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Handnr: 1077568
Submitted by : Stroggoz

PokerStars Zoom Hand #176546412315: Holdem No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2017/10/05 21:35:02 ET
Table Baade 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: korasidas77 ($54.16 in chips)
Seat 2: Stroggos_nz ($52.50 in chips)
Seat 3: thiago mayo ($11.89 in chips)
Seat 4: crookpl ($67.72 in chips)
Seat 5: vivitar1 ($51.95 in chips)
Seat 6: davitt091 ($46 in chips)
Stroggos_nz: posts small blind $0.25
thiago mayo: posts big blind $0.50

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to Stroggos_nz JhQh
crookpl: folds
vivitar1: folds
davitt091: folds
korasidas77: raises $1 to $1.50
Stroggos_nz: raises $3.50 to $5
thiago mayo: folds
korasidas77: raises $8.50 to $13.50
Stroggos_nz: calls $8.50

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $27.50)

   Js9h2d
Stroggos_nz: bets $6.53
korasidas77: raises $34.13 to $40.66 and is all-in
Stroggos_nz: calls $32.47 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($1.66) returned to korasidas77

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $105.50)

   Js9h2d4d

River (Pot : $105.50)

   Js9h2d4dKh

Showdown
Stroggos_nz: shows JhQh (a pair of Jacks)
korasidas77: shows KdAs (a pair of Kings)
korasidas77 collected $103.50 from pot

Summary
Total pot $105.50 | Rake $2
Board  Js9h2d4dKh
Seat 1: korasidas77 (button) showed KdAs and won ($103.50) with a pair of Kings
Seat 2: Stroggos_nz (small blind) showed JhQh and lost with a pair of Jacks
Seat 3: thiago mayo (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: crookpl folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 5: vivitar1 folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 6: davitt091 folded before Flop (didnt bet)

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Nitewin   United States. Oct 06 2017 03:47. Posts 1539

Cooler? What do you think about his shove? He blocks AA, KK. This is a fair bluff with 6 outs.

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Stroggoz   New Zealand. Oct 06 2017 12:52. Posts 5290

seem's kinda strange to jam AK there, it can't really be a bluff, since it never folds anything better, and it can
t really be value, since it never gets called by worse. ideally you should bluff with hands that have some equity but can't call down, and save hands like AK for calling down.

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drone666   Brasil. Oct 06 2017 12:57. Posts 1821

this concept of value and bluff is outdated
he should choose the decision that brings him the highest ev, sometimes making a worse hand fold is better than calling and letting villain realise his equity
not saying this is the case or his play is right

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Stroggoz   New Zealand. Oct 06 2017 13:03. Posts 5290

https://gyazo.com/40d895a62331fbb14a3127f9f92488e5
https://gyazo.com/34c45cff9f210b824d57be3a8fdfb02e

ah yeah, i agree with that drone to a large extent. The real explanation for not jamming AKo will come from many different factors that lead it to being the most +ev, and the one he mention is certainly a much bigger factor in 3bet and 4 bet pots.

One of 3 non decent human beings on a site of 5 people with between 2-3 decent human beingsLast edit: 06/10/2017 14:20

Ryan Neilly   United States. Oct 06 2017 15:24. Posts 1631

nice to see hands being posted, keep it up stroggoz. wp w/e next one


lebowski   Greece. Oct 06 2017 16:37. Posts 9205

so pio says it's mostly a call with AK right? also it prefers raising AQ instead

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HungarianGOD   . Oct 06 2017 22:56. Posts 459

I'm guessing that's because 3-bet call range is significantly more K dense than Q dense, so AK will be dominating more often and benefits less from folding out the hands that missed.

 Last edit: 06/10/2017 22:58

Baalim   Mexico. Oct 07 2017 01:19. Posts 34246


  On October 06 2017 21:56 HungarianGOD wrote:
I'm guessing that's because 3-bet call range is significantly more K dense than Q dense, so AK will be dominating more often and benefits less from folding out the hands that missed.



what, no it isnt significantly more dense since AKo 4bets much more than AQo

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Baalim   Mexico. Oct 07 2017 01:23. Posts 34246

I have been very lazy building my donk lead on 3Bet pots I should work on that

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traxamillion   United States. Oct 07 2017 01:57. Posts 10468

does pio like ur lead stroggoz?


Nitewin   United States. Oct 07 2017 01:58. Posts 1539


  On October 06 2017 11:52 Stroggoz wrote:
it can't really be a bluff, since it never folds anything better



Does this mean when you bet here, you are also calling with your entire range?


Stroggoz   New Zealand. Oct 07 2017 02:35. Posts 5290

I posted pics, pio is ok with my flop lead, it does it with JQs and JTs more than anything else, i mean it's super mixed as it always is, so it's fine with checking as well. I wan't to lead on these boards, for protection, they won't cbet as often on this board as other ones, and if they check back AK or K3s, or K9o, ect, they get free cards.

Linuslove would probably just jam flop here i guess, but i'm not sure why he prefers that sizing.

One of 3 non decent human beings on a site of 5 people with between 2-3 decent human beingsLast edit: 07/10/2017 04:23

TimDawg    United States. Oct 07 2017 09:27. Posts 10197

Interesting line by you in this hand. I think I like it...

Villain's play post flop seems spewy and very non GTO

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TimDawg    United States. Oct 07 2017 09:28. Posts 10197

I only play live in 4-5 card PLO games these days so developing a flop donking range as the OOP preflop caller of a 4bet is something I rarely think about and find fun to think about

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Stroggoz   New Zealand. Oct 07 2017 11:31. Posts 5290

i don't think it's particularly spewy to jam AK in his position, gto jams flops a ton in 4bet pots vs donk bet like this, but i don't think i would put his hand in a jamming range. pio really likes leading here if no one ever jam's vs it, since i always get to realize my equity, so there definitely should be a wide jamming range vs my lead.

One of 3 non decent human beings on a site of 5 people with between 2-3 decent human beingsLast edit: 07/10/2017 11:38

 

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