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Kapol   Poland. May 28 2012 12:40. Posts 4696
Hey,

I'm thinking really hard about buying a couple of books which I mind find interesting:

Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance (Robert Pirsig)
The God Delusion (R. Dawkins)
The Greatest Show on Earth: The Evidence for Evolution (R. Dawkins)

Anyone had some experience with these titles? I'm especially interested in thoughts about the second one, since if it's just some random hatred-driven rant about how religion is crap (which, after reading up about it, appears to might be), then I could give up on checking it out.

Any other particular titles regarding religion/cosmology/philosophy that you recommend?



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DustySwedeDude   Sweden. May 28 2012 13:12. Posts 8623

My gf liked The God Delusion but she doesn't like religion.


RiKD    United States. May 28 2012 13:30. Posts 8442

i started with all the books like that and they are ok sometimes but a waste long term imo

if you are still in a decent university i'd start with highly regarded philosophy courses/professors that are heavy in recitation/discussion.

if not, you just gotta get your hands dirty but i would recommend starting with the classics.

actually, there is a free course on academic earth/youtube called "justice" taught by michael sandberg (or something like that) at harvard. i thought it was a fantastic introduction to ethics as well as philosophy and how it should be taught and the world would be a better place if everyone took that course.

apart from that i wish i had access/time to an exceptional university but i don't so just went w/ the classics and read them. they are not easy reads but luckily there are such things as google and wikipedia. also, i found if something didn't make sense or i questioned something one of the others would basically answer it or make it less foggy.

sartre
kant
dyostoevsky

are 3 i would heavily recommend

socrates
tolstoy

i dunno w/e. just find something you like is probably most important and you can't go wrong w/ any of the classics.


Mariuslol   Norway. May 28 2012 13:40. Posts 4742


Instead of reading the books you wrote up there, youtube Dawkins and Hitchens, and enjoy yourself for a few hours. I think rather hunt, track down some more brainy type of books xD


Syntax   United States. May 28 2012 13:43. Posts 4415

the god delusion is a great book, i've read that one

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superfashion   United States. May 28 2012 13:58. Posts 918

anything by dawkins is a slam dunk

the god delusion isn't driven by hatred; it's driven by statistics and logic

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Stroggoz   New Zealand. May 28 2012 14:24. Posts 5290

i've listened to noam chomsky for many many hours on youtube. The guy speaks sooooo logically and unassuming. He is good at revealing how bias people can be in a convo with pretty much anyone.

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DustySwedeDude   Sweden. May 28 2012 14:40. Posts 8623


  On May 28 2012 12:30 RiKD wrote:
i started with all the books like that and they are ok sometimes but a waste long term imo

if you are still in a decent university i'd start with highly regarded philosophy courses/professors that are heavy in recitation/discussion.

if not, you just gotta get your hands dirty but i would recommend starting with the classics.

actually, there is a free course on academic earth/youtube called "justice" taught by michael sandberg (or something like that) at harvard. i thought it was a fantastic introduction to ethics as well as philosophy and how it should be taught and the world would be a better place if everyone took that course.

apart from that i wish i had access/time to an exceptional university but i don't so just went w/ the classics and read them. they are not easy reads but luckily there are such things as google and wikipedia. also, i found if something didn't make sense or i questioned something one of the others would basically answer it or make it less foggy.

sartre
kant
dyostoevsky

are 3 i would heavily recommend

socrates
tolstoy

i dunno w/e. just find something you like is probably most important and you can't go wrong w/ any of the classics.



I find that selection of people weird. I can't imagine Kant and Sartre agreeing on very much and except for Socrates the other two are mostly known for their novels rather then ideas. Also I kind of feel that Socrates is slightly overrated (I much prefer Aristotle) but that's probably a matter of taste.


def_jammer   Germany. May 28 2012 15:33. Posts 1227

Dont hesitate to spend money on books you'll always be wiser afterwards


auffenpuffer   Finland. May 29 2012 13:28. Posts 1429


  Anyone had some experience with these titles? I'm especially interested in thoughts about the second one, since if it's just some random hatred-driven rant about how religion is crap (which, after reading up about it, appears to might be), then I could give up on checking it out.



IMO it's ok read, and covers a wide range of issues around religion. There are some things I don't like about it, but it certainly is no hatred-driven rant (like Hitchens book for example is).



In general classics of philosophy tend to not be interesting for beginners (most are incomprehensible too). Instead I strongly recommend introduction books, which usually are interesting and also give an idea of what's up in that specific field right now (whereas classics give you an idea of what was up 200 or 2000 years ago).

If you are interested in philosophy I recommend stanford encyclopedia of philosophy. http://plato.stanford.edu/ Whatever issue in philosophy you are interested in you can find an engaging and concise expert article on it. E.g. http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/fictionalism/ http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/economics/ Only drawback is that there aren't many general articles, most are about very specific issues or only present one point of view.

Also there is a very good philosophy study guide at http://www.bris.ac.uk/philosophy/current/undergrad/studyguide/ on which you can find good recommendations for introduction books to read.


fastriffs   United Kingdom. May 29 2012 17:12. Posts 6

Although i like Dawkins and i agree with him, i didnt like his the god delusion, as i remember its simply boring, consists obvious, logical stuff that if youre an intelligent atheist you came up yourself long ago, and boring facts. Didnt go past 1/4 of it. Also written in a way that will annoy any believer that will stop reading it very soon. So i wouldnt recommend it to either believer or not.


2c0ntent   Egypt. May 29 2012 19:29. Posts 1387

bertrand russel's the problems of philosophy seemed like a pretty good intro

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daysare   Poland. May 29 2012 22:34. Posts 670

I don't really like Dawkins and I think it's too optimistic of him to be so sure and present "proofs" that God doesn't exist. Usually his points are not sensible at all (eg. when he tried to say that he's the same as christians with his beliefs, only that he's gone 1 God further).

I like Richard Feynman who also believed there was no God but at least he realised that was just his belief (so maybe agnostic formally speaking but w/e) and that model of the world on which he bases his assumptions might be wrong. I think that is a trully bright approach.


RiKD    United States. May 31 2012 04:06. Posts 8442


  On May 28 2012 13:40 DustySwedeDude wrote:
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I find that selection of people weird. I can't imagine Kant and Sartre agreeing on very much and except for Socrates the other two are mostly known for their novels rather then ideas. Also I kind of feel that Socrates is slightly overrated (I much prefer Aristotle) but that's probably a matter of taste.




in a nutshell:

i'm basically a giant kant fan and always will be. reading his stuff though raised a lot of questions and disagreements. then i read sartre and was like whoa man you have the same questions and disagreements but have thought about them more and write about them exquisitely.

dyostoevsky is kinda like neitsche and sartre before neitsche and sartre, except writes bad ass literature w/ his own stank on it. i listed tolstoy as just another bad ass russian literature writer. i could add pushkin, nabokov, etc.

tbh, i just added socrates cuz it's just what popped into my head at the time.


Graisseux   Canada. Jun 15 2012 16:39. Posts 474

I liked the god delusion, although Dawkins' tendency to extend Darwinism to EVERYTHING annoyed me a little.


 



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