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5/10/20 Odd spot with huge draw

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JonnyCosMo   United States. Oct 09 2009 13:48. Posts 7292

Playing Palomar's 5/10, game has a mandatory straddle on. I'm in the straddle and cover the table. Young kid raises to $70 in middle position. Passive calling station older guy (little over $4k effective) calls in the CO. Button calls. Both blinds fold, and I defend straddle with Td 8d. Flop comes 9d 6d Qs, I check and the young kid who cbets way too much bets $150. Old guy in CO calls. Button folds. Gets back to me and I make it $575. Young kid folds pretty fast. Passive calling station dude doesnt really waste anytime, as he reaches into his stack and makes the call. Turn comes Ac. I... ?

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Roman    United States. Oct 09 2009 13:50. Posts 590

i flat call flop if i think its really likely im getting flatted here u get into an ugly spot deep OOP too often this way


Roman    United States. Oct 09 2009 13:51. Posts 590

id bet btw cant imagine c/f or c/c being better but maybe


JonnyCosMo   United States. Oct 09 2009 13:51. Posts 7292

The real sick spot is the river. Just wanna know what u guys lean towards in turn decisions.

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JonnyCosMo   United States. Oct 09 2009 13:54. Posts 7292

Yea, calling flop seems a lot better looking back on it

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terrybunny19240   United States. Oct 09 2009 16:14. Posts 13829

soooo common to just reflexively raise flop when you have a combo draw, definitely something to pause and think about every time you flop a combo draw.

obv you know his snap call can indicate a draw and if he is playing a FD it probably dominates you (I'm kinda curious if a diamond hit on rvr lol)

I have an opinion on this hand on most rivers but I am not sure if I'm considered to be stepping out of bounds posting on HS forum anyway (I have played 5/10 live).. anyway I think lots of 3barrels are good depending on if he flats turn or not. Also depends on HOW stationy he is and in what ways..

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NMcNasty    United States. Oct 09 2009 18:02. Posts 2041

yeah I think a lot of rivers would be tricky, but definitely bet turn.


DustySwedeDude   Sweden. Oct 09 2009 18:28. Posts 8623

I bet cause the A is a good card to rep vs stations. Not playing much live but I'd probably bet most rivers with notable exceptions being Q's.


Rekrul   United States. Oct 09 2009 22:04. Posts 3338

station has AQ or Axdd

fuk ur life!

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[vital]Myth    United States. Oct 09 2009 22:10. Posts 12159

i lead flop for under 1/2 pot intending to reraise any action behind, or check/raise much bigger like 1200

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[vital]Myth    United States. Oct 09 2009 22:12. Posts 12159

idea of flatting blowing my mind also. i think in a live game like this there's probably more EV in just jamming for a huge overbet than flatting

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Smuft   Canada. Oct 09 2009 23:24. Posts 633

Young kid cbets too much, passive guy calls to much... lots of dead money in the pot, easiest flop raise of life. As is a good card to barrel on as he folds most 1 pair hands and calls with most drawing hands. Obviously planning to bet most rivers.

On the turn you have 3450 left effective and 1500 in the pot. Bet 1075 on turn and shove 2375 into 3650 on almost any river.

This is kind of fish dependent but I think there is a lot of merit in jamming when you miss and check/calling when you hit. This will be the case when the number of drawing hands that will bluff when checked to is greater than the number of made hands he will pay you off with when you shove yourself - I think this is a good spot to consider this river line.


PoorUser    United States. Oct 10 2009 03:34. Posts 7472

agreed that if he calls the turn you'll probably be happier to not see a diamond river - though if were not convinced were going to check fold the river to a bet when we river a flush then shoving has to be way better

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[vital]Myth    United States. Oct 10 2009 05:21. Posts 12159

also no matter what i do on the flop, i find a way to giggle at some snippet of conversation going on at the table, right as i'm putting down my drink (so that i almost spit out my drink with my laughter)

ultimate display of confidence, plus it makes people laugh and everyone folds when they are laughing

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Rekrul   United States. Oct 10 2009 05:56. Posts 3338

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHkdkl;asdl;fdas
jkl;asdfjkl;da

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Rekrul   United States. Oct 10 2009 05:58. Posts 3338

lol in wsop 5k day 2 i was hungover as fuck

everytime before i raised someone or did anything basically i just did a random eyebrow squint and said 'wut thuh fuk?' then shrugged and raised

worked like a charm, no one going to gamble against the drunk

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PoorUser    United States. Oct 10 2009 07:18. Posts 7472

you need to alter your physical appearance and posture to make it look like you arent even capable of bluffing thennnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn you put the rape on under the radar

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[vital]Myth    United States. Oct 10 2009 08:00. Posts 12159

i think constantly putting bets into the pot after a lot of indecisive hand-gestures, trembling excessively, and releasing a BIG sigh after every correct call is a really good way to convince people that you can't ever bluff. especially if you make a call like...

you raise JJ, someone calls. T22 you bet they call, turn 4 you check they check, river 6 you check, they bet 2/3 pot, you think for a while and flat. they show TX and your hands are shaking so much that you fumble your cards as you try to flip them over. then you go "PHEW" and exhale as you start to rake in the pot

lol nobody will ever think you're bluffing after that

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[vital]Myth    United States. Oct 10 2009 08:01. Posts 12159

you gotta make it look sincere though obv

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JonnyCosMo   United States. Oct 10 2009 16:29. Posts 7292

omg rofl

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Rekrul   United States. Oct 11 2009 04:51. Posts 3338

HAHAHAHAHA VITAL LOOOOOOOOOOOOL

and easy for you to say, pu : (

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PoorUser    United States. Oct 11 2009 06:59. Posts 7472

gotta babyface their lives away

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dahornnn   United Kingdom. Oct 11 2009 13:43. Posts 693

FISTPUMPSHOVE anyriver and jump with joy
hes gotta fold ;o


JonnyCosMo   United States. Oct 12 2009 03:34. Posts 7292

I bet $985 on turn. He tank for about a minute then called. River comes Jd

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JonnyCosMo   United States. Oct 12 2009 03:35. Posts 7292

I shoved river btw... yes?

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Rekrul   United States. Oct 12 2009 18:49. Posts 3338

honestly a better play is to show ur hand then check

ez fold if he shoves

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TimDawg    United States. Oct 13 2009 03:59. Posts 10197

lol this thread is so awesome

maybe you could bet super small/fold to a raise on the river? i really have no clue what i would do

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