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Handnr: 1077680
Submitted by : Stroggoz

PokerStars Zoom Hand #176772227202: Holdem No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2017/10/11 9:21:37 ET
Table Triangulum 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: dzagur3 ($111.28 in chips)
Seat 2: Ilya Sekaro ($117.32 in chips)
Seat 3: Stroggos_nz ($299.72 in chips)
Seat 4: FuIlh0use ($100 in chips)
Seat 5: Paid_To_La!d ($108.62 in chips)
Seat 6: kAfRiNiUs ($111.70 in chips)
Ilya Sekaro: posts small blind $0.50
Stroggos_nz: posts big blind $1

Holecards
Dealt to Stroggos_nz ThAc
FuIlh0use: raises $2 to $3
Paid_To_La!d: folds
kAfRiNiUs: folds
dzagur3: folds
Ilya Sekaro: folds
Stroggos_nz: calls $2

Flop (Pot : $6.50)

   TsTcAd
Stroggos_nz: checks
FuIlh0use: bets $3.15
Stroggos_nz: calls $3.15

Turn (Pot : $12.80)

   TsTcAd4c
Stroggos_nz: bets $4.13
FuIlh0use: calls $4.13

River (Pot : $21.06)

   TsTcAd4cQh
Stroggos_nz: checks
FuIlh0use: bets $10.21
Stroggos_nz: raises $28.71 to $38.92
FuIlh0use: folds
Uncalled bet ($28.71) returned to Stroggos_nz
Stroggos_nz collected $39.41 from pot
Stroggos_nz: doesnt show hand

Summary
Total pot $41.48 | Rake $2.07
Board  TsTcAd4cQh
Seat 1: dzagur3 (button) folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 2: Ilya Sekaro (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: Stroggos_nz (big blind) collected ($39.41)
Seat 4: FuIlh0use folded on the River
Seat 5: Paid_To_La!d folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 6: kAfRiNiUs folded before Flop (didnt bet)

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Ryan Neilly   United States. Oct 11 2017 15:30. Posts 1631

awkkkkkkkkkward

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Ryan Neilly   United States. Oct 11 2017 23:10. Posts 1631

how bout 23.77 or 52.44, i think your sizing actually is quite transparent in this one sir.

i'd fold AQ and AK, Tx is strong enough to call, rest is a fold... i like to toy my sizigs for crying call in these spots when im so nutted when i x/r, or go huge and pray they call.

sizings standard and fine, i think in this day and age, we should be balancing more smaller bet and bigger bets, and using these betsizings as more of our river bluff lines vs bad regs. (ie if you floated KQdd, led turn, and x/r river here, would be a stronger candidate for a river sizing like this


Ryan Neilly   United States. Oct 11 2017 23:12. Posts 1631

lets get this forum going again, ill get some hands on here too, been playin mostly on untracked sites


casinocasino   Canada. Oct 12 2017 01:28. Posts 3343

I dont understand turn lead vs players without strong bluffing tendancy, espesially along with the river check.


Daut    United States. Oct 12 2017 03:30. Posts 8955

Ya, also don't really get this hand. What's PIO say about turn/river?

NewbSaibot: 18 TIMES THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Because FUCK YOU, Daut 

Stroggoz   New Zealand. Oct 12 2017 03:57. Posts 5291

lol pio leads turn 97% if villian never raises turn lead, but it leads 1% if they do.

https://gyazo.com/c37ebe9d445f8822f4c4c14ada1fd99d
https://gyazo.com/535d7fd925b47f6126aa7bb83d361ee2

im fine with c/r, c/c and leading flop, as i played it i wanted to lead turn with a small sizing so i can include floats like QJs, KJs, KQs, and get value from Ax that check back too often. River i need to check some hands so i don't get owned with Qx. I will most likely lead river with some Qx and Tx, KJ, and check river with AT, Ax, Qx.

One of 3 non decent human beings on a site of 5 people with between 2-3 decent human beingsLast edit: 12/10/2017 04:06

Stroggoz   New Zealand. Oct 12 2017 04:11. Posts 5291

https://gyazo.com/5f9dad5c142f7f5804d5c0d9d00a0d5c
https://gyazo.com/7c213296b0669242a8aec6dc9ff73e0d
https://gyazo.com/851d782be95a1898be5eabeb25846b6b
https://gyazo.com/e26a27d052594b95c5be6fa0eb49c895

pio doesn't like leading turn at all, since it makes IP raise the lead 33%. (with hands like AQ+),

in both scenarios it prefers checking river with AT but its mixed

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Baalim   Mexico. Oct 12 2017 07:49. Posts 34246

interesting drastic change of strat, it never leads turn :o but CR it a lot

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Stroggoz   New Zealand. Oct 12 2017 12:11. Posts 5291

in general people play far from gto leading ranges, so it might be a profitable research project to see how you can exploit that .

One of 3 non decent human beings on a site of 5 people with between 2-3 decent human beingsLast edit: 12/10/2017 13:04

drone666   Brasil. Oct 12 2017 16:11. Posts 1821

are you guys talking about changes vs someone that doesnt raise turn donkbet ?
this is very standard, whenever villain doesnt raise a spot, your bet frequency is going to be huge
that why we see a lot of bet/3bet/stack off on high stakes lately

if you xr flop and someone doesnt have a 3bet range, your xr frequency is also going to be huge, this is for all spots

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traxamillion   United States. Oct 12 2017 20:02. Posts 10468


  On October 12 2017 02:57 Stroggoz wrote:
lol pio leads turn 97% if villian never raises turn lead, but it leads 1% if they do.

https://gyazo.com/c37ebe9d445f8822f4c4c14ada1fd99d
https://gyazo.com/535d7fd925b47f6126aa7bb83d361ee2

im fine with c/r, c/c and leading flop, as i played it i wanted to lead turn with a small sizing so i can include floats like QJs, KJs, KQs, and get value from Ax that check back too often. River i need to check some hands so i don't get owned with Qx. I will most likely lead river with some Qx and Tx, KJ, and check river with AT, Ax, Qx.



Why would pio's line depend on villain's future action that way? Shouldn't it be looking at all possibly lines of the tree and finding the optimal line from that?

Or are you fixing certain actions to see the response?


Stroggoz   New Zealand. Oct 12 2017 20:08. Posts 5291

^I ran two sims, one with raise vs lead and one without.

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Fayth    Canada. Oct 13 2017 03:05. Posts 10085

don't bother running sims without raise size, it's pretty dumb, only players I could see NEVER raising vs a small turn lead would be some sort of whale and well we don't need to balance vs those

Im not sure what to do tomorrow when I see her, should I shake her hand?? -Floofy 

 

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