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mnj   United States. May 17 2014 18:52. Posts 3848
I fell back to 138 from 145 lbs. It just feels so hard to keep on weight. Eating has become an absolute chore and my jaw is so tired and sore like you've chewed gum for 5 straight days. Been eating ground beef with various vegetables, zucchini, onions, garlic, scallions, shallots, brocoli, cauliflower, snow peas, green beans etc. and i started putting olive oil in my protein shakes and coffee instead of coconut oil on top of taking fish oil and magnesium supplements.

here's a small infographic on olive oil/coconut oil.
http://healthhub.wpengine.netdna-cdn....ds/2013/10/hhko-oo-vs-co-high-fin.jpg

i think the key is that olive oil seems to help more with inflamation similar to fish oil.

i've been looking forward to going to an actual gym with barbells for squats, deadlifts and bench. i've been working out in an apartment home gym with just dumbbells. while i think there are benefits to dumbbells , for instance balance and making sure each arm or leg is working to lift weights (u can also do different weights like a 30 and 35 in your left/right hand for chest press), i think the load factor of barbells help more for building muscle.

this is strictly anecdotal but i think barbells stress your entire body in terms of both muscular and skeletal structure and because of that puts your body in a much more anabolic mode and builds both muscle and bone. i used to have knee pain back in highschool when i was playing tennis like 4-5 hours a day. much later in college i started squatting like it cured cancer and was astonished to find that my knee pain disappeared . i think with dumbbells you are more strictly targeting the muscles but without the benefits of loading or stressing your entire body. i think longrun with a "denser" skeletal structure, one is able to put on more muscle.

something i forgot about gyms, was how rampant broscience is. i just want to say that back in undergrad because of a few friends, i blindly followed "leangains" or intermittent fasting. i was always skeptical but when all your roommates are working out on empty stomachs it's hard not to follow. i think one of the best models or life frameworks when questioning bullshitty claims is an evolutionary approach.

insert skeptical african child: so you're telling me you're going to get even bigger gains when working out on an empty stomach?

so i eventually read the entire pdf of "eat stop eat" and started to check every citation. some of the ones i still remember was a piece that read something along the lines of "working out fasted provides even bigger gains" and the citation read something like "strength training while fasted does not lead to muscle loss". so the author basically mis interpreted the citation; just because it's not negative doesn't mean it's positive. it can be zero. also the very next paragraph stated that working out in a fasted state decreased the ability to perform isometric, eccentric, concentric exercises.

i still think there might be advantages in leangains but that they are mostly fat related or diet related.

anyways if you're serious about working out and are just starting or a beginner, tune out all the bullshit. there are better things to do than discuss if jizzing reduces the ability to lift more weight (lets be real it does). just pick up the heaviest weight you can sensibly lift (good form) and shoot for 20 reps total however you want to split it. stick with squats, deadlits and bench press in that order.

google mark rippetoe youtube for videos on correct form.

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Highcard   Canada. May 18 2014 08:30. Posts 5428

it is not hard to clean bulk. you are filling up on too many veggies

I have learned from poker that being at the table is not a grind, the grind is living and poker is how I pass the time 

Highcard   Canada. May 18 2014 08:42. Posts 5428

1 avocado ~350 cal
1 serving almonds ~300 cal
2 tbls pure peanut butter ~220 cal

eat plain greek yogurt + blackberry/raspberry/blue/strawberry + shaved coconut + pure cocoa powder + cinnamon + some table cream or halfnhalf = idk 400-500 cal

blend veggie or v8 juice = ~40cal

that 1 meal is like 1300-1400 cal and if you add 2 slices of bread/toast + butter to the peanut butter = +~300 cal

1600-1700 cal. add 2 eggs + 160cal for more protein = 1760-1860 cal so easy to gain weight

There is no such thing as fast metabolisms or slow ones. The daily difference is like +/- 200 cal a day between metabolisms. You have had a consistent under eating diet for no gains

I forgot, also eat very dark chocolate, 72% dark. a few bites/chunks = + 220 cal

Dark chocolate will sub in any desire for sweets, you won't ever feel the urge to binge candy or shit sugar laced milk chocolate. Every time you crave sugar, eat some dark chocolate and/or almonds and/or pure peanut butter

I have learned from poker that being at the table is not a grind, the grind is living and poker is how I pass the timeLast edit: 18/05/2014 08:57

Highcard   Canada. May 18 2014 08:49. Posts 5428

that meal has all the fats, potassium/salt balance, anti-inflammation shit, fiber, protein, nutrients. It is that easy.

(Add chia seeds to the yogurt or veggie blend for quality fiber/fats + a few extra cals, too.)

I have learned from poker that being at the table is not a grind, the grind is living and poker is how I pass the timeLast edit: 18/05/2014 09:07

MysticJoey   Poland. May 18 2014 10:25. Posts 1430

you cant quit the gym


TheHuHu3   United States. May 18 2014 14:02. Posts 5544

Good post. Leangains, IF, 6 meals / day, etc don't matter as long as you are meeting you caloric intake on a daily, but more importantly, a weekly basis. Meal timing and frequency are no longer the end-all-be-all. I enjoy more of an IF approach to meals because I have an extremely large appetite and I and more sated when I have a large meal or two meals as opposed to small meals throughout the day. Do what works best for you.

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Nitewin   United States. May 18 2014 18:57. Posts 1539

Highcard - What do you eat for protein and carbs? Everything you listed is mostly good sources of healthy fats.


mnj   United States. May 18 2014 19:44. Posts 3848

im assuming the greek yogurt + eggs


k4ir0s   Canada. May 18 2014 21:10. Posts 3476

I've also been trying to bulk up! It's tough because my appetite's so small.. eating food often feels like a chore! I'm currently only eating ~1500 calories, while my goal is to eat 3k+

I'm working towards eventually eating this

3 protein scoop 240
cocoa powder and cinnamin
1L of milk 2% 420
4 tblsp peanutbutter 360
2 banana 180
4 hardboiled eggs 280
2 boiled sweetpotatoes 150
1 tblsp of extravirginoliveoil 120
6 tblsp raw almonds 320
1 big nutrition bar 315
1 small nutrition bar 210

2595 + 1 meal containing meat.

I've also been trying to avoid eating any grains

IDK how some people eat so many eggs every day, it becomes really boring, and I often have to force them down.

Gimme tips if you can

I dont know what a dt drop is. Is it a wrestling move? -OlyLast edit: 18/05/2014 21:18

k4ir0s   Canada. May 18 2014 21:14. Posts 3476


  On May 18 2014 07:42 Highcard wrote:
1 avocado ~350 cal



Hmmm I had no idea avocados were so high in calories. Are they any good by themselves / eating them raw?

I dont know what a dt drop is. Is it a wrestling move? -Oly 

Nitewin   United States. May 18 2014 21:24. Posts 1539

Put some lawrys and ms.dash on your eggs Siracha, onion powder, whatever you like. Makes it very yummy. I chop my avocados in half and salt it, then scoop with a spoon or eat it barbarian style. Do ppl cook avocados?


You can scramble eggs to make it easier to eat instead of hard boiling. Google egg recipes, there's one made with a muffin pan. You break eggs in em, put cheese spinach, and mushrooms for little omelet muffins.

 Last edit: 18/05/2014 21:25

k4ir0s   Canada. May 18 2014 21:35. Posts 3476


  On May 18 2014 20:24 Nitewin wrote:
, there's one made with a muffin pan. You break eggs in em, put cheese spinach, and mushrooms for little omelet muffins.



Sounds delicious. def gonna try this

I dont know what a dt drop is. Is it a wrestling move? -Oly 

dogmeat   Czech Republic. May 18 2014 21:44. Posts 6374


  On May 18 2014 20:10 k4ir0s wrote:
I've also been trying to bulk up! It's tough because my appetite's so small.. eating food often feels like a chore! I'm currently only eating ~1500 calories, while my goal is to eat 3k+

I'm working towards eventually eating this

3 protein scoop 240
cocoa powder and cinnamin
1L of milk 2% 420
4 tblsp peanutbutter 360
2 banana 180
4 hardboiled eggs 280
2 boiled sweetpotatoes 150
1 tblsp of extravirginoliveoil 120
6 tblsp raw almonds 320
1 big nutrition bar 315
1 small nutrition bar 210

2595 + 1 meal containing meat.

I've also been trying to avoid eating any grains

IDK how some people eat so many eggs every day, it becomes really boring, and I often have to force them down.

Gimme tips if you can



what is this?





wheres meat? get rid of these stupid protein bars and probably switch milk for buttermilk or something similar


something like
30g whey, 150g oats
200g chicken, 150g rice
postworkout 30g whey, 50g maltodextrin
200g chickn, 150g rice
250g cottage cheese, 50+g peanutbutter, jelly
+some nuts and bananas

3k kcal ez

ban baal 

GoTuNk   Chile. May 18 2014 22:33. Posts 2860

you ppl love to overcomplicate this

I eat 2-3 meals a day + postworkout

eat protein/fat meals trough day (meat, eggs, and some more meat :d)
carbs post workout+at night

I hate fucking chicken but that is just me


k4ir0s   Canada. May 18 2014 22:44. Posts 3476


  On May 18 2014 20:44 dogmeat wrote:
wheres meat?



lol.


  On May 18 2014 20:10 k4ir0s wrote:
2595 + 1 meal containing meat.



wtf is buttermilk? I'm looking at the nutrition chart, and it's almost identical to regular 2% milk, except it has more sodium.

I'd like to eat oats, but I find them troublesome to cook. I bought steelcut oats in the past and found they take forever to cook. Maybe I'll give it another try

Do you eat Cottage Cheese by itself?

These are the nutrition bars, Loco recommended me them awhile back
http://www.iherb.com/Organic-Food-Bar-Omega-3-Flax-12-Bars-68-g-Each/16339
http://www.iherb.com/Organic-Food-Bar-Active-Greens-12-Bars-68-g-Each/16327

I dont know what a dt drop is. Is it a wrestling move? -OlyLast edit: 18/05/2014 22:45

dogmeat   Czech Republic. May 18 2014 23:17. Posts 6374

i obv saw that but decided to ignore it, same for the passage abou avoiding grains (oats are grains obv). you dont cook them, just throw em into water and let them soak up.

real food > supplements,
vegan certified = its amino acid compositon will be shit

ban baal 

mnj   United States. May 19 2014 00:43. Posts 3848

don't drink buttermilk unless you like lemon in your milk! its fucking GROOSSSS. i used to trust you dogmeat

i never knew about soaking oats either. do u soak with JUST water or add acid like lemon juice, vinegar, yogurt?

 Last edit: 19/05/2014 00:47

dogmeat   Czech Republic. May 19 2014 01:05. Posts 6374

we are talking about oat flakes right? just water and a bit of jelly, mostly just water coz i m lazy and dont care

ban baal 

LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. May 19 2014 03:03. Posts 15163


  On May 18 2014 23:43 mnj wrote:
don't drink buttermilk unless you like lemon in your milk! its fucking GROOSSSS.


Well f

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LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. May 19 2014 03:05. Posts 15163


  On May 18 2014 21:44 k4ir0s wrote:
Show nested quote +



lol.


  On May 18 2014 20:10 k4ir0s wrote:
2595 + 1 meal containing meat.


I'd like to eat oats, but I find them troublesome to cook. I bought steelcut oats in the past and found they take forever to cook. Maybe I'll give it another try



microwave with water in 3 minutes.

I started to be sick of them in the morning so I once tried mixing in Ketchup - it's actually pretty damn good :D
or with plain bananas also nice.

speaking of microwave - I microwave my potatoes and frozen veg+eggs now screw cooking :D

93% Sure! Last edit: 19/05/2014 03:10

 
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