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Handnr: 1080852
Submitted by : Stroggoz

PokerStars Zoom Hand #185795540583: Holdem No Limit ($2.50/$5.00) - 2018/04/28 21:02:00 ET
Table Lambda Velorum 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: RhoNin9 ($856.31 in chips)
Seat 2: theIpoker ($1260.04 in chips)
Seat 3: Stroggos_nz ($500 in chips)
Seat 4: Win A Rolex ($477.78 in chips)
Seat 5: Ankhes ($665.48 in chips)
Seat 6: nutsrandom ($500 in chips)
theIpoker: posts small blind $2.50
Stroggos_nz: posts big blind $5

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to Stroggos_nz AdKd
Win A Rolex: folds
Ankhes: folds
nutsrandom: raises $7.50 to $12.50
RhoNin9: calls $12.50
theIpoker: folds
Stroggos_nz: raises $52.50 to $65
nutsrandom: folds
RhoNin9: calls $52.50

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $145.00)

   Ks3h5d
Stroggos_nz: bets $34.08
RhoNin9: calls $34.08

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $213.16)

   Ks3h5d5s
Stroggos_nz: checks
RhoNin9: bets $65.15
Stroggos_nz: calls $65.15

River (Pot : $343.46)

   Ks3h5d5s2h
Stroggos_nz: checks
RhoNin9: bets $337.50
Stroggos_nz: calls $335.77 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($1.73) returned to RhoNin9

Showdown
RhoNin9: shows 4h6h (a straight, Deuce to Six)
Stroggos_nz: shows AdKd (two pair, Kings and Fives)
RhoNin9 collected $1012 from pot

Summary
Total pot $1015 | Rake $3
Board  Ks3h5d5s2h
Seat 1: RhoNin9 (button) showed 4h6h and won ($1012) with a straight, Deuce to Six
Seat 2: theIpoker (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: Stroggos_nz (big blind) showed AdKd and lost with two pair, Kings and Fives
Seat 4: Win A Rolex folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 5: Ankhes folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 6: nutsrandom folded before Flop

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Ryan Neilly   United States. Apr 29 2018 15:49. Posts 1247

i play this 100% the same, i prolly bet like $10 more on flop, on river i think u can find some check folds a lil more often since your pretty face up as KJ++ though, (yeah u have some other high pairs but in general KJss-AK)

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Nitewin   United States. Apr 29 2018 16:24. Posts 990

Many pocket pairs are continuing the turn. Could have A5s here too. Don't know if you have a 33, 55 3-betting strategy.

Still having a hard time finding bluffs in his range. 67s, A2/A4s, A3 spades?

Value betting KQ?

5x, 33, AA close I guess, not that many value hands either.


Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Apr 29 2018 18:43. Posts 8361

Are A2-A5s supposed to be in the call vs sqz range though? Feels a bit weak and setting yourself for a bad spot


lebowski   Greece. Apr 29 2018 19:25. Posts 8994

I don't see how we can fold vs a rec

new shit has come to light... a-and... shit! man... 

locoo   Peru. Apr 30 2018 02:45. Posts 4508

not to be results oriented but I'd rather c/raise turn vs that size, looks too much like a block bet and they probably shut down on every river they don't hit, may check back KT/KJ/KQ river as well

bitte bitte bitte bitte bitte bitte 

Stroggoz   New Zealand. Apr 30 2018 04:54. Posts 4079

ah yeah definitely gotta x/r a lot more vs the smaller bets. It didn't look like a block bet to me because that ought to be their size regardless of what their value hand is.

I was GTO in 2007 -wobbly_au 

Baalim   Mexico. May 02 2018 02:12. Posts 32169


  On April 29 2018 14:49 Ryan Neilly wrote:
i play this 100% the same, i prolly bet like $10 more on flop, on river i think u can find some check folds a lil more often since your pretty face up as KJ++ though, (yeah u have some other high pairs but in general KJss-AK)



bet $10 flop.. c/c c/f LOL

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BlizzY   Slovakia. May 02 2018 07:29. Posts 775


  On May 02 2018 01:12 Baalim wrote:
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bet $10 flop.. c/c c/f LOL


yea pretty face up as KJ+, because QQ and lower folds turn obv, so you need to fold, because who would bluff such a strong range, after showing so much strength as betting 1/4 and calling 1/3 on turn ?

 Last edit: 02/05/2018 07:30

Ryan Neilly   United States. May 02 2018 08:22. Posts 1247

butcher it all u want, everytime im in this spot it seems i get stacked after i take this exact line (on these type of rivers in 3bet pots when i bet tptk otf + ott vs recs who have wide ranges)


LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. May 02 2018 08:29. Posts 14590

He bets 10 MORE on the flop so 1/3
And yeah the concept is the same - vs smn bad/explo playing when you c/c turn you pretty much only have showdown value
so they check back shitloads not wantign to bluff into that, why Locoo was posting that here too that it feels like river will go x/x too much

So I can see how Neilly would consider a fold on some big river bets when you bet bigger on the flop.
Yeah it's just plain wrong when you play unknowns or good players, you can almost never fold a bluffcatcher when you beat thin valuebets (like KQ) even when he does make it big
And people are good enough to always have at least some bluffs in their ranges

But it's not completely ludicrous come on guys out of all the Neilly statements, if you shit on the guy at least get your facts straight boys

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Stroggoz   New Zealand. May 02 2018 09:53. Posts 4079

They are very wide preflop-and are supposed to fold to cbet around 18-22% vs this size-if they are following a gto based strategy. I was trapping clearly and printing money c/c the river. I'll admit games run far nittier at lower stakes so it doesn't print to c/c river there, merely it makes a good amount of money.

I was GTO in 2007 -wobbly_au 

BlizzY   Slovakia. May 02 2018 10:03. Posts 775


  On May 02 2018 07:22 Ryan Neilly wrote:
butcher it all u want, everytime im in this spot it seems i get stacked after i take this exact line (on these type of rivers in 3bet pots when i bet tptk otf + ott vs recs who have wide ranges)



Maybe that's because it's completely different line than this hand Neilly. Hero is not betting turn. Obviously they are going to be stronger after you force them to fold weakest part by betting turn.


traxamillion   United States. May 03 2018 05:53. Posts 10367

you guys are crazy this hand is quite standard and wp, river is never a fold obv. He folds everything up through this hand on river he has no calling range other than maybe AKcc or some KK traps.

my only question would be what % does hero bet turn vs c/c


Ryan Neilly   United States. May 04 2018 02:19. Posts 1247

honestly this happened to me in a real big live game vs a guy worth 979 mil, he played 90% vpip and always bluffd rivers, he had the 46 here, being RO was one of my biggest spots etc


Spitfiree   Bulgaria. May 06 2018 20:30. Posts 8361

you're saying that after probably what is around 10 years of playing poker, you think its okay to be results-oriented just because some fish got you in one of your biggest pots or what

what Baal & Blizzy said pretty much sums up everything


Ryan Neilly   United States. May 16 2018 17:13. Posts 1247

this hand just reminded me of that hand, its an obvious snap call, altho flop sizing does keep both str8 draws in, i wouldnt fold unless vs the biggest of nits.


 

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