Poker bot for sale? - Page 4

On May 17 2010 03:41 kingpowa wrote: There was a guy who made a hu sng bot and get caught (obv bot was winning). He next posted a lot of info on his blog and how he suspected pokerstars was looking for bot (checking volume, hours you play, if your mouse click every time on the same part of a button...). He shared all his info with stars and asked them to hire him in the anti-bot quest. Was quite interesting.

sounds a lot like frank abignail (true story behind the movie catch me if you can)

http://www.liquidpoker.net/poker-foru...Poker_Bots_-_Quality_information.html

here it is.

Just FYI, I assume TheHighFish is the same THF as the contributor to the open source project OpenHoldem. This info probably isn't anything new, but isn't the ebay seller just promising what OpenHoldem already does?

So the scam would be selling an open source project, which is basically as low as it gets.

On May 17 2010 19:11 hallizh wrote: Just FYI, I assume TheHighFish is the same THF as the contributor to the open source project OpenHoldem. This info probably isn't anything new, but isn't the ebay seller just promising what OpenHoldem already does? So the scam would be selling an open source project, which is basically as low as it gets.

No, openholdem, winholdem, and one other that I can't remember the name of are just clients or interfaces. They click the buttons and read the tables. They don't do anything they're not programmed to. The logic behind the actions is what's most important.

On May 18 2010 08:42 jchysk wrote: Show nested quote + On May 17 2010 19:11 hallizh wrote: Just FYI, I assume TheHighFish is the same THF as the contributor to the open source project OpenHoldem. This info probably isn't anything new, but isn't the ebay seller just promising what OpenHoldem already does? So the scam would be selling an open source project, which is basically as low as it gets. No, openholdem, winholdem, and one other that I can't remember the name of are just clients or interfaces. They click the buttons and read the tables. They don't do anything they're not programmed to. The logic behind the actions is what's most important.

Okay, thanks for clarifying jchysk.

http://pokerai.org/pj2/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1
The Guardian, one of the most respected UK newspapers published a recent article on pokerboting, namely, that Pokerbotting ain't illegal. "Does pokerbotting imply that you're breaking the law? The short answer is no." - writes Robert Blincoe after consulting with laywers. Using pokerbot might be a breach of contact of some casinos that has decided to not allow pokerbots, but even on these sites breaching the ToS isn't something desiring special attention. "If breaching T&Cs is a crime, almost everyone's doing it." says the article. The underlying problem here is that cheating in online games is normally defined as business specific, instead of having a common, scientific game theory and computer science based definition of that. Such would clearly separate activities like botting, which does not give unfair advantage from game theory standpoint, from cheating: like collusion or client/server hacking that provides one with such advantage. Not only Brits has developed the most elaborated laws with regard to regulating gambling, but they are also clearly ahead with better educated journalism.

wut

There are two sets of rules. The rules the site gives you as stated in their TOS. It's not illegal to not follow a TOS, they're just allowed to do whatever it says in there, ban you from their site or in the case of a poker room confiscate your funds. Any threats beyond that usually don't have any merit. Second set of rules are those you are restricted to by the software. If there was a button in the middle of your poker table that ended the hand and shipped you the pot but you're not allowed to press it as written in the TOS they could ban you but it wouldn't be illegal. If you modify/hack the software to create such a button then you're breaking more than just a TOS and the room could pursue legal action. Basically what these kind of articles are saying is that if a poker room doesn't want bots on their site, they're the ones that have to design the software to prevent it. A bot that just plays a game doesn't break any of the second set of rules.
It's kind of like when that poker room had a glitch in their blackjack game where you knew when to take insurance or not. The people that quintupled their bankrolls that week didn't do anything illegal and probably didn't violate the TOS either.

On May 18 2010 22:18 Perisie wrote: http://pokerai.org/pj2/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1 The Guardian, one of the most respected UK newspapers published a recent article on pokerboting, namely, that Pokerbotting ain't illegal. "Does pokerbotting imply that you're breaking the law? The short answer is no." - writes Robert Blincoe after consulting with laywers. Using pokerbot might be a breach of contact of some casinos that has decided to not allow pokerbots, but even on these sites breaching the ToS isn't something desiring special attention. "If breaching T&Cs is a crime, almost everyone's doing it." says the article. The underlying problem here is that cheating in online games is normally defined as business specific, instead of having a common, scientific game theory and computer science based definition of that. Such would clearly separate activities like botting, which does not give unfair advantage from game theory standpoint, from cheating: like collusion or client/server hacking that provides one with such advantage. Not only Brits has developed the most elaborated laws with regard to regulating gambling, but they are also clearly ahead with better educated journalism. wut

lol

where do you think will botters unleash their bots? in a site where the traffic isn't that great? ... or a site with a lot of traffic...?

it is much much harder to catch a bot in a site with the most traffic... FTP, stars = botters paradise.

the best part of this is that you can take bad beats and not even spike your heart rate in the slightest. Def worth 25k for that.