Robbed by friend. WTF - Page 7

On May 20 2009 11:34 HeRoS)eNGagE wrote: omg its amazing how we cant trust anyone anymore

if you were trusting people before, you were probably doing it wrong.

deception is about as old as humanity, probably older.

On May 20 2009 17:20 nolan wrote: Show nested quote + On May 20 2009 11:34 HeRoS)eNGagE wrote: omg its amazing how we cant trust anyone anymore if you were trusting people before, you were probably doing it wrong. deception is about as old as humanity, probably older.

Don't be such a sourpuss. Money tends to bring out the worst in people and there are perhaps few people with the strength of character to stay honest in tough times.

To go from this to that you should never trust anyone is going too far. You just have to keep your head together and try to think about what you really know about someone, especially what you know about how they behave in tough situations and what risks you are willing to take for them.

Curious, would you be honest yourself? If yes, then how come you have so little faith in humanity?

it's not low faith in humanity.

it's realism.

i'm quite an optimist, but i'm very protective when it comes to anything concerning money as it is indeed the root of most evil. i wish others felt the same way.

bernie madoff, for example. i'm sure there was at least 100 people who would have vouched for him relentlessly before he got nabbed.

he convinced a boatload of people that he was wealthy and a top notch investor. likewise we see people in the poker community who convince people of the same in a different field, and situations like this arise.

i'm not saying Soah did/didn't scam, just saying that it does happen, and it doesn't look good from here. In fact, I hope that he is scamming, because if he is not then it's possible he is in fact in danger or involved in some dire situation... and there is no price on human life.

There's a couple of things i'd like to say on this matter.

First of all thank you Ket for doing this. Your posts regarding transfers, scams as well as poker players loyalty and integrity in poker have always been valuable to the community. I think there should be a section on LP about how to safely transfer money (not transfer it all in one go), make staking deals and have resourceful articles written on subjects like these to educate poker players regardless of skill and sums of money. Also general guidelines to prop-bets, sports betting escrow even? and maybe a page for tournament % swapping and buying. This will eliminate the threads made to ask the same questions over and over. Mods, this would benefit LP !

I will not speculate on the matter of kidnapping taking place or not. All thats clear to me is something of a nasty nature took place. Where i live (Estonia) Poland has a pretty bad reputation. If something Baal suggested could take place, Poland is definitely not out of the question for me. We have many Polish users and i am sorry if i offended you or your country in any way. I hope one you Polish guys can prove me wrong about the reputation and your policemen. I am not asking anyone to say bad things about their country.

ggplz, we used to talk a while back and i hope you will not take things the wrong way if i say that what you are asking is a stretch at best. You are putting your reputation and name on the line for someone who has dishonored his agreement with Ket and besides that cut contact with everyone including yourself. You are asking everyone to take your word without providing much solid information. I don't like to see you taking fire for the off chance that sOah rivers a miracle and pays the debt, apologises to Ket and gives a reasonable explanation.

There is much controversy regarding sOah. I have never met him, i think i msg-d with him twice. I have no bad blood with him. As a bystander it looks like people are trying to justify his action through what he has been through (kidnapping) and even medicine. This does not give him the right to scam anyone. He has to take responsibility for his actions.

We shouldn't tell people that are/were friends with sOah that they lack judgement because they are not to blame and most likely couldn't see this coming. I would like to agree with bigbb33 that the community deserves to know who this person is to avoid future scams. For example LP hall of shame and danish cardrooms. I strongly agree with ggplz about sOahs family we (besides Ket) should be kept out of it.

I hope we all learned a valuable lesson from this. Ket, i hope things work out for you. I would personally like you to atleast look into taking this a step further. If anything it will set an example that this kind of action will not go unpunished.

On May 20 2009 18:58 cariadon wrote: ggplz, we used to talk a while back and i hope you will not take things the wrong way if i say that what you are asking is a stretch at best. You are putting your reputation and name on the line for someone who has dishonored his agreement with Ket and besides that cut contact with everyone including yourself. You are asking everyone to take your word without providing much solid information. I don't like to see you taking fire for the off chance that sOah rivers a miracle and pays the debt, apologises to Ket and gives a reasonable explanation.

I'm not asking anything and i dont care if LP believe me or not. Thats my account of the guy, you can accept it or ignore it. If anything, my 'reputation' should still have some weight when i post something though. I'm not sitting here with Simon's medical records or pictures/videos of him throwing tantrums so theres not really any 'solid' information to provide beyond what i've seen/heard myself. If there was, i wouldn't be posting anything that could get me in trouble. If sOah pays the debt, i won't take any 'fire' because nothing can happen.

On May 20 2009 15:44 SneakrFreakr wrote: Show nested quote + On May 20 2009 04:14 Zorglub wrote: The "kidnapping" is 99.9% pure bullshit, everything in that story stinks, it was never mentioned any where in the danish media and even a polish guy wouldn't kidnap someone for a lousy 20K. I guess it was all part of his scam. Admin lookup the IP of Alchemik, the "polish" guy who confirms some of the story with his two post and never posted again jesus christ how many times do i have to say that it was even mentioned in the police report on official website of polish police along with the picture of the kidnapper in the handcuffs. and asked a few players from poland and apparently the kidnapper went to prison for this but was recently released

It is amazing that nothing was ever mentioned about this in danish media, that is very weird... also he was recently released, so he was in prison less than a year for kidnapping?

On May 21 2009 13:26 Zorglub wrote: Show nested quote + On May 20 2009 15:44 SneakrFreakr wrote:   On May 20 2009 04:14 Zorglub wrote: The "kidnapping" is 99.9% pure bullshit, everything in that story stinks, it was never mentioned any where in the danish media and even a polish guy wouldn't kidnap someone for a lousy 20K. I guess it was all part of his scam. Admin lookup the IP of Alchemik, the "polish" guy who confirms some of the story with his two post and never posted again jesus christ how many times do i have to say that it was even mentioned in the police report on official website of polish police along with the picture of the kidnapper in the handcuffs. and asked a few players from poland and apparently the kidnapper went to prison for this but was recently released It is amazing that nothing was ever mentioned about this in danish media, that is very weird... also he was recently released, so he was in prison less than a year for kidnapping?

His family tried their best to keep it quiet and out of the news afaik. Pretty sure at the time it was brought up in a thread somewhere.

edit: Just checked, i recieved a PM saying exactly that.

this guy is total sucker

On May 20 2009 18:58 cariadon wrote: There's a couple of things i'd like to say on this matter. First of all thank you Ket for doing this. Your posts regarding transfers, scams as well as poker players loyalty and integrity in poker have always been valuable to the community. I think there should be a section on LP about how to safely transfer money (not transfer it all in one go), make staking deals and have resourceful articles written on subjects like these to educate poker players regardless of skill and sums of money. Also general guidelines to prop-bets, sports betting escrow even? and maybe a page for tournament % swapping and buying. This will eliminate the threads made to ask the same questions over and over. Mods, this would benefit LP ! I will not speculate on the matter of kidnapping taking place or not. All thats clear to me is something of a nasty nature took place. Where i live (Estonia) Poland has a pretty bad reputation. If something Baal suggested could take place, Poland is definitely not out of the question for me. We have many Polish users and i am sorry if i offended you or your country in any way. I hope one you Polish guys can prove me wrong about the reputation and your policemen. I am not asking anyone to say bad things about their country. ggplz, we used to talk a while back and i hope you will not take things the wrong way if i say that what you are asking is a stretch at best. You are putting your reputation and name on the line for someone who has dishonored his agreement with Ket and besides that cut contact with everyone including yourself. You are asking everyone to take your word without providing much solid information. I don't like to see you taking fire for the off chance that sOah rivers a miracle and pays the debt, apologises to Ket and gives a reasonable explanation. There is much controversy regarding sOah. I have never met him, i think i msg-d with him twice. I have no bad blood with him. As a bystander it looks like people are trying to justify his action through what he has been through (kidnapping) and even medicine. This does not give him the right to scam anyone. He has to take responsibility for his actions. We shouldn't tell people that are/were friends with sOah that they lack judgement because they are not to blame and most likely couldn't see this coming. I would like to agree with bigbb33 that the community deserves to know who this person is to avoid future scams. For example LP hall of shame and danish cardrooms. I strongly agree with ggplz about sOahs family we (besides Ket) should be kept out of it. I hope we all learned a valuable lesson from this. Ket, i hope things work out for you. I would personally like you to atleast look into taking this a step further. If anything it will set an example that this kind of action will not go unpunished.

lol are u serious? police helping in a 20 or 50k kidnapping set up?

also what do u mean by bad reputation?