books and coming out

great post, thanks. when i finish my current book queue i'll hopefully remember this post and buy some of these

Don't get me wrong, I think animals are pathetic and it is our darwinistic duty to smite them at all costs,

lol jesus

hahaha for a second i thought LP was who you were gonna come out gay too... then i remembered you were Sean Nolan and that's impossbile.

Friedman is a genius, I'll definitely have to pick this one up

another good book is "rich dad, poor dad" all about what a rich father tells his kid and a poor dad tells his kid

that book is mega played out imo and zzzz.

and yeah i wanted to slowroll LP into thinking im gay! hah!!!!!!!!!! gotcha!!!

On August 07 2010 13:10 gawdawaful wrote: Show nested quote + Don't get me wrong, I think animals are pathetic and it is our darwinistic duty to smite them at all costs, lol jesus

NO MORE JAPPADOGS FOR ME

First of all i want to say that diet is very complicated and theres tons of factors that come into play. Nobody can really tell you 'this is really good for you' you have to figure it out for yourself because everyone is different and remember to eat a varied diet. I'll go into some detail later in the post.

The China Study is something vegans rely on way too much but sadly doesn't really mean anything at all. It's convincing and has convinced a lot of people but isn't proof by any means. Lot of info here about it if you really want to go over it as you read it:

http://rawfoodsos.com/2010/07/07/the-china-study-fact-or-fallac/

You def have a good point about processed meats. Its absolutely disgusting and tastes abominable in comparison to good quality meats. Even if you totally disregard the happiness of the animals being raised for your consumption, take note that when these animals are raised on a proper diet in good conditions the quality of the product its much much higher and a lot better for you. Same goes for dairy btw... look into raw organic unpasteurised dairy (milk/cheese/yoghurt) raised on the cow or goats natural diet and avoid the pasteurised homogenised stuff most people are drinking and percieve as healthy. The vegan diet you're on right now may make you feel good for a while but its not gonna be healthy long term. Keep in mind that most vegans aren't thinking straight and usually have some kind of ethical or emotional issue clouding their judgement. Take everything they say with a high level of skepticism as they're usually not looking at diet from a health perspective and will happily let their teeth rot out if it avoids eating or depending on an animal for e.g.

Best thing you can do is go 100% organic. Eat a diet with plenty of organic raw vegetables (salads, smoothies, green juices) and a good amount of quality meats from animals raised properly on good diets.
You can buy this stuff online shipped to your door. Heres a popular one i see mentioned a lot: http://www.grasslandbeef.com/StoreFront.bok
Avoid all processed foods. Its pretty much universally terrible. Avoid microwaves.
Avoid refined sugar (table sugar) including soda etc.
Avoid refined (white) flour and choose organic (if possible) whole grains instead. Cut out bread and look into sprouted breads if you need an alternative.
If u drink alcohol try to get organic at least but limiting or eliminating the consumption of this is gonna be good for you.

Whats the quality of vegetables in vegas like?

Not sure what the water quality is like in vegas, am i right in thinking its ozone they use to purifiy the water rather than chlorine? Ozone is harmless, chlorine is not. Is there flouride in the water? I'd highly recommend you look into flouride/chlorine and the other nasties in our tap water yourself and if you think its necessary, look into a good water filter system.

Its a good thing you're doing though and i don't know how you were eating but its probably really healthy short-term. You know that following this diet you're basically required to take a b12 supplement (and maybe flax seed oil) as thats something your body requires that you can't get from a vegan diet. Regarding leather and other animal-based clothing, certainly don't dispose of it if you already own it because thats probably the most disrespectful thing you can do to the animal you're trying to respect. Best thing you could do is continue to use it and when you think its too old donate it to a clothing/charity place and let it be reused by someone.

Nolan I've started watching what I eat, avoiding meat overall unless I know it's really good and trying to choose organic whenever possible. I've felt huge changes as well in energy and health. Also I totally agree that the way we currently farm is alarming, and even more than that I find it pretty disgusting and often morally wrong. I'll never say we should outlaw meat or stop eating it completely, but there's no reason that to eat eggs we have to stuff so many chickens into a cage that their feathers are rubbed off by the bars and pump them full of steriods and other drugs while feeding them only corn. The system is really fucked up and processed foods overall are going to have some bad long term effects if we don't get rid of it now. Way to go on switching your diet and I'm glad you're letting people know about it. The first time I learned anything about how our food actually gets made it blew my fucking mind.

ggplz i dont know if you read my post in detail but im not attempting to have a "vegan" diet nor do i have any issue with animal made products (made that explicitly clear actually). i just said that since im avoiding processed meat and decided to cut out dairy since why not it was "effectively veganish"

i know the china study isnt like 100% go to, didnt know about b12 supplements but i take a daily multivitamin and ahve for like ever, idk if thats gonna cover it or whatever.

also k2o4 youre a hippy you just like moral anything imo :D

and yeah, just this morning i ordered a "vegetarian benedict" presuming it wouldn't have egg, but it was just eggs benedict with spinach/tomato instead of meat and did indeed have eggs. i ate the eggs because i think eating it is more reasonable then sending it back just so they can throw it out. i think wasting food is the greatest wrong of all i just need to be more careful about how i order when i eat out.

Kk, hopefully you'll take those suggestions under consideration as they are healthy and will improve your diet a lot long term. Theres also the matter of you supporting what you would like to see continue in future generations should you decide its healthy.

Slight tangent but it's pretty mindblowing when you realise theres areas in the world that have none or tiny rates of our modern day diseases largely due to their diets and lifestyles.

Out of curiousity, have you noticed any weight loss?

You might like the movie 'food inc' it covers a lot about the US farming and seems fairly neutral.

surprisingly (to me anyways) i don't think i've lost any weight, at least noticeably. it's only been 6-7 weeks now thouhg.

right on the day it's Gay pride day here in Amsterdam you come up with this post and then it is so dissapointing...

how cool would a gay Nolan be!

Finally we would have a gay LP!


ps are you still crushing while on veggies?

haha actually on a sick downswing but recovering :D

what are you kids' thoughts on protein supplements, especially if we're cutting a lot of meat out diet wise?

http://www.westonaprice.org/blogs/den...the-china-study-once-and-for-all.html

vegetarians are actually at risk for not getting enough nutrients that meat offers, although I agree with all the negativity of most of the meat consumed in the U.S.

how come loco didnt reply yet?
edit : oh nvm he did

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