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Handnr: 1022502
Submitted by : lebowski

PokerStars Zoom Hand #106709299576: Holdem No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2013/11/08 21:31:33 EET [2013/11/08 14:31:33 ET]
Table Triangulum 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Priidix ($186.13 in chips)
Seat 2: Hero ($100.50 in chips)
Seat 3: Hmmmmz ($113.48 in chips)
Seat 4: Der Besen ($108.42 in chips)
Seat 5: AnyFace ($104.10 in chips)
Seat 6: damu88 ($104.21 in chips)
Hero: posts small blind $0.50
Hmmmmz: posts big blind $1

Holecards
Dealt to Hero 8c8s
Der Besen: folds
AnyFace: raises $2 to $3
damu88: folds
Priidix: folds
Hero: calls $2.50
Hmmmmz: folds

Flop (Pot : $7.00)

   2s8h5h
Hero: checks
AnyFace: bets $3.68
Hero: raises $8.32 to $12
AnyFace: calls $8.32

Turn (Pot : $31.00)

   2s8h5h7s
Hero: bets $22
AnyFace: calls $22

River (Pot : $75.00)

   2s8h5h7s9s
Hero

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LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Nov 08 2013 14:50. Posts 15163

is he good?
I just ship it in cause I have no idea what to do vs a check.
If cf EV=0when you fold*
If cc EV? wtf I got no idea?
Shove EV>0 pretty much guaranteed.

I shove. If you good and know theplayer/have strong population reads then you can contemplate check. Against random you have no idea about his bluffing frequency and only way to not make a mistake is to ship. If you expect him to play super straightforward and check behind all made hands and very rarely bluff then check fold can be done too. V unknown/good reg shove, top of range whatever fuck him hard not to make a mistake when you check.

*but we don't know if he check made hands or turn em into bluff etc.

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93% Sure! Last edit: 08/11/2013 15:13

LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Nov 08 2013 15:09. Posts 15163

Actually it could be an interesting discussion, there's so many unknowns about him and what he'll do that I'd play the unexploitable way even tho it's not necessarily a value shove. Also if you bluff shove this with e.g. hearts it's good to have made hands likesets besides a backdoor spade draw in your range it just makes you have a balanced range on the river really where you don't care what he does - sometimes he call you light sometimes he only call when you are beat here you just don't have to give a fuck.

if you play by the value/bluff logic and don't think he'll call you with >50% worse hands then I guess we have to check and play a guessing game.

93% Sure!  

julep   Australia. Nov 08 2013 15:46. Posts 1274

flop and turn size look too small

im def bombing the turn


Trolala   Estonia. Nov 08 2013 16:02. Posts 2050

don't see folding as an option

either jam or x-call


GoTuNk   Chile. Nov 08 2013 16:21. Posts 2860

I'm with trolala here, I think because of positions his range is weighted against overpairs and a few fds more than 6x
Since I don't think most regs are capable of bluffing here, I'd just shove, I think we are ahead a lot more than it looks like.
If it was SB vs BU this would be much tougher.


barbieman   Sweden. Nov 08 2013 17:20. Posts 2132

I'm on the jamming train, far more combos of value hands that will check behind that we beat than missed draws. + Very few hands that beat us, like JTss, JThh, 99, maybe 76cc, 76dd


jvilla777   Australia. Nov 08 2013 17:20. Posts 1348

i am xcalling this allday errday

longple: ur missing the point! this is an attempt to get away from the bumhuntmentality! 

FallinInLove   Slovakia. Nov 08 2013 17:22. Posts 486

jam/fistpump

Dont chase the paper, chase the dream! 

ugly   . Nov 08 2013 17:59. Posts 162

Y would anyone do anything other than shove is beyond me


 

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