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NewbSaibot United States. May 03 2009 00:18. Posts 4948

So I decided to embark on a little experiment in curiosity, exploring villains' true range. I frequently get tilted at the situations I encounter, and feel I often have no idea wtf villain has. The only times I get to see are when we are stacking off or other typical showdown scenario's. But this has not been enough for me. I really really wanted to know what cards people are playing. So I gave myself a superuser account and simply elected to check/call all rivers if I had the nuts. If I was an obvious dog well then I folded when appropriate.

What I did was play a 0% AG postflop game. The idea here was using the best hand as insurance to see frequent showdowns. Forget about EV or making money, I need information. No this was not spewy tilt calls like "zomg you hit the flush, CALL". If I had quad aces I was checking flop/turn/river just so I could see what other people were limping, raising, minraising, and betting with.

Basically any hand I would normally bet, I checked. No matter what. Preflop was a different matter. Preflop I made my standard 5xBB open, because I still need to see what people are calling with preflop to better understand their postflop range. I cant learn anything by getting coolered from the blinds if I limp AA preflop.

Holy stromboli this game is weird, at least at MSNL. I would say there were 2 types of plays that I most frequently encountered

1) Massive slowplaying. I.E. players raising preflop and then checking back AA.
2) Massive bluffing. Players bluffing rivers with air was quite common.

I know most players at MSNL are limping damn near any two preflop, but it's how they play later streets that has me most concerned. It seems like everyone is always trying to do something fancy. I figured most players were always drawing out for a gutshot straight or calling off any pair. Maybe thats how it is perceived when you are the aggressor, otherwise what else can they be doing? But if you just check back every hand suddenly these guys have some sort of playbook.

Anyway, the only thing I really learned was that you absolutely positively must have showdown value at MSNL. While you might not be able to bluff fish out of pots, they sure as hell will try to bluff you.

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bye now

edzwoo United States. May 03 2009 02:12. Posts 5911

Wait what? You were playing NL200+ and doing this for real?

ShadowDrgn United States. May 03 2009 02:22. Posts 1156

I think he means microstakes, not midstakes. Confused me too.

NewbSaibot United States. May 03 2009 03:40. Posts 4948

how do you abbreviate micro stakes? uNL like on 2p2?

bye now

lachlan Australia. May 03 2009 03:42. Posts 6991

yea just a tip... normally ppl call micro stakes "µNL"

full ring

chris United States. May 03 2009 04:59. Posts 5509

micro stakes = kiddie games imo.

it keeps it real

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exalted United States. May 03 2009 05:51. Posts 2918

haaa, yeah, MSNL is midstakes nl, should be uNL

exalted from teamliquid :o

PplusAD Germany. May 03 2009 06:08. Posts 7182

hehe , i was confused too

MSNL = most palyers limp any two pf

I was liek wtf
Nobody at NL200 does limp pf as standart play

then i realized he probably means micro stakes
^^

U see what i did there with A8 ? He 4 bets and there we go insta jam A8 : ---booooom -- . hahahaha ( Krantz)

NiTE Croatia. May 03 2009 10:35. Posts 366

damn, and here I was hoping that MSNL sux the same way low stakes suck.

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Uptown . May 03 2009 13:47. Posts 3557

lol i thought this was being done at nl400, but ... guess not.

Half Pot!