Optimal Strategy for Turbos? (5 minute levels) - Page 3

asdf, is this more or less effective in larger fields and/or slower blinds structures? 180MTTs / 45 Mtts? Turbo/non turbo?

I would guess the lower the stakes the better, as the field would narrow itself easily and you'd double-up once or twice, but would the passive play hurt you in the later stages (when the tables will be full of people with larger stacks?) M'iuno, sweating out my 18-man sngs right now.

i agree with the moderated asdf
in low buyin turbo ($11 and below) I would snap allin qq+ in every situation tho and the few times ive folded JJ it's been bad half the time (like I raise from utg, utg+1 reraises, then another reraise and I fold and they go allin with 99 and ak.)
but being incredibly tight early stage and taking the right spots later is definitely how you succeed in them. I also think that the 10x bb rule becomes more of a 5-6x bb rule cause you definitely have FE with 5xbb.. you even have some with 3x in low buyin, although I guess cause people really suck.
ak I think you really shouldnt be folding vs unknowns in low buyin even though you have a massive edge later, cause it's just so likely that it isnt a flip but that it's a 70/30 for you.. I do fold it but I dont like doing so vs unknowns.

On January 04 2008 01:02 SemPeR wrote: asdf, is this more or less effective in larger fields and/or slower blinds structures? 180MTTs / 45 Mtts? Turbo/non turbo? I would guess the lower the stakes the better, as the field would narrow itself easily and you'd double-up once or twice, but would the passive play hurt you in the later stages (when the tables will be full of people with larger stacks?) M'iuno, sweating out my 18-man sngs right now.

smaller fields, i misunderstood the OP before lol i thought he was talking about single table turbos

but the same idea applies to multitable turbos, just to less of an extreme

I'd really like to see a vids of they are played because I don't really get the concept....
Since I am rather playing cash game I'd like to see some tourney vids anyway... since somehow I kinda suck at mtts.
I am simply playing too nitty....

On December 14 2007 17:53 JYang wrote: uhh i think lower stakes sngs u definitely have a edge playin looser preflop b/c all of the players suck at postflop play if u play 24 table style then feel free to play extra tight

I'm afraid you're wrong here JYang.
Yes they suck at post flop but you don't want to start committing chunks of ur stack (or even any) with fuck all for a spin up situation early (I know ur not saying spin up situation but you don't want to be playing around in pots trying to stack someone and your stack whittling away - for two reasons :

1) When you do finally double up you'll double up for much less when you do (ie 1700 doubling up = 3400 2000 doubling up = 4000)
2) As they knock each other out your 2000 chips are now worth more than what they were when the tournament started.

Ok maybe this post doesn't make much sense but asdf is right.
If you want to know how to play turbo sng's just sharkscope everyone in the high stakes ones - see the ones with the best stats over a decent sample size and watch how they play. - What you'll find is that they play very very similar to what asdf said. (ie fold fold fold fold fold fold fold fold fold fold raise fold fold fold raise fold fold fold fold fold fold fold raise fold fold push fold push push fold fold push push fold push fold fold push push gg).
Although I wouldn't be folding KK (not often QQ)

ALSO the op asked about turbo mtt's.

Basically turbo mtt's are all about ICM. Don't worry about the early stages try and play tight you might get a chance to double up or might not. Then it's just about finding good spots to push hope you get folded to / hold up / outdraw and hope you win.

Donkaments are the ghey.

On December 15 2007 10:39 Joe wrote: Optimal strategy for microstakes SNGs is to Sit Out and wait till you get in the money

OMFG LOL I won second in a 5.50 SNG on PStars late one night because I fell asleep during the second round of blinds. I woke up in the morning and was really confused as to how the nine dollars got there HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

i really appreciate asdf's approach to turbos....

if i think about all the sngs that i've won, albeit a small percentage, it was when i played v v tight early on and allowing the worst donk to come out on top of the variance filter and then winning the game three or two handed against him.

if i only had the discipline to follow this route every time........