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K40Cheddar   United States. Jan 14 2013 01:07. Posts 2202
Hello everybody,

Just started a fresh account on lock poker and played a bit this week for fun. Most of the players seem pretty bad and haven't had that many problems. Missed the challenge and logic of poker and wanted to get back into it again. So I was looking over my HEM stats and then I noticed this.



Wtf is this. 8 BI of rake in 6.3k hands? That's less than losing a buy-in to rake per 1000 hands. Unreal.

Not that I care that much about the money, but losing that much to rake makes me feel like you have to be a seriously rock solid and good player if you want any chance to be beating this in the long run. It's not like I even have to be slightly better than everyone else. It's almost as if I have to be at 100% all the time and be making 0 mistakes in order to profit.

Immediately went around looking for a rakeback deal on this. Found a deal at raketherake for like 36% dealt rakeback and a 10% point conversion into cash exchange. If I could get even a piece of what I've been losing back I'd be happy.

Anyone know what stake levels the rake starts becoming semi reasonable? (if at all?)

TL;DR

-Got account on lock poker
-playing again for the fun/challenge
-people suck
-rake is huge
-looked around for rakeback
-does it get better?

Thanks for reading.

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devon06atX   Canada. Jan 14 2013 01:24. Posts 5458

I only play on pokerstars, and recently did a rebuild from 50$. Only at ~16/25nl now, but strangely enough - my rake to profit ratio at the lowest stakes was way way lower than it is at the current. I expect this to be the norm until nl100.

With your experience and understanding of the game, you should be able to absolutely smash these stakes. 1000 hands? Win a couple buy-ins imo. As for getting better, I've heard that it gets better at 200nl'sh. I've never been a reg at those games, so I dunno. I try not to look into rake anyway, same as I try not to give a flying shit about EV graphs. Fuck ev graphs.

Just monsterfuck them, and you'll be fine.


Highcard   Canada. Jan 14 2013 01:43. Posts 5428

women

I have learned from poker that being at the table is not a grind, the grind is living and poker is how I pass the time 

Arirang   Canada. Jan 14 2013 04:23. Posts 1673

ya well rake is synonym for rape bro

u ever play path of exile? there's a mob called hailrake aka hailrape, same thing really, holy fuq she fukin rapes

 Last edit: 14/01/2013 04:24

Enigma   Canada. Jan 14 2013 05:42. Posts 158

Thats what I was thinking too Highcard.


LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Jan 14 2013 06:55. Posts 15163

you either have to table select hardcore when masstabling or cut to 2 to 4 tables and destroy regs to beat rake and move up fast.

93% Sure!  

devon06atX   Canada. Jan 14 2013 10:18. Posts 5458


  On January 14 2013 05:55 LemOn[5thF] wrote:
you either have to table select hardcore when masstabling or cut to 2 to 4 tables and destroy regs to beat rake and move up fast.

wut. table select 'hardcore'? at nl5? or even nl50 for that matter. wtf is going on in this world, I feel like I'm missing something.


LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Jan 14 2013 12:41. Posts 15163

looks like you are, the rake is a huge factor there is noway u can be a reg in those games and turn profit with 5 other regs at the table when you multitable.

93% Sure!  

Rinny   United States. Jan 14 2013 12:42. Posts 600

i took a break from playing to focus on school but read alot of theory watched a bunch of videos and since coming back my winrate went from breakeven to 3.68 bb/100 (only 20k hand sample). I think basic table selection has a lot to do with it, i tag all the regs orange and since carbon always has < 30 tables of 4nl 6max i can go through all the tables pretty much and find the 6 best. Even doing that alot of the time i have 2-3 regs at my tables because if your going to play 16-20 tables your going to be sitting at pretty much every table.

 Last edit: 14/01/2013 12:43

NewbSaibot   United States. Jan 14 2013 14:20. Posts 4943

Oh yeah dude micro rake is fucked up. I just crossed the 10k hand threshold of PLO4 and have paid $150 in rake. Thats about 40 BI's in rake at 10k hands. I've been breakeven as a result the entire time, just using it as opportunity to practice PLO. If I were crushing at 10-20BB it'd be beatable I guess, but I'm still learning.

bye now 

taco   Iceland. Jan 14 2013 16:04. Posts 1793



Raaake.


devon06atX   Canada. Jan 14 2013 20:11. Posts 5458


  On January 14 2013 11:42 Rinny wrote:
i took a break from playing to focus on school but read alot of theory watched a bunch of videos and since coming back my winrate went from breakeven to 3.68 bb/100 (only 20k hand sample). I think basic table selection has a lot to do with it, i tag all the regs orange and since carbon always has < 30 tables of 4nl 6max i can go through all the tables pretty much and find the 6 best. Even doing that alot of the time i have 2-3 regs at my tables because if your going to play 16-20 tables your going to be sitting at pretty much every table.


This. I think of them as road-bumps.

edit - and yeah lemon, I agree about the playing a table full of the tougher regs. I usually just go by avg. vpip.. if it's in the red, tight as fuck, I'll move on. Otherwise, sweet. Regs are fun to fuck with too, ya know?

 Last edit: 14/01/2013 20:19

Mariuslol   Norway. Jan 15 2013 04:24. Posts 4742

rake bake


GoTuNk   Chile. Jan 15 2013 13:13. Posts 2860

just table select a bit, if u can't beat nl4 by real 15bb/100 or more (so 5bb/100 with rb) you are gonna have a bad time later anyway


 



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