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Handnr: 1074813
Submitted by : TianYuan

PokerStars Zoom Hand #170299757251: Omaha Pot Limit ($2.50/$5.00) - 2017/05/12 14:55:54 JST [2017/05/12 1:55:54 ET]
Table Humason 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: TianYuan ($591.96 in chips)
Seat 2: gragik ($639.16 in chips)
Seat 3: Her087 ($500 in chips)
Seat 4: roo_400 ($506.06 in chips)
Seat 5: HandWheel93 ($487.50 in chips)
Seat 6: Alpha 5.20 ($500 in chips)
gragik: posts small blind $2.50
Her087: posts big blind $5

Holecards
Dealt to TianYuan 7c8dQcKh
roo_400: folds
HandWheel93: folds
Alpha 5.20: folds
TianYuan: raises $12.50 to $17.50
gragik: folds
Her087: calls $12.50

Flop (Pot : $37.50)

   QsAsQd
Her087: checks
TianYuan: bets $11.75
Her087: calls $11.75

Turn (Pot : $61.00)

   QsAsQd6h
Her087: checks
TianYuan: bets $43.50
Her087: calls $43.50

River (Pot : $148.00)

   QsAsQd6hAc
Her087: bets $81.20
TianYuan: raises $307.40 to $388.60
Her087: folds
Uncalled bet ($307.40) returned to TianYuan
TianYuan collected $307.40 from pot
TianYuan: doesnt show hand

Summary
Total pot $310.40 | Rake $3
Board  QsAsQd6hAc
Seat 1: TianYuan (button) collected ($307.40)
Seat 2: gragik (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: Her087 (big blind) folded on the River
Seat 4: roo_400 folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 5: HandWheel93 folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 6: Alpha 5.20 folded before Flop (didnt bet)

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lucky331   . May 12 2017 08:56. Posts 705

you think he had the A?

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TianYuan    Korea (South). May 12 2017 10:06. Posts 6674

It's really, really, really hard to get to the river without an ace IMO. Only other hand would be KK with spades, but I hold one K.

Maybe some rare 66 combo that's trying to get value from Qx and weak Ax. Maybe TTKJ JJTK as well.

Hm.. Off-suite socks..Last edit: 12/05/2017 10:09

traxamillion   United States. May 13 2017 05:25. Posts 10239

Why couldn't he have QKss or KJ10ss? Folds most bare KXss on turn?

Nice bluff


traxamillion   United States. May 13 2017 05:27. Posts 10239

Well K10J 3bets a lot but I'm talking about all the different Kx fds


TianYuan    Korea (South). May 13 2017 09:35. Posts 6674


  Why couldn't he have QKss or KJ10ss? Folds most bare KXss on turn?


Without a pair I don't think he'll call turn, but yeah KJTss is possible. I'm not sure why KQss would lead river but if he folded that I'm happy

Hm.. Off-suite socks.. 

traxamillion   United States. May 14 2017 03:16. Posts 10239

I wasnt even thinking. Qk doesn't lead river lol. I bet he did fold an ace


Sacr3D   Canada. May 15 2017 06:41. Posts 500

I'm a PLO noob but how can you fold A isn't it the nuts?


TianYuan    Korea (South). May 15 2017 08:03. Posts 6674

You have trips here, not a full house - you need to use 2 cards from your hand to make a full house. So to have a FH+ he needs to have AA, AQ, 66, A6 or Q6. AQ, q6 both very unlikely when I have a Q. AA unlikely with no 3bet pre.

Even AK is unlikely given I have a K, so that leaves a bunch of raggy Ax which have a decently tough time calling.

Hm.. Off-suite socks.. 

Nitewin   United States. May 16 2017 01:05. Posts 822

If he doesn't even have AK here, then would you say odds are he's bluffing a missed draw? Seems odd to value bet AJ and worse when you could be betting a draw this whole time. Check/call seems to be better with Ax.


traxamillion   United States. May 16 2017 05:31. Posts 10239


  On May 16 2017 00:05 Nitewin wrote:
If he doesn't even have AK here, then would you say odds are he's bluffing a missed draw? Seems odd to value bet AJ and worse when you could be betting a draw this whole time. Check/call seems to be better with Ax.



well there is clear value vs a bunch of Qx Tian can be betting (and is betting). not everyone is going to make his sick play; many players just click call and bluffcatch as hero vs this river lead

 Last edit: 16/05/2017 05:32

TianYuan    Korea (South). May 17 2017 06:57. Posts 6674


  On May 16 2017 00:05 Nitewin wrote:
If he doesn't even have AK here, then would you say odds are he's bluffing a missed draw? Seems odd to value bet AJ and worse when you could be betting a draw this whole time. Check/call seems to be better with Ax.


I think there's a good chance people lead Ax here because a lot of my Ax will check turn (I'm btn after all, so have plenty of weak aces). Then when the A comes on river, if I have a draw on this board, and he called twice, what does he have...? Probably Ax or Qx which I don't especially want to try to make fold, so I'll give up a good amount of draws (still bluff some but probably going to be underbluffing).

That being said, bluffing KQ without spades here is incredibly high up in my range, got plenty of better candidates for it, so I don't necessarily think my play is perfect (I'm a little bit of a river monkey).

Hm.. Off-suite socks..Last edit: 17/05/2017 08:04

 

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