NL100 vs turn lead

villain is 13/10 over 900 hands. i dont have any reads relevant to this spot. without a specific read, what do you guys think about just folding to his turn lead here bcuz its almost always a set lol fullring?

and if not, what is your action/plan?

Submitted by : joLin

***** Hand History for Game 17632458312 ***** (Full Tilt)
$100.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, January 15, 09:32:25 ET 2010
Table Goldmine (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Seat 1: JAKESMOM222 ( $114.20 USD )
Seat 2: FluweoB ( $101.55 USD )
Seat 3: aarontt ( $171.10 USD )
Seat 4: willyskiper ( $121.75 USD )
Seat 5: bheiv ( $294.90 USD )
Seat 6: flaiSM ( $20.00 USD )
Seat 7: SunLeeNavy ( $100.00 USD )
Seat 8: Hero ( $124.45 USD )
Seat 9: Tider92 ( $118.10 USD )
FluweoB posts small blind $0.50 USD.
aarontt posts big blind $1.00 USD.

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
willyskiper folds
bheiv calls $1.00 USD
SunLeeNavy calls $1.00 USD
Hero raises $5.50 USD
Tider92 folds
JAKESMOM222 folds
FluweoB folds
aarontt folds
bheiv calls $4.50 USD
SunLeeNavy calls $4.50 USD

Flop (Pot : $18.00)

   
bheiv checks
SunLeeNavy checks
Hero bets $14.00 USD
bheiv folds
SunLeeNavy calls $14.00 USD

Turn (Pot : $46.00)

   
SunLeeNavy bets $25.00 USD

well he's not betting much here could be a blocking bet of some sort...

nvm looked at his ptr and he's from china so yea a set farmer for sure lol

raise the turn and check the river. if he comes back over you can fold.

seriously you cannot fold otherwise it makes you exploitable. try to play a perfect game.

On January 16 2010 02:30 genjix wrote: raise the turn and check the river. if he comes back over you can fold.

wut. that sounds like the worst possible line ever.

and how does folding here make me exploitable? its possible i cbet air here.

yea i'm sure a 13/10 chinese nit is looking to exploit you....

also your line is bad, if you think he is exploiting you + on some kind of draw you might as well get it in while you're ahead and jam the turn. You're just burning money if you raise turn even if its a minraise there will be 140+ in the pot at which point you can't fold the river given the price to call

On January 16 2010 02:30 genjix wrote: raise the turn and check the river. if he comes back over you can fold. seriously you cannot fold otherwise it makes you exploitable. try to play a perfect game.

doing this is far from perfect.

I love Genjix's line.

If this were High Stakes poker and we were 400bb deep

genjix you aren't serial are you?

anyway the fold line sounds fine, but then again I don't play full ring.

oh yeah didnt see... so why did you bet flop so big?

flat turn then. if he flat calls that flop with a set then he sucks

more likely is AJcc KJcc J9cc ...

I would shove it in and be pretty happy about it, if he has a set so be it but its somewhat discounted from being QQ,TT since he limped behind pre and discounted from 44,33 since he didnt raise a pretty drawy flop vs what is almost always a big hand given the action. QTs is an option too but there is only 1 combo of that left and I dont think he would play QTo. On the other hand his line could mean flush draws, especially strong ones like KJ and Tx and Qx of clubs, maybe even 56s but also could be like QJ,KQ,AQ that he chose to play this way for whatever reason.

On January 16 2010 02:54 joLin wrote: and how does folding here make me exploitable? its possible i cbet air here.

explain.

On January 16 2010 09:07 EvilSky wrote: I would shove it in and be pretty happy about it, if he has a set so be it but its somewhat discounted from being QQ,TT since he limped behind pre and discounted from 44,33 since he didnt raise a pretty drawy flop vs what is almost always a big hand given the action. QTs is an option too but there is only 1 combo of that left and I dont think he would play QTo. On the other hand his line could mean flush draws, especially strong ones like KJ and Tx and Qx of clubs, maybe even 56s but also could be like QJ,KQ,AQ that he chose to play this way for whatever reason.

thanks. thats kinda how i felt about it at first, that he would probably raise a set on this board, but then he showed up with a set and i doubted myself.

On January 16 2010 09:56 genjix wrote: Show nested quote + On January 16 2010 02:54 joLin wrote: and how does folding here make me exploitable? its possible i cbet air here. explain.

scenario: hero cbets air on the flop, gets bet into on the turn and hero folds his air.

call and bet the river if he checks normally..
or call if he bets and the board doesn't change.

That is standard, against some opponents a raise on the turn is good if they'll pay you off with just a random Qx hand.

i fold here easy, he either has a set or is trying to fake a set.. him being 13/10 over 900 hands, its much more likely he has a set here, 90% of these 13/10 nits aren't capable of bluffing here. FOLD imo

On January 16 2010 12:11 joLin wrote: Show nested quote + On January 16 2010 09:07 EvilSky wrote: I would shove it in and be pretty happy about it, if he has a set so be it but its somewhat discounted from being QQ,TT since he limped behind pre and discounted from 44,33 since he didnt raise a pretty drawy flop vs what is almost always a big hand given the action. QTs is an option too but there is only 1 combo of that left and I dont think he would play QTo. On the other hand his line could mean flush draws, especially strong ones like KJ and Tx and Qx of clubs, maybe even 56s but also could be like QJ,KQ,AQ that he chose to play this way for whatever reason. thanks. thats kinda how i felt about it at first, that he would probably raise a set on this board, but then he showed up with a set and i doubted myself.

alot of these nl100 fr regs slowplay sets, c/r you with a set here will only fold out what they beat. The guy's 13/10 ffs. He doesn't play QT, QJ, KQ this strong, I doubt he'd even limp those hands and he raises AQ pf. He has 44/33 here 90% of the time

On January 16 2010 14:17 KeyleK_uk wrote: call and bet the river if he checks normally.. or call if he bets and the board doesn't change. That is standard, against some opponents a raise on the turn is good if they'll pay you off with just a random Qx hand.

nonono

this is FR, villain is a nit.

I cant believe all of you are saying shove turn, or call turn/bet river. or even raise turn and fold river
finally a fr thread i could give some advice that I know is right

is this how nits at 100nlFR play sets now? check/call fd flop then lead half pot? looks more like a fd that hit a 10 by the turn to me.


meh limp/call. id prob call a street and see what he does on the river if it bricks tho. folding against 13/10 (typical reg stats) with tptk ip to a half pot lead seems way too weak on a fd flop without any further info. but i do agree raising turn is quite bad. id like to see what he does by the river and prob fold to any 2/3 valuebets tho.

i didnt originally notice stacks/pot size in hand cos was busy. but raise/fold turn is sometimes the best play.

example:
Submitted by : genjix

PokerStars Game #38289737719: Holdem No Limit ($0.25/$0.50 USD) - 2010/01/17 11:24:46 WET [2010/01/17 6:24:46 ET]
Table Metis IV 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: takiati ($50 in chips)
Seat 3: lamp84 ($95.20 in chips)
Seat 4: TakeCareAA ($47.50 in chips)
Seat 5: knoxie_52 ($50 in chips)
Seat 6: cortel1111 ($60.80 in chips)
Seat 7: IveGot0uts ($50 in chips)
Seat 8: Hero ($54.20 in chips)
Seat 9: dragão ($69.85 in chips)
TakeCareAA: posts small blind $0.25
knoxie_52: posts big blind $0.50
WolandPL: sits out

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to Hero
cortel1111: calls $0.50
IveGot0uts: folds
Hero: raises $1.50 to $2
dragão: folds
takiati: folds
lamp84: folds
TakeCareAA: folds
knoxie_52: folds
cortel1111: calls $1.50

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $4.75)

   
cortel1111: checks
Hero: bets $3.50
cortel1111: calls $3.50

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $11.75)

   
cortel1111: bets $4
Hero: raises $9.50 to $13.50
cortel1111: calls $9.50

River (Pot : $38.75)

   
cortel1111: checks
Hero: checks

Showdown
cortel1111: shows (two pair, Aces and Jacks)
Hero: shows (two pair, Aces and Jacks)
cortel1111 collected $18.45 from pot
Hero collected $18.40 from pot

Summary
Total pot $38.75 | Rake $1.90
Board  
Seat 1: takiati folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 3: lamp84 (button) folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 4: TakeCareAA (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: knoxie_52 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: cortel1111 showed and won ($18.45) with two pair, Aces and Jacks
Seat 7: IveGot0uts folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 8: Hero showed and won ($18.40) with two pair, Aces and Jacks
Seat 9: dragão folded before Flop (didnt bet)

It would be a really good play if you folded , without the Ace of Clubs call or raise turn

On January 16 2010 03:01 domyouji wrote: yea i'm sure a 13/10 chinese nit is looking to exploit you....

what's nitty about 13/10? that's normal for FR

i prob flat the turn, and see what he does on the river

i jst dont like raising here since

u fold out everything u beat
if he decides to spazz out a combo draw like jckc and raise allin u fold ur hand
we have position and can limit losses(if ever) with a great hand
u can bluffcatch obv since u underrep ur hand somewhat


raising turn here does make the hand easier to play, but it doesn't necessarily follow that it's the best course of action each time some 13/10 reg uses this line when ur ip and have tptk

He has the set and is betting like half the pot just to be sure he will catch you if you have AQ,overpair,or kind of a draw.If he wants to make a move he will check-shove!With this bet the pot becomes big enough for realy hard fold an the river too.