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there are basically infinite combos of AhXhK* or KhXhA*.

when you factor in that he can also have AK9x, AKXX where XX is a flush draw you are dealing with a pretty extraordinary number of hand combos. of course he can have other missed draws too, but saying the queen changes nothing is insane. he could also have KK+straight and feel very confident its good.

On November 26 2011 11:52 MiPwnYa wrote: for checking to be better than betting he has to be 3betting pre w/ all combinations of AKxx and he has to be bluffin all straight completin turns and keep bluffin on most rivers, if you do have that kind of read then you dont need our opinion and you can happily c/c twice then proceed to tell us how you made an awesome hero call in a high stakes live game, but if you ask us to analyze the hand in a vacuum vs a random fish you should expect people to give you the kind of answers that have been given in this thread so far.

first off this is not a "awesome hero call in high stakes game", I didn't post this hand to show how cool I am if I wanted to do that I would've posted a hero call for a 100k+ pot.

At least we're starting to discuss things.

From my knowledge up to that point he would've 3bet all good AKxx hands, KKxx hands.

If you consider that he's betting his entire range on the turn which include hands that beat me, and he's betting that same entire range on the river. Would it be a profitable call vs a fish who is playing 100/0 maybe 10% 3bet?

I didn't want to post an essay on how he played the previous 9 hands, but I suppose it's unfair to post this hand without posting the previous 7-8 hands that allowed me to exclude certain hands from his range when he full potted turn.

On November 26 2011 12:01 Daut wrote: there are basically infinite combos of AhXhK* or KhXhA*. when you factor in that he can also have AK9x, AKXX where XX is a flush draw you are dealing with a pretty extraordinary number of hand combos. of course he can have other missed draws too, but saying the queen changes nothing is insane. he could also have KK+straight and feel very confident its good.

there are infinite combos surely, but would he flat those infinite combos then call turn, then full pot turn.

now there are not so many combos with the reads on the player I gave, agree?

I say he doesn't have AKxx with hearts here because the fish up to this point was not showing the willingness to semi-bluff when he had a drawing hand.

I think his range is very polarized here once he full pots turn, which is why I check/called vs bet/calling.

once I called the turn, the river doesn't really change anything since not many combinations of AKxx get there and if I was beat by KQxx I'm paying off.

lots of good posts, i wish i had a clue on hwo to play this game

On November 26 2011 12:10 kaboom wrote: If you consider that he's betting his entire range on the turn which include hands that beat me, and he's betting that same entire range on the river. Would it be a profitable call vs a fish who is playing 100/0 maybe 10% 3bet?

With that kind of read of course cc turn riv is the best line we can use but you know thats not how our average fish plays, theres not point in asking us if you dont tell us the reads you got on villain

I didn't want to post an essay on how he played the previous 9 hands, but I suppose it's unfair to post this hand without posting the previous 7-8 hands that allowed me to exclude certain hands from his range when he full potted turn.

Thats pretty much my point. Thanks for acknowledging it at least.

Kind of dis-interested with poker lately, so was lazy with the initial post.

+ the bad comments in the start didn't encourage me to really post anything insightful.

FWIW, I called he showed JT9x.

I was kinda curious about how it's +EV to play a range of every single hand we're dealt against a range of every single hand they're dealt. It seems like PLO isn't that kind of game where you can just outplay someone by betting at them OOP. I play much smaller stakes than you do, though, and none of that opening a trash hand into a full table of idiots who call with everything made sense to me. I also didn't think checking a straight was good on the turn, what was the idea there?

Sorry to necro a thread from last year but I'm really into PLO atm, there's a really juicy live game near me for the stakes I play.

On November 27 2011 07:51 kaboom wrote: Kind of dis-interested with poker lately, so was lazy with the initial post. + the bad comments in the start didn't encourage me to really post anything insightful. FWIW, I called he showed JT9x.

you do understand check/call to hope chop is a -EV play right?

On January 03 2012 18:47 sunnysky7 wrote: Show nested quote + On November 27 2011 07:51 kaboom wrote: Kind of dis-interested with poker lately, so was lazy with the initial post. + the bad comments in the start didn't encourage me to really post anything insightful. FWIW, I called he showed JT9x. you do understand check/call to hope chop is a -EV play right?

???

So your playing every single hand regardless of position, to set up an image?

That seems to go against some very important fundamentals of the game, while not having much benefit considering the way PLO plays.... It's one thing to play semi loose, but crap hands oop in a 9 handed game seems like equity suicide.