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Chewits United Kingdom. Jun 26 2009 17:58. Posts 2539

I have come to the conclusion that I cannot play cash games effectively with a 20-25 BI bankroll. I let -3 BI sessions get to me, when they really shouldn't. Its only 3 BI. When I was playing NL10, 3 BI was really nothing. It would not effect me. Then at NL25 it effected me a little, but not too bad. Now at NL50, it effects me. I start to tighten up after loosing some standard beats, and stop playing at my best. Even if I go take a break and come back, I cannot get rid of it from my mind. I tell myself, to not think about the money, but I guess loosing $150 in space of 30 minutes with a $1200 bankroll effects me.

So I could move back down to NL25 and grind up a more comfortable bankroll for NL50. But I do not like this option. Why? Because my NL25 winrate has not been amazing. The truth of the matter is, i make a ton more money from tournaments than I do in cash games. In fact if I didn't play cash games, I would probably have a lot more of a bankroll. In fact in the last 40k hands, I have lost a total of $700 playing NL25/NL50. Yea thats right. $700. Yet I am a constant winner in large field sit+gos.

And I have come to the conclusion as to why. You see it does not effect me if my Aces get cracked by KQ in a $4 donkament. It doesn't effect me in a $12 donkament either. it has no effect. I see it as standard and I continue to play my 'A' game. It really is down to my bankroll. Some people can play with 20 BI bankrolls. But I have discovered that it simply will not work for me. I cannot always play my A game with the amount of bankroll.

So my new goals. I have decided that the month of July I am going to playing a lot of sit+gos and donkaments, to build a larger bankroll to go and attack NL50 again. Depending on this success I may not even go back to cash games, as if I have a sustainable edge at sit+gos, why stop? my only concerns of playing the 180man sit+gos, are that the non turbo ones take up a lot of time. Average of 4 hours for FT, is a long time. And it is pretty mentally draining as you cannot really take any breaks if you are multi tabling these, as the breaks overlap (yea stars plz get FTP breaks asap). So I think I will take a look at the turbos as well, as a lot of people play pretty poor in these.

I remember Boku amazing us all by making $10k in 15 days from $100. It reminded me that there is profit in sit+gos. I feel this is the right way to build a bankroll for me.

I am thinking of around 4k bankroll for NL50. What are your thoughts on this? if it goes well I might even grind roll for NL100!

See you at the tables

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Sicks Macks United States. Jun 26 2009 18:01. Posts 3929

Totally standard. I can't really play effectively without 60+ BI online. Glad you figured out your threshold.

Mr. Will Throwit

ToTehEastSide United States. Jun 26 2009 18:04. Posts 1337

that's the key
to find out what works for you

poker will always be profitable until the existence of money is obsolete
gl

fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity

Fujikura United States. Jun 26 2009 18:06. Posts 1795

nice, gl with it

aka SouL)Z(Isadie and SouL)P(Fujikura

SeanBam . Jun 26 2009 18:09. Posts 953

That's really good that you realized that man. IMO those 180 man Turbos are a pure crapshoot, but then again I've never really played a ton of them to really know. I was fooling around with HU SNG's for a bit, and they're fairly profitable, and I think they really improved my game. You might want to take a shot at that.

Cooper83 . Jun 26 2009 18:38. Posts 288

GL with the SNG's probably the best way to go, I personally find it much more frustrating to get AA cracked by K/Q close to the money in a tourney just because it's such a large waste of time at that point.

ToTehEastSide United States. Jun 26 2009 19:10. Posts 1337

and the conclusion is:
chewtits
everytime!

fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity

joLin United States. Jun 26 2009 19:46. Posts 3818

yea 20 bi really is not enough.

YoUr_KiLLeR @ TL

nolan Ireland. Jun 26 2009 19:47. Posts 6205

well done

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Elite00 United States. Jun 26 2009 19:48. Posts 683

Maybe it's because in tournaments the chips themselves don't have any real value so it's easier to lose them?

I feel this way when I play live lol, I once punted off like a whole stack at NL200 live (20 buy ins for me online haha) on a retarded bluff just because the chips felt like they meant nothing to me.

Well good luck in the future man

Chewits United Kingdom. Jun 27 2009 16:20. Posts 2539

Yeah I agree Elite. In tournaments you dont feel the monetary value of the chips, and you focus more as using the chips as a tool. I think it really is just down to having a comfortable bankroll as said. if I had a 100 BI bankroll for cash games, I think it would be so so much easier. Infact, in the new Small Stakes book that came out there last week, they emphasize that really a 100 BI bankroll is a pretty good figure to be able to play poker effectively, utilising a LAG playstyle. its not exact, but its a good ballpark.

Also, if you have not got the book, i highly recommend it. Its Small Stakes No Limit Hold'em by Ed Miller, Sunny Mehta & Matt Flynn.

I am a degen. Do not believe in any of my advice.