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Submitted by : Joe

PokerStars Zoom Hand #97994043721: Omaha Pot Limit ($1/$2) - 2013/05/02 13:04:44 CET [2013/05/02 7:04:44 ET]
Table Diotima 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Joeik ($592 in chips)
Seat 2: Elglado ($486.24 in chips)
Seat 3: asaf7777 ($105.28 in chips)
Seat 4: Nozomron ($180.32 in chips)
Seat 5: ritutis ($219.33 in chips)
Seat 6: AngeL_fH ($346.56 in chips)
Elglado: posts small blind $1
asaf7777: posts big blind $2

Holecards
Dealt to Joeik 3dThKdTc
Nozomron: folds
ritutis: folds
AngeL_fH: folds
Joeik: raises $2.80 to $4.80
Elglado: raises $11.60 to $16.40
asaf7777: calls $14.40
Joeik: calls $11.60

Flop (Pot : $49.20)

   AsTs6h
Elglado: bets $36
asaf7777: raises $52.88 to $88.88 and is all-in
Joeik: ?

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MeProOk   Bulgaria. May 02 2013 07:33. Posts 246

obv read/stats dependant

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Joe   Czech Republic. May 02 2013 08:19. Posts 5987

Elglado is a regular, kind of a tag, but not nitty or something. His 3b from the sb is like 7-8 or something, but might be less when deep, I dont know.

there is a light at the end of the tunnel... (but sometimes the tunnel is long and deep as hell) 

MeProOk   Bulgaria. May 02 2013 09:07. Posts 246

I would fold. Can't really call here. Also can't raise and be wrong and drawing to 1 out for that many big blinds. asaf's range mainly consists of draws as you block top two pair and he will 3bet aa pre, so he either has ace and fd, gutshot and fd, inside wrap, the bare nfd, etc. If this is correct, range of Elglado should consist of AA or air, but i don't think he will c-bet air that often vs 2, so his range leans towards top set. He can of course have some combo draw himself, in which case asaf has the made hand, but these cases are much more rare for the reason that you block asaf's top two and that Elglado would 3bet much more Ace high suits than K-high that deep oop. Even if this is possible, the % that he (eldaro) will have a draw is too small to justify a raise on your side that deep. Also you have not invested that much in the hand and the SPR is high, which would also help our decision imo.


Joe   Czech Republic. May 02 2013 09:14. Posts 5987

Good analysis,thx.

there is a light at the end of the tunnel... (but sometimes the tunnel is long and deep as hell) 

Hoolz_1907   United Kingdom. May 02 2013 09:24. Posts 2791

Interesting spot. Hypothetically, could we flat and assume elglado only ships AAxx at this point and get away from it when he does? In the case of him flatting as well we could pot safe turns?

This is just a speculation to see what everyone thinks of this line. I don't love it and folding is def. a safe option but feels so damn weak :/

Look at his hand and equities, what do you expect him to have here, uno cards? - TianYuan 

Hoolz_1907   United Kingdom. May 02 2013 09:28. Posts 2791

Actually never mind, i dislike flatting if we're folding to raises,our hand feels face up and elglado - if smart enough - probably ships much wider than AA with all the dead money.

Look at his hand and equities, what do you expect him to have here, uno cards? - TianYuan 

gebbstet   Sweden. May 02 2013 10:01. Posts 391

just fold pre


Mortensen8   Chad. May 02 2013 13:12. Posts 1841

get it in, he doesn't only have aa or air.. didn't see deep but he's much wider than aa

Rear naked wokeLast edit: 02/05/2013 13:13

rememp   Canada. May 02 2013 15:27. Posts 480

elgado knows asaf has 50bb - he has to be front betting wider than AA here in my opinion.

Can we have results here - this is quite interesting.


Joe   Czech Republic. May 02 2013 17:10. Posts 5987

I tanked and tanked and wanted to fold but couldnt, so I got it in with him... He had AAxx.

there is a light at the end of the tunnel... (but sometimes the tunnel is long and deep as hell)Last edit: 02/05/2013 17:11

MeProOk   Bulgaria. May 02 2013 21:12. Posts 246

of course he can have else than air or aa, he can have a draw too, its just a smaller % of the time. also as stated above, he has air very rarely

 Last edit: 02/05/2013 21:13

asdf2000   United States. May 02 2013 22:07. Posts 7690

i would snap shove here i dont see how this is even a question
it's only fold if like first villains range is only AA. I mean wtf?

Grindin so hard, Im smashin pussies left and right. 

TalentedTom    Canada. May 03 2013 00:57. Posts 20070

^^ In PLO AAxx makes up ~2.5% of possilble holdings (unlike NLH where its 0,45%) so if Elglado 3-bets 7-8%, we are running into AAxx quite often here esp since he is also choosnig to c-bet a board 3 way that is very action heavy. Its a tough spot either way

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