386230469,
Ts5s: 0.386230469,
Qc3c: 0.353759766,
Qd3d: 0.353759766,
Qh3h: 0.353759766,
Qs3s: 0.353759766,
9c5c: 0.337646484,
9d5d: 0.337646484,
9h5h: 0.337646484,
9s5s: 0.337646484,
7c4c: 0.333007812,
7d4d: 0.333007812,
7h4h: 0.333007812,
7s4s: 0.333007812,
Tc9c: 0.327148438,
Td9d: 0.327148438,
Th9h: 0.327148438,
Ts9s: 0.327148438,
AcQd: 0.315673828,
AcQh: 0.315673828,
AcQs: 0.315673828,
AdQc: 0.315673828,
AdQh: 0.315673828,
AdQs: 0.315673828,
AhQc: 0.315673828,
AhQd: 0.315673828,
AhQs: 0.315673828,
AsQc: 0.315673828,
AsQd: 0.315673828,
AsQh: 0.315673828,
Ac6d: 0.313232422,
Ac6h: 0.313232422,
Ac6s: 0.313232422,
Ad6c: 0.313232422,
Ad6h: 0.313232422,
Ad6s: 0.313232422,
Ah6c: 0.313232422,
Ah6d: 0.313232422,
Ah6s: 0.313232422,
As6c: 0.313232422,
As6d: 0.313232422,
As6h: 0.313232422,
Kc9c: 0.303955078,
Kd9d: 0.303955078,
Kh9h: 0.303955078,
Ks9s: 0.303955078,
QcTc: 0.289794922,
QdTd: 0.289794922,
QhTh: 0.289794922,
QsTs: 0.289794922,
JcTc: 0.205566406,
JdTd: 0.205566406,
JhTh: 0.205566406,
JsTs: 0.205566406,
Qc4c: 0.164916992,
Qd4d: 0.164916992,
Qh4h: 0.164916992,
Qs4s: 0.164916992,
8c6d: 0.162353516,
8c6h: 0.162353516,
8c6s: 0.162353516,
8d6c: 0.162353516,
8d6h: 0.162353516,
8d6s: 0.162353516,
8h6c: 0.162353516,
8h6d: 0.162353516,
8h6s: 0.162353516,
8s6c: 0.162353516,
8s6d: 0.162353516,
8s6h: 0.162353516,
QcJc: 0.150146484,
QdJd: 0.150146484,
QhJh: 0.150146484,
QsJs: 0.150146484,
9d9c: 0.103759766,
9h9c: 0.103759766,
9h9d: 0.103759766,
9s9c: 0.103759766,
9s9d: 0.103759766,
9s9h: 0.103759766,
KcJc: 0.092590332,
KdJd: 0.092590332,
KhJh: 0.092590332,
KsJs: 0.092590332,
KcTc: 0.0884399414,
KdTd: 0.0884399414,
KhTh: 0.0884399414,
KsTs: 0.0884399414,
Ac3d: 0.0855102539,
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I was GTO in 2007 -wobbly_auLast edit: 05/07/2018 11:48

drone666   Brasil. Jul 05 2018 12:28. Posts 1674


  On July 05 2018 10:06 longple wrote:

Probably pushing it a bit to hard, but I think I like both either going small bet (bit wider) or polerizeing quite hard with tons of checking+sizeing up.



if the ranges aren't too diff than what I expect you can have both
your range crushes this board very hard


longple    Sweden. Jul 05 2018 13:59. Posts 4463

Looked at it in pio and talked to stroggoz on skypes, QT seems to wide

indeed pio chooses a overbet or check strategy on turn, dosnt use the 150-1% sizes at all.

dosnt include QT hardly ever in the turnrange, and the EV of checking it on the river is substantially higher then jamming it after the low freq turnbet.
It values low bottompairblockers and low gutshots like 3x or 2x higher then the broadway stratighdraws for then turnoverbet.

That was monkersolvers ranges for these preflopactions, and not ours at all tho

 Last edit: 05/07/2018 14:08

RiKD    United States. Jul 05 2018 16:54. Posts 5418

I miss poker


Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Jul 05 2018 23:17. Posts 8710

Yeh, discussions like these sometime make me feel like going back as well


Baalim   Mexico. Jul 06 2018 07:43. Posts 32676


  On July 05 2018 12:59 longple wrote:
Looked at it in pio and talked to stroggoz on skypes, QT seems to wide

indeed pio chooses a overbet or check strategy on turn, dosnt use the 150-1% sizes at all.

dosnt include QT hardly ever in the turnrange, and the EV of checking it on the river is substantially higher then jamming it after the low freq turnbet.
It values low bottompairblockers and low gutshots like 3x or 2x higher then the broadway stratighdraws for then turnoverbet.

That was monkersolvers ranges for these preflopactions, and not ours at all tho



so 150%+? interesting


however if you are not overbetting those 2x 3x and only broadways which is very common you are going to shove that turn with Tx super often but that is just a reflection of a poorly constructed turn range

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longple    Sweden. Jul 06 2018 08:57. Posts 4463


  On July 06 2018 06:43 Baalim wrote:
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so 150%+? interesting


however if you are not overbetting those 2x 3x and only broadways which is very common you are going to shove that turn with Tx super often but that is just a reflection of a poorly constructed turn range



I shouldnt say never 150-1% rather 75-1%, I gave it 25% 75% and 150% and it only used the 150% size.

Good points, I dont have as many 2x 3x 4x 5x hands here either compared to monker, it raises the SB limp so all over the place, I mean it raises 33% of 93o and 92o as an example preflop vs the limp.

Im much more linear even tho I try to poler a bit similair to the oldschool HU OOP 3bet ranges


Jamie217   Canada. Jul 12 2018 23:59. Posts 4321

Yeah this made me miss poker as well, good stuff guys


Ryan Neilly   United States. Jul 14 2018 02:05. Posts 1269

my friend and i went over this alot, been having some issues in same spots, feel like we gotta just bet 40-75% OTR or XX back enuf when he calls this overbet ott hes just too narrow in general these days .. atleast vs myself and evade..

been jammin these too much and getting called off by weird ass shit recently


Djorkaeff7   Poland. Jul 15 2018 15:40. Posts 2

Could you please elaborate on why do you (and PIO) think overbetting this turn is better than betting a more standard size?


Stroggoz   New Zealand. Jul 15 2018 17:42. Posts 4217

villian calls with a lot of ace high on flop, so when you betting into their range on turn they have enough Ax in their range so that you should be value betting only Strong Ax and better, along side this fact, they don't have too many 2pair+ in their range. So the strategy that makes sense on turn is to split between checking and overbetting.

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Djorkaeff7   Poland. Jul 16 2018 08:32. Posts 2

Thanks!


traxamillion   United States. Jul 17 2018 09:58. Posts 10386


  On July 05 2018 10:47 Stroggoz wrote:
if it helps i've simmed for 2.5x/limp on SB:


This is what sb defends vs raise to 35 vs limp :



should be at least 3x for the sb open no? more like 3.5x

not sure how much it would change the sim though


traxamillion   United States. Jul 17 2018 10:05. Posts 10386

how does monker stack up to pio? better for ring games?


Stroggoz   New Zealand. Jul 17 2018 10:32. Posts 4217


  On July 17 2018 08:58 traxamillion wrote:
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should be at least 3x for the sb open no? more like 3.5x

not sure how much it would change the sim though


pio prefers 2.5x/limp over 3x/limp or 3.5x/limp. I ran a sim with 2.5x/3x/3.5x to test this.

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traxamillion   United States. Jul 17 2018 10:38. Posts 10386

no shit? that is a surprise to me. i guess the bigger size is just good with antes then


Stroggoz   New Zealand. Jul 17 2018 10:55. Posts 4217

yep. It pays to run those sorts of tests before fixing your preflop strategy, pio is full of surprises.

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